COVID update from the front lines

I have to stop reading these threads. Really depressing to see the level of idiocy and denialism running rampant in our population. Your comments mimic many of the comments I hear from friends and family who are nurses and physicians. Stay safe and hopefully you are between vaccination rounds, have been vaccinated or are close.

COVID-19 is more lethal than both the HK ('68) and Asian ('57) flu strains. HIV is entirely different animal as it's not a respiratory virus. "Millions of people dying from disease is actually no big deal"

old_dead_people wrote:

What are your credentials bro? You definitely haven't boned up on your medical history...

You have forgotten numerous pandemics which were more or as deadly as covid worldwide including Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, and AIDS all since the 50's. The Spanish flu would have killed 200 million when you adjust for population and these were largely healthy young people unlike covid with average age of death near 70 and numerous comorbidities in 95% of those deaths.

Blame the left wing media and politicians for fear mongering this for a year. You are swamped because every person that gets the sniffles think they are dying so they go the ER.

C'mon man grow the f up. Everyone is tired of this MSM BS and the covid cult. Nothing you say makes any damn sense.

block1ofmany wrote:

1. How can a heedless person pass it on to an upstanding citizen if that upstanding citizens never comes in contact with them? If the upstanding citizen follows protocol ie washing hands regularly, social distance, mask wearing, how do they become infected? Unless of course they too are acting in a heedless fashion. Maybe this is just a selfish question.

Upstanding citizen has followed CDC guidelines - avoided unnecessary travel, declined invitations to party with neighbors, friends, and family. Cooked and drank at home.

After nearly a YEAR of this behavior, chances are something will happen forcing them out into the world - perhaps even into a hospital. Take for example my recent situation. My youngest child had an emergency and needed medical attention. The waiting room was crowded with coughing, clearly ill people. One person had no mask and spat a LOOGIE on the floor. What should I have done? Stayed home and administered medical attention myself? Eventually, we all have to come into contact with the selfist idiots with no regard for anyone.

2600 bro wrote:

I am surprised I am still shocked when people who have made their entire personality denying reality... continue to deny reality.

One day I will learn.

You can just say you were wrong, bro.... no one keeps score on LRC.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

I agree this overstated. It's not hard to find a medical professional to spread hysteria on this for whatever ideological purpose. Or a troll posing as a professional. They were setting up expansion tents in LA for the flu season just a couple of years ago. Hospitals are designed to run very close to max capacity because it is expensive to operate and if you have a lot of empty beds you lose money.

I have multiple friends and family in the medical profession in California who are dealing with COVID. It is real and no one is denying it. They have different levels of concerns for the virus but across the board, all of them agree that this narrative of the medical system being overrun is flat out not true. I've evaluated the risk myself and I have looked at the toll of the virus and the damage we are doing by our reaction and I think the reaction has been far worse than any gains provided in fighting the virus. Making that calculation is within my right and reasonable.

I am so sick of people like you labeling anyone who will not adhere to your exact narrative of COVID as deniers of facts and science or whatever other terms you use.

HIV caused widespread panic and fear especially among health care workers and claimed 1.7 million lives this year alone. In total estimates average over 30 million dead since the 80's.

Both the HK and Asian flu when adjusted for world population at the time killed more than covid although the estimates are wide and it wasn't as bad in the US. Flu is generally more dangerous for kids than covid.

The 1918 pandemic isn't even in the same ballpark and is a poor comparison but many in the media and on this website persist in using it as the measuring stick when it was over 100 times more deadly in terms of total deaths.

I never said it was no big deal that was you stupid. I just am trying to give you perspective which you seem to lack or purposefully ignore. I understand you want to score drama points but you don't get to make up crap and not expect to get called on it.

block1ofmany wrote:

free shipping with purchase wrote:

[quote]well......... wrote:

I'm also interested in the lack of preparations question given the time available. Whose fault would you say it is?

To mr ER doc,

To lament the horrors of an overcapacity ER during this time of year is a bit misleading. In fact it is such a regular occurrence that ER/ICU have protocol in place for increased capacity for times of increased demand. May I ask how many years have you been doctoring and in how many of those years did you see the demand for ICU admissions set you beyond “capacity”?

This is my 11th winter as an ER doc. This is far beyond typical winter surges. Keep in mind we have unusually terrible winter volume here because droves of old people come here from colder climes. This is a far worse situation than I've ever seen. The patients are getting treated. Things are just moving very slowly.

Depending on the severity of your sons emergency, it is quite possible that it was selfish of you to go out and seek whatever scarce medical resources remain in the midst of this pandemic. The rest of your post suggests you hate the people you share your community with and you blame them for this fact. it is inconceivable that you would be surprised to find “clearly ill” people at an emergency waiting room. As for the man who spat, assess whether or not he is someone you could confront in a civilized manor without matters escalating into violence, and if not, notify the staff.

Of course, it's not a "selfish question," it's a purposely stupid/ignorant question (go figure why so many now like to feign stupidity). If your life depended on it, you'd VERY quickly identify all of the "responsible" people who could (and constantly do) come in unavoidable contact with irresponsible people. The Trumpster bubble doesn't exist (unfortunately), and you know it. No one is impressed by your feigned ignorance or bluster.

Similarly, if you were taking a reading comprehension test where failure equaled death, you wouldn't come within a light year of claiming that the writer expressed "hate" for his community members. But you say it anyway.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

I've evaluated the risk myself and I have looked at the toll of the virus and the damage we are doing by our reaction and I think the reaction has been far worse than any gains provided in fighting the virus. Making that calculation is within my right and reasonable.

When you say "evaluated" and "calculation" do you mean some sort of numerical analysis or is it more of a gut feel?

If the former, your case might be more compelling if you present some coherent summary of your "calculation".

$8,000 a week for a nurse? Why aren't the idiots complaining about price gouging?

free shipping with purchase wrote:

The "blame" here, such as it is, lies with selfish people who refuse to follow basic public health guidance because it slightly inconveniences them.

No. The blame is on the CDC. From the very start Fauci lied to the American people about face masks. He said that A) they are not effective against coronavirus and B) people should stop buying and hoarding them because doctors/nurses really need them. Hello? If face masks are not effective, then why do doctors and nurses really need them?

About half of us immediately saw through this bullsh*t and have been skeptical ever since. And we should be. Once Fauci lost all credibility, Trump should have fired him, in public, with maximum humiliation.

So don't blame the American people for not following along with everything the experts say. The "experts" lied from the start and continue to lie. Each American is left to sift through the news stories and figure out for themselves what is fact, and what is bullsh*t. It's completely understandable if each comes to a different conclusion.

What you should have done is driven to a children's hospital. Even without Covid.

Where do you work? Almost everywhere in the country COVID levels are dropping, not rising. There are a couple exceptions.

Where I am, 9% of hospital capacity (as defined by staffing constraints) is occupied by COVID patients, and dropping. Overall, hospitals are at 86% capacity, not including any surge capacity or children's hospitals / pediatric wards.

Frankly, I'm over the fear-mongering. If hospitals get overwhelmed a la 1918, so be it. None of us are making it out of here alive. Might as well live while we have the chance.

This Fauci just admitted he lied about the percent of people he thinks need vaccinated for herd immunity because he didn't think we were ready to hear such high numbers. The lies continue I can understand being incorrect and him saying we were wrong but lying numerous times one starts to lose credibility.

I feel the same with this BS on needing vaccinated if you've had covid. That is just total BS and they know it. Also the whole continue wearing masks post vaccination if baloney. It may work on the sheeple but I don't trust them at all anymore.

@jack tweeted one number today. 2030. The elites want a full takeover. They'll be billionaires while we wait in line for bread. It's all connected. If Covid-19 goes away, they have another flu strain lined up.

Stop the great reset. Throw away your mask. Surgeon general was correct. Masks do nothing.

arunnerinwa wrote:

What you should have done is driven to a children's hospital. Even without Covid.

He/she never said what type of hospital it was. Sick people can also take their kids to children's hospitals.