Sprintgeezer wrote:
George213 wrote:
Except mid-57 is weaker (or at least less optimized) than 19.00-19.15. The true equivalent would be around 56-flat which is still a long way to go.
Yes, by one way of judging equivalence.
By another, it is the true equivalent.
Btw in your system, what is the 200m equivalent of this new HM WR?
Around 19.5 according to the IAAF table.
It needs to be 400m short for the results not to be ridiculous,no??
Coevett wrote:
Lol, I just pointed out literally an hour ago that AJ would have ran 1:41 in 77/78 if not for a foot injury.
And this is not an outlier - four men broke the WR.
Did you miss the part where I said that Kamworor could have run today's WR a couple of years ago?
Coevett wrote:
You're a terrible coach if you would have no idea if one of your athletes was doping. If you were training somebody the same way for several years and they suddenly made vast improvements and were recovering much quicker from workouts, what would you put it down to? Better sleep?
You show your ignorance. Doping is not used just for direct performance enhancement. It can be used to recover more quickly, to heal more quickly, etc.
You know nothing about my runners. You don't know about their margins for improvement - obviously different for the girl running for 6 months and at 23 5k and the guy with a sub 31 10k at 22.
Coevett wrote:
Abraham Kiptum got busted within a week or two of smashing the WR at Valencia just 2 years ago. The guy who did it today is another Kenyan coached by somebody whose athlete earlier this year was one of the multitude banned in the last year alone, and over 100 in the last decade. Yes you're insane if you think this guy isn't doped.
Kiptum got busted. So if these guys are doping they will get busted. What is your point? I have already pointed it out.
And Canova has just called you out and you don't acknowledge the fact that you have been caught lying for the umpteenth time.
I hope dopers are caught.
I hope you stop spreading lies.
bengel wrote:
It needs to be 400m short for the results not to be ridiculous,no??
200m would do it.
Kandie had already run 58:58, 58:54 and 58:38 before.
And in his previous PR run he beat 2nd place by 1:18
He probably could have run under 58:00 that day with competition and better pacing.
mask off wrote:
low handicapper wrote:
Lol. I don't think some of you running dorks understand golf balls. Pros could use Pinnacle golf balls if they wanted to. I'm pretty sure none want to.
Yeah, I do, and you are right most use Titleist. It's pretty well the same thing though. Tech in both clubs and balls are the biggest factor in pro golf. Fitness levels of the pros are a big factor since Woods.
We just started with shoe tech and this is the primary reason for distance running records. Training methods are the same in running since the 70s -80s, mileage and hard work, no real change.
The ball improvements from. the late 90s to now along with the oversized clubs have let the pros swing like made and still be the ball in play.
There have been noticeable changes in training since. the 70s/80s. Not as huge as the one from the 50s to 60s but still noticeable. Heck even since 2000 to now there have been signficant differences. This is most obvious in the marathon. But it would be pretty hard to ignore that shoes have also changed. The carbon plate is the obvious one but what about just some foam that stresses the legs 5% less and lets you run another 10mpw?
Drugs have been suspect in just about every distance performance for the past 40 years. I expect that it will be for everyone for the next 40 years....
How much do the shoes help elites in a marathon? 1min? more?
Yes good point here!!!
1) Let's take sprint 100 /200/ 400/ and add 800 metres. Imagine 4 guys broke an already strong WR, or IF at almost at every golden league or Worls championship we have World record broken!! World record has always been one of a kind unique performance. And this also in distance running or road running but since a few years everything changed dramatically , almost at every big race a WR has been broken.At the same time in the last few years we had Kenyans runners banned for doping like we have never seen in history of the sport. Now already with this facts someone can do 2+2=4.
But let's go back to sprint .If I want I can have 4 people break a WR!!! How ?? I will push to the limits the use of peds specific for sprint races.. The big problem is that the peds that really improve sprint races or long jump or Throwing event are different from the peds needed to improve in distance running. And MORE DIFFICULT TO HIDE TO ANTIDOPING at least with big dosage needed to improve the performance. It s not a case that many records in those event are still from another era . Where those substances were commonly used.
Then we arrive at EPO era and everything changed forever in distance running.BREAK A WORLD RECORD is NO MORE A UNIQUE OR AN AWESOME PERFORMANCE, OF SOME FREAK OF NATURE GIFTED RUNNER ,BUT IS NOW AN ORDINARY THING IT CAN HAPPEN AT EVERY RACE BY EVERY TOP RUNNER IN THE RACE .
This Epo is more difficult to find and more easy to cover up. You can microdose it and have the benefit for many weeks. IT MAKES YOU TO RUN SMOOTH as I heard some africans runners say.
Bluesky wrote:
IT MAKES YOU TO RUN SMOOTH as I heard some africans runners say.
Of course you did. Of course... How convenient that you did.
2020 perspective wrote:
57:32 is equivalent to a sub 1:40 800, sub 26 10k and sub 2 hour marathon. This is the greatest distance performance we have ever seen. Do I think the shoes are a major catalyst of this? Absolutely
There is no drug testing this year due to Covid. WADA announced it.
Nobody flying out to Africa to do testing and there is no accredited labs in Africa.
The equivalent training that has to be done to run 57:30 half is e.g 20 x 400m at 60-61 sec with about 1 min rest between reps, lactate threshold intervals at 2:45 min/ km (4:26 mile pace) and easy aerobic power runs at about 3:40 min/ km ( 5:53 mile pace).It`s mainly a pace thing!
5t5thh wrote:
bengel wrote:
It needs to be 400m short for the results not to be ridiculous,no??
200m would do it.
Kandie had already run 58:58, 58:54 and 58:38 before.
And in his previous PR run he beat 2nd place by 1:18
He probably could have run under 58:00 that day with competition and better pacing.
side note: last year's 10K/Mara, the 10K was 120m long. idk about the M
Like Coevett, you need to inform yourself about what you write.
Nairobi has, from 2 years, an accreditede lab for antidoping analysis, and I can tell you that the best Kenyans, in Kenya, this year were tested more than in other Countries.
An athlete like Kandie, already able running 4 times under 59 min and silver medal in WCh, of sure was tested some time, maybe after his previous performances.
Kandie's Half Marathon History is phenomenal. Someone should test his lactate threshold... could be amazing physiology.. dude is a machine over the half...-
21 FEB 2020 Ras Al Khaimah Half Marathon, Ras Al Khaimah UAEUAE A F 1. 58:58
05 SEP 2020 Prague 21.1 KM, Praha CZECZE F F 1. 58:38
17 OCT 2020 World Athletics Half Marathon Championships, Gdynia POLPOL GW F 2. 58:54
06 DEC 2020 Medio Maratón Valencia Trinidad Alfonso EDP, Valencia ESPESP A F 1. 57:32
31 AUG 2019 Semi Marathon, Lille FRAFRA E F 1. 59:31
20 OCT 2019 Airtel Delhi Half Marathon, New Delhi INDIND A F 3. 59:33
Armstrong never tested positive either. Assuming the process not corrupt to begin with, EPO doping is extremely hard to catch. The assumption is that every top runner is doping. I mean we have had decades of it in cycling despite biological passports and other initiatives. And the tour races last weeks.
Everyone says that 'widespread doping' (of which there is no evidence) is 'killing the sport,' but no one ever provides a shred of evidence to support that claim. After Lance was caught, the entire generation of Americans he inspired to get into cycling didn't suddenly lose interest in the sport. I think the explosion of popularity we've seen in distance running will have the same durability.
olyrun wrote:
All four are doped? Really. That's the explanation. Or it's all the shoes? When you have athletes of this caliber racing head to to head in optimal conditions these are the results you can get. Give them their due. Just a bunch of white American's criticizing. Stick to bowling.
Take a look at the women's 1500m Olympics 2012. Over half later proved to be dopers never mind the ones that got away with it. Then bear in mind that this is Kenyans we are talking about and there has been virtually no out of competition testing this year.
And yet there are no longer any Americans in serious contention. Meanwhile the UK suddenly emerged. Just like Spain before. Etc.
And out of competition testing will not catch EPO and whatever else has entered the sport. EPO induced performances have a distinct character, athletes from certain teams or nations suddenly making everyone else look like a hobbyist. You can always tell. Just have to admit it. Been a cycling fan my whole life but the sport will never be clean, at best cleanish.
Renato Canova wrote:
Like Coevett, you need to inform yourself about what you write.
Nairobi has, from 2 years, an accreditede lab for antidoping analysis, and I can tell you that the best Kenyans, in Kenya, this year were tested more than in other Countries.
An athlete like Kandie, already able running 4 times under 59 min and silver medal in WCh, of sure was tested some time, maybe after his previous performances.
Barely any out of competition testing this year and despite less competitions the 5,000 10,000 and half marathon records have all gone. You are deluded and it does not matter how many East Africans are busted you still keep defending them and only seeing one blinkered point of view.
More than shoes wrote:
Another doping fest.
Go rain on a parade somewhere else.
Not sure why the “everyone is a doper” crowd still follows the sport and incessantly posts about it. You just crap on every performance.
Go on dyestat and follow junior high kids instead.