Official 2020 Monaco DL Discussion Thread

Semiler wrote:

Mzungu in Iten wrote:

V.Kibet and T.Sein will be the pacemakers.

Sein will only take them through 800m. The second pacer is not the wellknown 1500m runner Vincent Kibet but Vincent Kibet Keter, a young and promising 1500m with a PRs of 1:51 and 3:36. Good youngster but simply not fast enough to take the field through 1000m at 2:18.

I would suggest that you don’t know that, considering he’s listed at 18 years old and ran 3:36 FTW at 17. 2:18.x for 1k isn’t that special assuming Sein does a good job through 800.

One of my predictions looks like a bust—I figured Winny Chebet (3:58 for 7th in the Doha WCs) was moving up to 5k, but she’s listed as the pacer. That’s good news, as she should be quite capable if she’s fit. Knowing that, Eilish McColgan moves up into the prospective top-8.

None of these races matter if everyone isn't drug tested weeks before and immediately afterwards.

Jonathan Gault wrote:

a hanging “except” has attached itself to almost every competition that has been held.

Very poor start to Jon Gault's preview. Does he not realise there's been a ton of streamed international meetings in Europe this summer, none of which had an "except" attached to them?

I'm half kidding and half serious if that makes sense. Yes; Hoppel is no fluke! Is he a world beater....not sure! RE Engels.....yes, he was domestically dominant cuz Centro wasn't in shape and nobody else stepped up.

Quote Post wrote:

None of these races matter if everyone isn't drug tested weeks before and immediately afterwards.

Your mom wasn't tested before or after conceiving you either.

That didn't seem to matter.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Semiler wrote:

Sein will only take them through 800m. The second pacer is not the wellknown 1500m runner Vincent Kibet but Vincent Kibet Keter, a young and promising 1500m with a PRs of 1:51 and 3:36. Good youngster but simply not fast enough to take the field through 1000m at 2:18.

I would suggest that you don’t know that, considering he’s listed at 18 years old and ran 3:36 FTW at 17. 2:18.x for 1k isn’t that special assuming Sein does a good job through 800.

We are taling 2:18.0 and not 2:18.x. 800m 1:46.89 ~= 1000m 2:18 according to the hungarian tables.

With an 800m PB of 1:51 you would not expect a 1000m 2:18. It is of course possible. Even to hang on Sein 1:50 at 800m can be challenging. We will see soon enough.

fasterer wrote:

Quote Post wrote:

None of these races matter if everyone isn't drug tested weeks before and immediately afterwards.

Your mom wasn't tested before or after conceiving you either.

That didn't seem to matter.

Maybe she was. Thanks for adding some levity to this discussion.

For the 1500m, the key to fast times is that Tim or Kejelcha are sufficiently fit to continue pushing when the pacers drop. If they start racing simply to win instead of chasing times, the third lap will be too slow - can't imagine Jakob going up before the last lap.

M800 - Brazier in 1:43.05

M1500 - Tim C in 3:29.91

M5000 - Cheptegei 12:52.00

W1000 - Muir 2:32.90

W5000 - Gidey 14:23

Def could see Kejelcha pushing the pace after the rabbits drop out, but in a second group a la Farah in those Kiprop 3:26/3:27 runs. Tim I think will be a couple meters up on YK and the Inge bro’s going past 1100, but I hope I’m wrong

You are wise, Gidey's gonna gallop away. Only way she can win. But then again, everyone else knows that. Should be interesting.

W5000: Gidey 1st in 14:17

Rowbury gets nice PR of 14:24

M800 Brazier 1st in 1:41.8

M1500 Cheruiyot 3:29.4; Ingebritson 3:29.8; Kejelcha 3:31.6

All this assuming that the steady, uninterrupted training everyone has been doing, plus the ability to taper and rest in exactly the way they want prior to the event, will bode well.

Brazier: 1:43.30

Cheptegei: 12:48.7

Mondo: dominates and gets the World PV belt.

Jonathas: surprises with a DL win

N. Lyles: 19.52

J. Lyles: 19.93

2019_runner wrote:

M800 - Brazier in 1:43.05

M1500 - Tim C in 3:29.91

M5000 - Cheptegei 12:52.00

W1000 - Muir 2:32.90

W5000 - Gidey 14:23

+ M200 - N Lyles 19.83

Semiler wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

I would suggest that you don’t know that, considering he’s listed at 18 years old and ran 3:36 FTW at 17. 2:18.x for 1k isn’t that special assuming Sein does a good job through 800.

We are taling 2:18.0 and not 2:18.x. 800m 1:46.89 ~= 1000m 2:18 according to the hungarian tables.

With an 800m PB of 1:51 you would not expect a 1000m 2:18. It is of course possible. Even to hang on Sein 1:50 at 800m can be challenging. We will see soon enough.

Silly little argument, I know, but his 3:36.27 from last year (age 17) is worth 2:16.2–probably more representative of his ability than the one-off 1:51 in April...we’ll see.

Anyone know of a good place to watch for free?

400 m hurdles: Warholm 47.08

toth wrote:

For the 1500m, the key to fast times is that Tim or Kejelcha are sufficiently fit to continue pushing when the pacers drop. If they start racing simply to win instead of chasing times, the third lap will be too slow - can't imagine Jakob going up before the last lap.

Agreed, and I don’t think Tim or Yomif are near last years fitness level. They are NOT ready to blast a 3rd lap after going out at 3:27 pace.

I also think it’s safe to assume Jakob is the fittest runner in this race after that 2k performance. Will he take control of the race or is he too timid after last years world champs? That’s the difference between sub 3:30 or not. I think he wins regardless - it would be BAD if he does not.

Well, this seems fun enough, so why not?

Pole Vault

Duplantis 5.95

Kendrick 5.90

110m hurdles

Ortego 13.06

Holloway 13.09

Pozzi 13.11

Alkana 13.24

High Jump

Levchenko 1.98

Mahuchikh 1.98

Demireva 1.92

KJT 1.92

Men's 800m

Brazier 1:42.7 (I hope I'm wrong but I don't see him getting an American record here)

Rotich 1:44.1

Tuka 1:44.2

Hoppel 1:44.7

Langford 1:45.4

Triple Jump

Rojas 15.26

Women's 5000m

Gidey 14:16 (runs away from the field after the pacers drop out)

Hassan 14:18

Obiri 14:19

Chepkoech 14:41

Rowbury 14:44

400m hurdles

Warholm 46.82 (scares WR)

Copello 47.96

Vaillant 48.76

Magi 49.23

100m

Ta Lou 11.02

Hobbs 11.05

Luckenkemper 11.11

del Ponte 11.14

Men's 1500m

Cheruiyot 3:29.46

Jakob Ingebrigtsen 3:29.88 (I'm not an Ingebrigtsen fanboy but his 4:50 was pretty impressive)

Kejelcha 3:30.7

Lewandowski 3:31.3

Filip Ingebrigtsen 3:31.5

Wightman 3:32.6

Grice 3:33

Engels 3:35

Women's 400m

Jonathas 50.35

Ersetic 50.88

Irby 50.95

Bol 50.98

Men's 5000m

Cheptegei 12:42

Kimeli 12:55

Crippa 13:04

Krop 13:05

McSweyn 13:11

Wanders 13:16

Men's 200m

Lyles 19.45 (unlikely but why not hope)

Gemili 19.98

Guliyev 20.02

J. Lyles 20.11

Women's 1000m

I honestly have no idea and I don't know what good 1K times are LOL

Kipyegon 2:33.1

Reekie 2:33.3

Muir 2:33.7

Rodgers 2:34.1

Nakaayi 2:34.4

Ennaoui 2:34.8

Nanyondo 2:35.4

Mageean 2:36

Men's 3k Steeple

El Bakkali 7:55

Girma 7:58

Wale 8:02

Bedrani 8:06

Carro 8:09

Bett 8:12

Hughes 8:13

Let's see how far off I can be in about 10 minutes :)

where can i find the meet online? i dont have cable.

thanks for any help!