Will White Lightning run below 9.90 for the 100m?

Sprintgeezer wrote:

And for those who don’t know, Mennea’s 19.72 was at altitude, and he was an admitted test user.

And, as zxcvzxcv says, above, Mennea ran not "on the line" but out of his lane to the inside.

And, the race was a heat in the World University Games, with Primo Nebiolo on the IAAF Council (remember the Giovanni Evangelisti "Bronze Medal" scandal with deliberate mis-measuring of his final leap and Nebiolo (then president of the IAAF) giving his blessing to the result.

Circumstantial evidence? Yes. Was Mennea good? Yes, very good. But probably not legit 19.72 good. So asterisk, and onwards and upwards for GA Lightning.

big_poster wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Thus far, 9.9 and 19.8 are in fact the demonstrated best for white sprinters.

I would also argue that they are essentially the demonstrated best for clean sprinters.

So in your opinion every top sprinter now is on the sauce?

Could be

if boling is clean, then with Jamaica vitamins, he can get close to bolt WR.

once real testing arrived in the carribean, well, there are now zero guys on the podium.

zero.

only Blake broke 10.0 in the last 3 years.

drugs beat pigment.

if you take the west aftica decendents in the americas our of the equation,

you have zero difference in sprinting between the "races".

zero.

in fact, japan probably ranks #1 over the last 20 years, if you negate usa/carib.

you do know the us / carib are drug records in the sprints, all.

clean, probably japan is #1 in sprints, and that would be due to their good food.

10.32 today

paris2024hawk wrote:

10.32 today

Ikr?

10.32 (-0.9)

Pretty bad. The last time I jumped off the Boling train after that SEC final, though, he came back to beat Laird at NCAAs, so that's a lesson not to jump to conclusions.

But....this would seem to prove his mid 6.6x 60 meter indoor results are definitely indicative of limited acceleration abilities which will probably hold him back as a 100 guy.

But, as soon as I say that, he could come back and go sub 10 in good weather and again prove my predictions a faece. So I dunno.

I'll be interested to see what Laird does in his 100m later today.

It's not unusual to drop 0.2ish off your rustbuster season opener over 100 meters by the end if the year. Call this a 10.25 basic, knock off 0.2, and that puts him at 10.05 basic. Initially I had pinned him as a 10.05 guy this year earlier during indoor but I started to buy into hype from that NCAA win and expecting bigger things. But maybe that's what he is this year: a 10.05 basic guy. Still gets him theoretically to a sub 10 this year if he runs that on a +1.0 wind day.

But if Micah is as legit as he looks. Then maybe 10.05 isn't enough to make a race of it. But we still have more to see, so its hard to commit even all that.

It was into a head wind though it's worth about a 10.28

I had predicted a 10.05 season's best , I don't think we'll see a sub10 this season. Terrance laird races at 4:00, don't know what he'll run today but I think we'll see a 10.10 this season for him.

Wait your right that's 10.25 basic

paris2024hawk wrote:

Wait your right that's 10.25 basic

Well, give or take, yeah it's likely around that.

I like your assessments with Laird. I'll stick to the THEORY that Boling could have a wind legal sub 10 available to him, depending on weather. But based on how easily I fall into hype, I could prove to be quite wrong about that.

Although, arguably anyone around 10.10 basic and under can ride some level LEGAL wind to a sub 10 if they are lucky and clutch. But its certainly no guarantee.

I guess Bolings starting ability legit sucks. I was hoping he'd fix that through covid....but I guess not.

I don't put too much into anything pre May unless we see some huge improvement.

This was pretty much a nothing.

Just slow down guy with all these crazy predictions, ok? Give things some time.

Test

There is nothing special about Boling—no insane fast turnover, no huge stride, no explosive blocks, no insane transition, no deep drive on the first 3 strides, no smooth-cycling SE—nothing. He is a an overall well-balanced sprinter. If he is clean, IMO he is very, very close to his max.

Start mechanic can be taught, but it takes specific weight work and muscular development to get the form right, if it doesn’t come naturally—and for Boling, it mos def does not come naturally.

Referring to white guys,CL had/has something special—a huge stride. Without that stride length, he is not the same guy. That one extreme quality made him stand out.

Fahnbulleh is CL2.0–in fact he may be more extreme, what a diesel. ZERO start. Super-interesting to see how he develops.

My guy Matadi did well today, great opener.

Boling is very nice, but it’s hard for me to see which sprinting quality he can improve to greatness to get him over the top. Maybe relaxation, to give him epic SE. IDK

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Regarding Boling, I see nothing that indicates the promise of 9.8x. That might change, but he needs to show very specific improvements.

Agreed.

What time did Laird run for his 100? I can't find it anywhere.

Boling's time today was on a wet track with drizzling rain. He will run faster. I won't make a prediction by how much, but he should be able to go faster.

NYDCRunner1 wrote:

What time did Laird run for his 100? I can't find it anywhere.

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