Jakob Ingebrintsen has no road to Olympic victory

bengel wrote:

I am looking forward to reading this thread in a decade from now.

Tell me if you’ve heard any of these names before: Milkesa Mengesha, Tadese Worku, Oscar Chelimo, Leonard Bett, tsegay kidanu, hosea kiplangat, Edwin bett, samwel Masai, Samuel kibet, Gebregewergs Teklay, Dinkalem ayele, George Manangoi, Edward Pingua, Stanley Mburu.

No? All these guys have beaten Jakob in u20 but can’t compete in international completion like Track championships or Olympics because Kenya Ethiopia and Uganda are filled with runners that are extremely fast that no one has heard before. Wale who got 4th in Doha in steeplechase is a junior who could become an excellent 5k runner. Takele Nigate is also a junior steeplechaser who ran 8:09 in Monaco last year. Not to mention Rhonex Kipruto and Selemon Barega who are still juniors. And Kejelcha who is very young as well.

Yeah in a Holly Cross country race Bit Not on track

Oh Please wrote:

"he difference is that Centro had run 3:30, 1:44 the year before the Olympics, and that was after two prior medals in the 1500. And he closed in 50 seconds. Centro has wheels, Jakob at this point is very impressive but just that one notch slower than the top guys with 250m to go."

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Can you please tell me how many times the "well-wheeled" Centro has outsprinted the slower 17-19 years old Jakob. And vice versa?

As far as I can see they have met 7 times starting with Palo Alto 1500m 2018!

Are you man enough to answer?

objectiveobserver wrote:

Oh Please wrote:

"he difference is that Centro had run 3:30, 1:44 the year before the Olympics, and that was after two prior medals in the 1500. And he closed in 50 seconds. Centro has wheels, Jakob at this point is very impressive but just that one notch slower than the top guys with 250m to go."

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Can you please tell me how many times the "well-wheeled" Centro has outsprinted the slower 17-19 years old Jakob. And vice versa?

As far as I can see they have met 7 times starting with Palo Alto 1500m 2018!

Are you man enough to answer?

How many races were as slow as the olympics 2016? None.

It was a race so slow that it was basically a 600m for them, not a 1500m. Is Jakob faster than Centrowitz in a 600m ? Centrowitz is already 2 seconds faster over 800m.

cheesewiz wrote:

"Tell me if you’ve heard any of these names before: Milkesa Mengesha, Tadese Worku, Oscar Chelimo, Leonard Bett, tsegay kidanu, hosea kiplangat, Edwin bett, samwel Masai, Samuel kibet, Gebregewergs Teklay, Dinkalem ayele, George Manangoi, Edward Pingua, Stanley Mburu.

No? All these guys have beaten Jakob in u20 but can’t compete in international completion like Track championships or Olympics because Kenya Ethiopia and Uganda are filled with runners that are extremely fast that no one has heard before. Wale who got 4th in Doha in steeplechase is a junior who could become an excellent 5k runner. Takele Nigate is also a junior steeplechaser who ran 8:09 in Monaco last year. Not to mention Rhonex Kipruto and Selemon Barega who are still juniors. And Kejelcha who is very young as well. "

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No one of the above mentioned runners were -as you say - able to qualify to the WC in the 5000m but be aware that Jakob was unbeaten by any Kenyan 5000m runner last year. Jakob beat the 2 best of them, Kimeli and Rhonex Kipruto, easily in DL London 2019!

No Ugandan joined the 5000m final in Doha to my knowledge!?

George Manangoi is a talented and promising 1500m runner who qualified for the WC in Doha but didn´t progress from the heat. George´s PR is more than one second slower than Jakob´s in the 1500m!

Barega and Kipruto are not juniors any more. Kipruto is 11 month older than Jakob and Barega 8 month older.

It is probaly true that Jakob never will be able to beat the East African lightweighters on an ektreme hilly cross route as the one in Aarhus 2019 but that say nothing about Jakob´s ability to compete with the East Africans on the track.

^Another 19-year-old to worry about: Jacob Krop. Ingebrigtsen had to literally throw himself across the line in the Doha 5000m to beat him by 0.15 seconds.

Saying 'The Olympics don't matter' is delusional. Here in the UK, Mo Farah is a superstar. Easily one of the biggest celebrities in the country. Even 70-year-old grandmas know about Mo's successes in London and Rio. If it weren't for the Olympics, you'd have to be someone with a keen interest in competitive running to have even heard of him.

Oh I’m not saying these guys are currently in the Olympics or anything. I was responding to the guy who was saying Jakob will win if the next 10 years or so are talentless, which they aren’t through all the examples provided

Wouldn't go to the Olympics if you had a spot? Bahaha what fukn bs. Christ almighty the sh!t is getting deep.

Thats what iam thinking all the time. Iam german and was steeplerunner at young age. There was a tremendous competidor who nobody knows here, called Andreas Fischer. He was 16 and broke the german national youth record 1500m steeple 4:12min. I lost always against him and for all of us he was an inhuman alien. Then he became european junior champion with 8:33min when he was 19 in 1988. Ingebrigtsen ran 8:26 with 16! He ran the record time over 1500m steeple of Germany from 1985 nearly two times without a break! Much better than Fischer when he was 19. I was really astonished when i read this.

His Pb in 1500m and 5000m are better than Evan Jagers ones. He should concentrate on 3000steeple and race sometimes over 1500m and 5000m. I thought during the lockdown they will prepare the change. He is tall and heavy, but Bekali is it too. Thats not a problem. Iam dissapointed that he will go for 1500m in hercules Monaco. But he has a long wonderful career ahead of him. Its his decision

He doesn't want to focus completely on a "secondary event" like the steeplechase. For him the 1500 is more prestigious.

I'm guessing this is a troll post but I'll give my POV. Over 5000m you are right - it's difficult to see him winning a global 5000m. I think back to Craig Mottram as good as he was (3.48 mile/7.32/12.55) who no matter what never seemed to have enough leg speed to win anything globally - even the Commonwealth Games 5000m if you considered that global. Jakob just doesn't have the raw leg speed.

The 1500m though is a very different beast as far less predictable. Right now Jakob is only a fraction behind Willis (at his very best) and is better than Manzano - both of whom were Olympic silver medalists and almost certainly Olympic Champions if doping control was actually effective for all runners globally. I certainly don't see him as inferior to Centro either who won an Olympic title in a manor that would have been tailored to Jakob. Even at a younger age if you put him in that position with 400m to go, in that race he walks away with a medal no matter many times you play it out.

Weird things happen in Olympic finals and PR's don't mean much. The amount of times we thought Silas Kiplagat was walking away with a global title when he was at the top of the world rankings (sometimes the very top) from 2010-2015 (1st,2nd,2nd,4th,1st,8th) - what was his return? One silver medal from the world champs in 2011.

Put it this way, next year in Tokyo (if this even happens) and the race doesn't go out in 1.55 he has a chance. To show you how likely this is, consider that since 1956 (as far as I could be bothered going back), only 2 finals have ever gone faster than 1.56.0 through 800m (1968 and 2000) and only 6 finals have gone faster than 2.00 at 800m (1960,68,84,00,08,12). Many finals fall (7) fall into the 2.00-2.06 range at 800m and this doesn't even include the ridiculous 2.16.59 from 2016.

That makes it a speed/strength race - not a kicker race and this suits Jakob to a tee. So he has a path - it's called getting into the final and being in the right place at the right time which, from what I have seen of his tactical awareness, I don't see him having many issues with this.

Alfred wrote:

"How many races were as slow as the olympics 2016? None.

It was a race so slow that it was basically a 600m for them, not a 1500m. Is Jakob faster than Centrowitz in a 600m ? Centrowitz is already 2 seconds faster over 800m."

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Alfred just watch their 7 meetings!

Jakob has beaten Centro over the last 200m (Palo Alto 2018) and over the last 400m (Bowerman mile 2018 and 1500m Monaco 2018). Neither the Palo Alto 1500m nor the Bowerman mile was very fast!

But watch the race videos and come back to comment.

Centro has had a full career to go through 1:45 in the 800m. Jakob ran the 800m for the first in 3 years recently as an early season race. If they should meet in an 800m later this year I have no doubt that Jakob would win.

As YOU probably know Centro has never been able to beat Jakob and it is very unlikely it will happen now where the time is working against Centro and for Jakob.

It’s not necessarily about Hale fast your kick is, but about your positioning in the race. Jakob is young and hasn’t learned good positioning or when to make a move consistently.

Everyone is referencing Rio 2016 1500. Yes Centrowitz has a very strong kick, but the reason he was able to WIN instead of placing 3rd or 4th along with the other good kickers is because he defended the curve and always was the first guy to the turns. Jakob doesn’t run like that and always try’s to come from behind. Very hard to win a gold like that

Thank you, Stichmo. De musset is a clear troll, although he tries to disguise it well. It’s so important that people understand the difference between a “kick” and having speed and strength at the end of a race. Looking just at the numbers is dumb! Just check last years 10000m, Kejelcha the Indoor WR mile holder got out kicked by Cheptegei.

Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:

"I'm guessing this is a troll post but I'll give my POV. Over 5000m you are right - it's difficult to see him winning a global 5000m. I think back to Craig Mottram as good as he was (3.48 mile/7.32/12.55) who no matter what never seemed to have enough leg speed to win anything globally - even the Commonwealth Games 5000m if you considered that global. Jakob just doesn't have the raw leg speed.

The 1500m though is a very different beast as far less predictable. Right now Jakob is only a fraction behind Willis (at his very best) and is better than Manzano - both of whom were Olympic silver medalists and almost certainly Olympic Champions if doping control was actually effective for all runners globally. I certainly don't see him as inferior to Centro either who won an Olympic title in a manor that would have been tailored to Jakob. Even at a younger age if you put him in that position with 400m to go, in that race he walks away with a medal no matter many times you play it out.

Weird things happen in Olympic finals and PR's don't mean much. The amount of times we thought Silas Kiplagat was walking away with a global title when he was at the top of the world rankings (sometimes the very top) from 2010-2015 (1st,2nd,2nd,4th,1st,8th) - what was his return? One silver medal from the world champs in 2011.

Put it this way, next year in Tokyo (if this even happens) and the race doesn't go out in 1.55 he has a chance. To show you how likely this is, consider that since 1956 (as far as I could be bothered going back), only 2 finals have ever gone faster than 1.56.0 through 800m (1968 and 2000) and only 6 finals have gone faster than 2.00 at 800m (1960,68,84,00,08,12). Many finals fall (7) fall into the 2.00-2.06 range at 800m and this doesn't even include the ridiculous 2.16.59 from 2016.

That makes it a speed/strength race - not a kicker race and this suits Jakob to a tee. So he has a path - it's called getting into the final and being in the right place at the right time which, from what I have seen of his tactical awareness, I don't see him having many issues with this.

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It is strange that so many people here consider Jakob a "finished product" predicting his future performances as if he won´t improve from last year (where he was still only 18 in the high season).

In the same time I read on various other threads that the likes of Drew Hunter (age 22), Grant Fisher (22), Cheptegei (23), Kejelcha (22), Shelby Houlihan(27), Karissa Schweizer (24) and even Mo Ahmed (29!) are considered very talented with good room for improvements!?

I don´t disagree that at least the younger of the above mentioned can improve more up in their twenties BUT SO CAN JAKOB!

And everything equal Jakob must have the greatest potential since he is the youngest.

I think that Jakob already has proved that he is one level up from last year and next year he will increase his level further(provided he stays healthy) becoming one of the main contenders for medals in both the 1500m and the 5000m.

As far as I know it is, however, not possible to run both events in the Tokyo Olympics because of the program. So in Tokyo he has to choose if he will run the 1500m OR the 5000m.

Of all the stupid comments about Jakob, this is by far the most stupid of them all.

This thread certainly didn't age well.

He's also flashy- arrogant or cool (depending how you feel about him. Good looking- he's not the stereotypical skinny "nerd" type.

His story is interesting- his family, etc Didn't he have a reality show?