My training goes to absolute ruin if I don't eat meat and eggs

Piano_Man87 wrote:

YMMV wrote:

I eat at least 4-5 eggs/day at 64 and have perfect heart health (CAC = 0, excellent trig/hdl ratio)

To have perfect heart health, you would need to have low LDL, and 4-5 eggs per day is going to give you high LDL.

1968 called and wants their cholesterol theory back.

The primary dietary drivers of heart disease, diabetes and cancer are linoleic acid (plant oils) and carbs. Heart attacks were unknown in western societies until these two components became prevalent, in conjunction with reduction of meat, egg and butterfat consumption.

seattle prattle wrote:

Piano_Man87 wrote:

To have perfect heart health, you would need to have low LDL, and 4-5 eggs per day is going to give you high LDL.

Agreed.. What I've read of reputable nutrition sites is to not eat more than one egg per day on average.

Typically I would have 4 scrambled in the morning. Haven't for past week and I claim that's part of why I've started to feel weak.

Starting to feel better after eating a couple Dick's Deluxes tonight. ?

jamin wrote:

seattle prattle wrote:

Agreed.. What I've read of reputable nutrition sites is to not eat more than one egg per day on average.

Typically I would have 4 scrambled in the morning. Haven't for past week and I claim that's part of why I've started to feel weak.

Starting to feel better after eating a couple Dick's Deluxes tonight. ?

I hear ya.

the recommendations on eggs has changed quite a bit over the last couple of decades, but the current safe recommendation is not more than about an average of one per day, which you could bias by doing 4 eggs at a time but only twice per week.

My son, who is into the bro-nutrition big time plays it a little safe by every day having a couple of eggs cooked up with some liquid egg whites (he says about 3 or 4 servings of that).

Seriously, if it were me, i would not eat 4 eggs a day.

But moving onto the larger issue, if you want a nutritionist answer, it is this: you have to look at your whole diet. There isn't a shortcut. The amounts of fat you are getting, protein, carbs, iron, selenium, magnesium, and other vitamins - a lack of any of them could be causing fatigue or less than optimal health.

There's freakin' easy ways to get meat into your diet, like i said before, and there;s always no-brainers like deli meat, for that matter.

HOw you doing on the alcohol?

I can tell you that that, in and of itself, can make one feel down in general.

Fueling and nutrition is a work in progress. Work on it, it's not so hard, and it pays dividends.

Hey, you want the real deal answer, well here you go.

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try green eggs and ham

https://youtu.be/jdotPwVJYzs

Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:

No spouse/significant other

No children

No pets

No visible outside interests or volunteer commitments

Jamin - for a guy that has a job that he can do from home and that only trains once a day, you certainly seem to have an awfully "complicated" existence full of woe and first world problems.

Pets do not make your life complicated

jamin let me just say that I love how you'll upend your diet because you're too cheap to buy a non-stick pan.

YMMV wrote:

Piano_Man87 wrote:

To have perfect heart health, you would need to have low LDL, and 4-5 eggs per day is going to give you high LDL.

1968 called and wants their cholesterol theory back.

The primary dietary drivers of heart disease, diabetes and cancer are linoleic acid (plant oils) and carbs. Heart attacks were unknown in western societies until these two components became prevalent, in conjunction with reduction of meat, egg and butterfat consumption.

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This is Jim Kiler wrote:

YMMV wrote:

1968 called and wants their cholesterol theory back.

The primary dietary drivers of heart disease, diabetes and cancer are linoleic acid (plant oils) and carbs. Heart attacks were unknown in western societies until these two components became prevalent, in conjunction with reduction of meat, egg and butterfat consumption.

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This.. is incorrect.

Facts:

- High LDL causes more heart attacks. We know this from epidemiological studies, as well as Mendellian Randomization Studies. Basically, people with genetically higher LDL are more likely to die of heart attacks. These are good studies because there is no healthy user bias. You take one group of people with a low LDL gene, and one without, and the low LDL people have fewer heart attacks, and live longer.

- Doctors prescribe statins to lower blood cholesterol, and statins have been shown to reduce blood cholesterol and heart attacks.

- The basis of saying eating cholesterol doesn't matter is from studies that take people eating several eggs per day. Add one more egg per day, and their blood cholesterol doesn't budge. Because they've hit a cholesterol plateau. If you go from 0 to 1 per day, you will see a decent uptick.

Eggs are very nutritious, but have cholesterol and other things making them not great for you. They make people feel good because they are high in protein, nutritious, and dietary cholesterol temporarily raises testosterone. However, eating too much dietary cholesterol causes heart disease over time, which eventually can lead to erectile dysfunction, and poor blood flow in general, which means it is a short term gain, long term pain kind of thing.

Veganism/DIII is a mental disorder

Wow. I guess I've been living wrong, then. I'll jump right on your tofu diet.

Don't even bring up "long term pain," smart guy.

If say I ate 10,20,30,40 etc. eggs per day how long would it take for me to develop a heart attack?

Rhodium Nights wrote:

Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:

No spouse/significant other

No children

No pets

No visible outside interests or volunteer commitments

Jamin - for a guy that has a job that he can do from home and that only trains once a day, you certainly seem to have an awfully "complicated" existence full of woe and first world problems.

Pets do not make your life complicated

Every single person I know that has pets leads a more complicated life than if they didn't, especially with dogs. I am constantly amazed at how dog owners lives are completely controlled by their pets, whether it is less ability to travel or to just be able to go out with co-workers after work. How complicated is your life when you can't even join a group of friends or co-workers on a whim because you have to go home to let the dog out. I really like dogs, but would never own one just because of how complicated it makes your life.

Try having kids.

LowCarbTestRunner wrote:

If say I ate 10,20,30,40 etc. eggs per day how long would it take for me to develop a heart attack?

Not sure but eating 50 in one hour wasn't what killed Cool Hand Luke:

I agree with you, meat always fills me with energy before training and it is a great recharge after training, especially when this meat is made on the fire or on the grill. I love doing a barbecue in the evening with friends, even if I'm tired after a hard workout. I usually set the thermometer at 87 degrees which I purchased recently on the site https://www.bigwigjerky.com.au/australian-bbq-thermometer/ and then the beef turns out to be incredibly juicy and appetizing. If you have at least a small piece of barbecue at home after training then consider that the evening is not lost

I agree with some of the things you say but not everything. For example, I think for most people eggs are OK and as you showed with your test results despite eating four eggs a day you have a good heart health. The jury is still not out 100% on the role of eggs and plaque buildup and you have different schools professing different viewpoints about that. However, I disagree with you about carbs has all the longest living people in the world are primarily carbohydrate consumers both in Present day. Take for example, the Japanese who have the best longevity in the world. Their diet is made up primarily in the form of carbs from white rice with low amounts of protein. They do very well and much better than Americans in general.

Ghost1 wrote:

I agree with some of the things you say but not everything. For example, I think for most people eggs are OK and as you showed with your test results despite eating four eggs a day you have a good heart health. The jury is still not out 100% on the role of eggs and plaque buildup and you have different schools professing different viewpoints about that. However, I disagree with you about carbs has all the longest living people in the world are primarily carbohydrate consumers both in Present day. Take for example, the Japanese who have the best longevity in the world. Their diet is made up primarily in the form of carbs from white rice with low amounts of protein. They do very well and much better than Americans in general.

Myth.

Japan has one of the highest animal-based diets in the world, and increasingly so, unlike the increase in plant-sourced calories in the West, where health and longevity are decining and chronic disease and obesity are increasing. The other variable is seed oils, of which little are consumed in the Asian democracies. Communist China has high seed oil/carb consumption and concomitant increases in diabetes and obesity.