DiscoGary wrote:
Here's my base of facts:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Chew on that for a while.
But great discussion Jeff. No insults at all, and I know what kind of discipline it takes to pull that off. Came kind of close right there at the end though.
That's not an objective source. That's like citing Martin Luther's, "On the Jews and their lies" when commenting on Judaism.
DiscoGary wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:The Qur'an explicitly states that there's to be no compulsion of religion. And I know what you're going to say: no everyone follows that, and you're right. And the Bible also says you're not supposed to murder anyone and yet Bible believing Christians do it daily. Not everyone follows their own rules.
Here's what I don't understand about you: in the 1940s, the Ustase killed over 300,000 Serbs and forcibly converted many thousands more to Catholicism. I don't know how old you are, but if you had been alive then, would you have had the same fear of Catholicism as you do of Islam today? Or would you have understood that the Ustase were a bunch of lunatics and not representative of Catholics as a larger group?
Everyone needs to know what Wigand is doing here. It's basic Moral Equivalence, and it happens a thousand times a day in political discussions. Whenever someone is forced to defend their side on something that's indefensible, they redirect the blame by finding a similar offense committed by the other side, no matter how far back they have to go in history, and then say everyone is morally equivalent because we're ALL guilty of committing the crime so one has the moral authority to judge the indefensible acts they are trying to defend.
The moral equivalence breaks down when we don't accept the premise and refuse to accept blame for a crime committed under our side's name decades or hundreds of years ago. The son should not be made to answer for the sins of the father. Pretty basic stuff.
When we look at the picture as it stands today Islam compels its followers to commit heinous acts around the globe, while no other religion is doing anything near that. That's it. That's what we have to work with today.
The primary problem with moral equivalence is that it makes excuses for the atrocities committed by Muslims while it silences any criticism of it, which is one of the foundations of PC speech codes. If we are not allowed to identify the underlying problem, fundamental Islam in this case, then we will never be able to address the problem. For example, if we think that OUR ACTIONS are causing the murder and butchery coming out of Islam, then we will never put an end to it.
Wigand is either intentionally or unwittingly keeping us from solving the problem, and he is helping to extend the oppression and death caused by the people he thinks he's protecting from bigots.
This is really good stuff. 300 level political science class for sure.
That's evasion. I don't defend individuals or groups of individuals who harm innocent people. I understand that the same way the majority of Muslims don't support ISIS or the Taliban, most Catholics did not support the Ustase.
I'd appreciate an answer to my question.
It's written throughout the Talmud which is the interpretation of the Torah which Jews throughout history studies, abided by and still study.
Donald Trump beats Clinton in a 25K trail run: MAKE AMERICA FAST AGAIN
Trump destroyed Clinton in the Phunt Trail Run.
Donald ran a 2:41:24 and won an age group award, Clinton almost finished last (4:39:13).
Studied, and continue to study.
Coach wrote:
It's written throughout the Talmud which is the interpretation of the Torah which Jews throughout history studies, abided by and still study.
But not in the Torah itself?
Don't know any soldiers or military members who support Obama or Hilary. The Muslim father is a coward and did not have half the courage his son had. Just because your son is a war hero does not make you one.
No, not the Torah itself. The Torah (Leviticus which you cited was written 2600 years ago) and its laws were interpreted by Talmudists and others throughout Jewish history and today. I pointed out yesterday that in 1932 the chief rabbi of Palestine Israel Herzog grappled with the Torah and Talmudic interpretations. He was smart enough to know and stated that killing people should be prohibited. So it would be false to suggest that Jews believe that it's ok to stone someone for sexual acts. He even commented when the messiah comes let him decide (which was a paraphrase used in Talmudic times when a decision couldn't be made regarding interpreting the torah).
Benghazi was GOP-crooked bulls**t. Hillary was the scapegoat. Republicans are pernicious threats to the United States of America.
Kahn forced to take his WEBSITE DOWN! hahahahahaha. Trump destroyed that Muslim biatch!
10'S OF THOUSANDS AT TRUMP RALLY!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e6vf02MbcI
http://www.infowars.com/what-the-media-isnt-reporting-about-khizr-khan/TRUMP MADE OWNED THOSE MUSLIMS wrote:
Kahn forced to take his WEBSITE DOWN! hahahahahaha. Trump destroyed that Muslim biatch!
Revealed to be a supporter of Sharia Law.
Notice how quickly CNN and MSNBC made the Khan family disappear when their ties to mass Muslim immigration and sharia law surfaced.
DiscoGary wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:[quote]Coach wrote:
I responded in another thread to you yesterday that Rabbis don't expect any of those biblical laws to be followed until the messiah (the jewish one) comes
Can you cite where that's written in the Torah?
Why am I not worried about getting killed by religious Jews?
Because you are badly misinformed.