BREAKING:Jama Aden's hotel in Spain raided.

That's ALL? wrote:

rjm33 wrote:

1) Dennis Kimetto- 2:02:57, 2:03:45 managed by Gerard Van De Veen (NED)

2) Eliud Kipchoge- 2:03:05, managed by Jos Hermens (NED)

3) Emmanuel Mutai- 2:03:13, 2:03:52 managed by Michel Boeting (NED)

4) Wilson Kipsang-2:03:23, 2:03:42 managed by Gerard Van De Veen (NED)

5) Geoffrey Mutai- 2:03:02, managed by Gerard Van De Veen (NED)

6) Moses Mosop- 2:03:06, managed by Jos Hermens (NED)

7) Haile Gebrselassie-2:03:59, managed by Jos Hermens (NED)

Do you see a pattern with these 2:03 marathon runners?

ALL of them have managers from the Netherlands.

That is just a coincidence.

Geoffrey Mutai- 2:03:02 self-coached

Patrick Makau- 2:03:38 self-coached

Stanley Biwott- 2:03:51 self-coached (was coached by Claudio Berardelli of Italy until late last year)

I can't be ALL if you "accidentally" leave some name off your ALL list.

You have poor reading comprehension. I said "managed" not "coached".

The ALL was in reference to all the people I listed. I left out one 2:03:51 marathoner named Stanley Biwott. I am so glad you mentioned my omission. Here are some coincidences for you:

Stanley Biwott is managed by Dr. Frederico Rosa of Italy. He has his own expensive blood testing equipment.

Dr. Frederico Rosa was the manager to :

1) Pamela Chepchumba- EPO positive and ban at 2003 World Cross Country Championships.

2) Matthew Kisorio-anabolic steroid nandrolone positive and ban.

3) Agatha Jeruto- anabolic steroid norandrosterone positive and ban.

4) Rita Jeptoo-EPO positive and ban. Coached by Claudio Berardelli. He was also coach to Stanley Biwott in the past.

Ha Ha Ha ……..Do you see a pattern developing?

(Oh my. I mentioned names of drugs. Some people do not like that at all.)

Oh well. That is too bad for them.

What fun!!!

Just speculating (obviously), but maybe her sisters knew about what was going on with her and her coach and tattled on them. Because they were involved, they could have known what was about to go down and were there to pick her up for that reason. Someone refuted the idea that the sisters were there to get her, because why wouldn't they have said something, helped her and her coach out? Well maybe it's because they were playing for the other team.. Jealousy has made others do much worse. Coming to console her, acting the good sister part, hides the fact that you're the reason for the raid.

Either way, the next few weeks leading up to the Olympics are going to be anything but boring....

Sure. A hit job. Some agent of Seb Coe probably planted that EPO in the hotel, too.

Those poor athletes, coached by the vitamin-injecting Papa Aden now getting their names dragged in the mud through no fault of their own. They should sue Seb Coe, that's what *I* think...

rojo wrote:

They could have been there to take her out as maybe they just heard Jama was dirty. They could have been there to dope themselves (odd for the retired one). They could have been there to site see (odd for Tirunesh with the Olympics coming up).

Just a reminder that we need to remember everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

Go away with your racist bs.

arte wrote:

Sure. A hit job. Some agent of Seb Coe probably planted that EPO in the hotel, too.

That is the only plausible explanation.

The syringes and other "evidence" were brought there and planted by the "investigators."

Have any athletes been arrested?

Flamethrower wrote:

Have any athletes been arrested?

Athletes won't get arrested.

Good Grief ~~ wrote:

rojo wrote:

They could have been there to take her out as maybe they just heard Jama was dirty. They could have been there to dope themselves (odd for the retired one). They could have been there to site see (odd for Tirunesh with the Olympics coming up).

Just a reminder that we need to remember everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

They could of been sightseeing. Of course.

It is possible they were there to site see this site on the internet…since rojo is a word champion and also was a spelling champion when he was in school.

What fun!!!

Tirunesh Dibaba is married to Sileshi Sihine. He was also managed by Jos Hermens. Sileshi Sihine had a summer track season training base in the Netherlands when he competed. That is just a coincidence.

I need to get back to reading.

Lots of people here need to get back to sleeping...since it is impossible for them to wake up.

Of course the Dibaba sisters couldn't possibly have been in Spain to get ... doped. Nah, no way, they were just there to support their "sick little sister" and "take her home".

Awww, so sweet. It must be so NICE to live in an actual Disney fairy-tale world....

First time i see GD in clear pain drugs or no drugs they work fking hard--wow. She was near all out in all the reps.

Yes that is what they did wrote:

arte wrote:

Sure. A hit job. Some agent of Seb Coe probably planted that EPO in the hotel, too.

That is the only plausible explanation.

The syringes and other "evidence" were brought there and planted by the "investigators."

I doubt anyone could plant evidence in the Spanish justice system which is very strict. But this theory too will be cleared after the results of the blood tests come out and some of the athletes test positive for EPO and other drugs.

I can't believe they were this lazy. Criminals get lazy. I would think he would never have the drugs on him. But I guess he figured it was safer than trusting someone else. The only way he gets caught here is with a police raid. In America and most countries, he'd be safe as doping isn't a crime.

Cook today told the Daily Mail he got death threats after voicing suspicions.

JohnsonBLVD wrote:

You are so full of shit. Everyone is Innocent till proven guilty??? Is that how you treated the Oregon Project around this time last year?

One year later and the investigations are over yet you still look at them like they are doping. Save it.

Spare me the indignation. We have never said they are dopers.

This is what Alberto Salazar has admitted to doing.

1) Alberto admitted to having testosterone and conducting experiments with it on his sons.

2) He admitted a high schooler was taking a product called "testoboost". This from a guy who said, "None of our athletes are on any sports-specific supplement other than beta alanine, which is an amino acid. Other than that, it’s iron, vitamin D and that’s it. You don’t really need anything else"

On top of that numerous athletes said they were advised to take prescription drugs that were not theirs according to publisher reports.

Personally, this fall I started to think #1 on its own is a doping violation. But USADA must not feel this way or it is incompetent as Alberto has admitted to this. I'm pretty sure if Jerry Schumacher without a personal subscription for testosterone went out and did this experiment it would be a doping violation, so I'm not sure why a personal prescription makes it acceptable. If its not against the rules it should be because it is the exact thing a cheat would do to see what they could get by with.

Even if #1 occurred and it is a doping violation it does not mean Alberto doped his athletes.

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As for today's stuff we a new interesting side link to Farah and stuff related to today's raid that I hadn't seen in English press. Decided to wait to get a response from Ricky Simms before publishing so we backed off the second part of the article until tomorrow. Makes sense to put in the Aden's association with Nike in that part as well.

Look Farah is from Somali, so is Aden, he may just like hanging out with a coach with his same background. They can speak the native tongue I assume. It doesn't mean he's a doper. Personally Eddy Helleybuck was super nice to me and one of the first guys who spoke to me on the circuit. I liked him. Doesn't mean I was a doper.

At the same time, to not note the associations of these people would be poor journalism. The first thing all the British papers did today was note how Farah is linked to Aden and what UK Athletics was saying about it.

actually wejo,its my impression that jama aden doped all his athletes up to the eyeballs,but i also get the impression(or suspicion) he must have pissed people off,who were higher up.something went on,behind the scenes,to make then suddenly turn on him.call it an act of pure spite,but i get the feeling aden crossed someone he shouldnt have,and they wanted him gone.i dont believe the drugs were planted,but its clear to me,someone wanted him gone from the picture.

wejo wrote:

At the same time, to not note the associations of these people would be poor journalism. The first thing all the British papers did today was note how Farah is linked to Aden and what UK Athletics was saying about it.

Salazar may still go down, and maybe you have more coming, but your teaser was that you have an email from Aden to Salazar with some workouts Aden's athletes were doing. Without something else (and maybe it's coming) I would define that as poor journalism because that isn't a relevant "association" when you are specifically highlighting an "association" between one party and someone just arrested for doping.

Alberto Salazar was also the coach of Mary Decker Slaney when she tested positive for being over the 6:1 testosterone/epitestosterone ratio at the time (4:1 now) in 1996. She was eventually banned.

I think Alberto Salazar had a good memory of that event and then made some adjustments in the future. He tested testosterone gel on his son to determine how much Androgel would trigger a positive doping test for testosterone. He also consulted with Dr. Brown about the results. That is just a coincidence.

Is there an actual country of Somali?

No.

Triumph of the Swill wrote:

This episode has the indicators of a hit job by Seb Coe. Score points by busting dopers. First take out the Russians completely. Take out some of the top Africans. Be tough on doping, as long as it's not on your own kind of people. Who's left when the Russians and Africans are taken out? The NOP, Europeans, Limeys, Aussies, and Kiwis can rule again, like they did 30 or 50 years ago. Makes for a better show for the target audience if they can relate to the winners.

You sound annoyed that he is catching people. What do you want him to do? Ignore what is happening and let Aden's group continue doping?

rojo wrote:

He was detained by Spanish police along with an unnamed trainer from Morocco

The unnamed trainer is Rashid Ramzi. He put his connections to Columbian doctor Alberto Beltran to good use...