You Can Run But You Can't Hide Malmo - More And More People Know The Truth About You

the clarifier wrote:

Just to clarify (it's what I do): Are you saying that the AW period in question is the "biggest organized drug scandal?"

Admittedly not a drug-scandal junkie, I was under the impression (please feel free to correct me on this) that allegations that the national organization covered/covers up positive tests of big names was a bigger scandal.

Your use of the term "drug-scandal junkie" is interesting to me, because I guess that's sort of what I consider myself. Or maybe not a junkie, but still, someone who is more interested in the scandals than the sport itself. I know there are others like me. Posters sometimes complain "why do you even follow the sport if you think everybody is cheating?", etc.

Most people who follow drug scandals closely would claim, I think, that they "just want to see our beautiful sport cleaned up". In the past I would have agreed, but now I believe that if they examined deeper, they might conclude like I have that this is simply impossible. I personally can't envision a future of track, or any sport, in which a world record was set or a great performance achieved without a great deal of skepticism to accompany it. It seems that people will always cheat, and some will always get away with it.

One might ask, so why follow it at all? Why not move on to something positive? My personal reasoning is, it's because I want to see the whole thing come crashing down. All of professional sports. Pro sports as the "opiate of the masses". I want ordinary people to realize that the whole thing is a filthy mess, it's rotten to the core, and it can't be cleaned up. To realize that sitting around wasting their lives worrying about what their athletic heroes are up to is absurd to begin with, and doubly absurd given that their heroes are quite likely cheats.

Whether or not malmo gets his document together and makes it available, I think we can conclude in a general sense that a lot of athletes in AW were dirty, probably including some people you would never have expected, and that there was organized corruption. I hope the truth comes out, but only because of the way it will shed light on human nature. Just like in all the other drug scandals - not all the participants are evil, sneaky, bullying psychopaths. The majority of them are ordinary, often likeable people. They are you and me. We all know that we might have cheated too if we'd ever been put in certain situations. At least, I know I might have. And that is the point: in high-stakes sport, people will cheat. They always have and always will. It is just part of our nature. We might cheat merely because we think other people will be cheating. Some don't, but we have no reliable method of determining who does and who doesn't.

I'm not advocating an end to sport (and obviously I know nobody would care if I did). I'm just wishing for a change of perspective. High school sports, club sports, small-time college sports - I love all that. I love seeing people strive to achieve their best, just for the hell of it. Sportsmanship is great. But once professionalism is introduced, it ruins everything. Seriously, do people really admire the giant NCAA football programs, or the New York Yankees, or Manchester United, or Nike? I suppose the answer is a resounding "Yes!", but it would be great if they'd think it over a little more.

Actually, George oscar bluth, nothing can be further from the truth. It's the very people that are innocent and have nothing to hide that are damaged by slanderers more than anyone else. The guilty receive fair justice, but the innocent are just left to pick up the pieces of their shattered lives (Brojos, pay attention, as the message board is not on the good side of this equation). Your attempt, however, to solicit information to feed your need for libelous gossip is noted.

And to Malmo: Are you now telling me you didn't cheat? I guess I'm confused by your prior statements.

People have no need to worry about being slandered if they weren't doing anything wrong.[/quote]

I have participated in no libelous gossip, so I'm not worried about what you're noting.

Just how will innocent lives be shattered?

Whether one is being forthright or not, well some might see it as mixed results.

Yes, forthright in admitting it and saying it was wrong.

But saying it had no effect is a bit like Bill Clinton saying he tried marijuana but didn't inhale (ever wonder if he did the same thing with the infamous cigar?).

The revelation about the anemia may or may not be seen as spin in light of what was said earlier because it was sort of implied (with the wink wink, nod with the doctor) described earlier on. Now it's legit medical claim. Like typically if you have anemia the doctor will probably prescribe iron supplements, not steroids. At least initially.

Forthright yes. 100%? Maybe not quite that.

It has been a very interesting and informative thread despite numerous hiccups along the way.

Malmo, You do realize that cycling and baseball are dealing with active athletes not those from 30 years ago? How many serious track fans could even name 5% of Athletics West athletes?

*%&%%% wrote:

The revelation about the anemia may or may not be seen as spin in light of what was said earlier because it was sort of implied (with the wink wink, nod with the doctor) described earlier on. Now it's legit medical claim. Like typically if you have anemia the doctor will probably prescribe iron supplements, not steroids. At least initially.

You will read whatever you want into it. It was a legit medical prescription for an FDA approved drug. Doctors don't prescribe iron supplements. You can get them at the grocery store without prescription. At the time I was taking daily multivitamins.

The point how I got to Smulovitz office has been explained. Quit trying to play "gotcha".

malmo wrote:

Quit trying to play "gotcha".

Fair enough, but isn't this to some extent what you are trying to do, malmo?

Yes to testing wrote:

Malmo, You do realize that cycling and baseball are dealing with active athletes not those from 30 years ago? How many serious track fans could even name 5% of Athletics West athletes?

OK. What's your point? This isn't baseball and this isn't about today? Got it. ...and people talking about the East German systemic doping program are talking about today either. It's all worthy stuff to actually sort through.

A Rose By Any Other wrote:

Fair enough, but isn't this to some extent what you are trying to do, malmo?

No.

malmo wrote:

OK. What's your point? This isn't baseball and this isn't about today? Got it. ...and people talking about the East German systemic doping program are talking about today either. It's all worthy stuff to actually sort through.

I'm going to take a shot at something here. Not sure if I am going to get it right.

Admittedly, I have not fully followed this thread as of late as closely as many, especially after what I thought were some fair posts vanished.

Malmo, I think the concern that some posters have is that since your name has been drug through the muck on the AW thing(fairly or unfairly is not my call) that part of your motivation in sorting this all out is a desire to have others go through what you have gone through.

In childish terms, I "got punished, so should they." Some have been more eloquent in their phrasing, but that's the sense I get from those posts.

As I noted in a previously-deleted post, the decision on what to do with your "knowledge" is yours. I don't know that others believe that you are sufficiently weighing the consequences of outing your friends.

malmo wrote:

I didn't cheat. I had a perfectly legal prescription for a valid reason that allowed my blood count to return to normal. I went from a 23:30 8k all the way down to 23:28 during this period, 30s slower than my PR. If that's cheating then I'm pretty damn bad at it aren't I? Continuing to use would have been cheating. The point is, I was able to infiltrate THEIR back yard. Had I not spoken up no one would have known much about it. Maybe Sevene nor Brown would have spoken about it in the Ben Johnson documentary.

You're always welcome to email me.

Just because you did a lousy job of cheating and it didn't work for you, doesn't mean you didn't cheat.

"Malmo"--

If I may be so bold as to give some unsolicited personal advice, be careful. By the posts I have read, I have received the impression that you have many biases that could affect your decision-making, possibly to your detriment.

Although the mantra that "truth is an absolute defense" has some measure of validity, it is more true that it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. If I were you, I would pick my spots, rather than trying to create a sort of broad-brush expose.

Don't think that it's necessarily OK in all circumstances to publish something as long as it comes with a disclaimer.

Whoever it is who you trust to go through all this before you disclose, make sure that they are not only legally competent, but that they have some savvy. You want maximum return for your personal investment, with the minimum possible management requirement.

Just be smart, things like this can end up being more of a pain in the butt than they are liberating, if not done well.

FYI, this is a far stretch. I'm a physician (who occasionally prescibes iron supplements), and I can tell you that no legitimate MD prescribes (or prescribed) stanozolol (the generic name for Winstrol) for anemia-- and it is also not FDA approved for that indication. The only approved indication is for heriditary angioedema-- a condition I'm guessing you don't have. Furthermore, just because a physician prescribed it, doesn't mean it wasn't cheating.

Plenty of runners develop anemia-- that doesn't mean that they now have license to get a prescription for erythropoetin from their local doc. They get evaluated as to the cause of the anemia, and then the underlying cause (iron deficiency, chronic disease, bone-marrow disease, etc) gets treated.

The reality is this: you found a doc willing to prescribe a drug that was suspected to enhance performance, and you seem to think being anemic is OK because that was the reason-- again, despite no FDA indication for that (and no mention of using stanozolol for treating anemia in medical text that I'm aware of). Glad you're now interested in stopping cheating, but just drop the pseudo-medical excuse. There's nothing there.

Oops, deleted some text as I hit post. That last paragraph should read:

The reality is this: you found a doc willing to prescribe a drug that was suspected to enhance performance, and you seem to think being anemic is a valid reason to take this off-label drug-- as if somehow taking steroids was OK because that was the reason-- again, despite no FDA indication for that (and no mention of using stanozolol for treating anemia in medical text that I'm aware of). Glad you're now interested in stopping cheating, but just drop the pseudo-medical excuse. There's nothing there.

Whether you are actually a doctor is unknown. You might even be the Queen of England. If you were a doctor then you would know that Winstrol was developed as a treatment for anemia. Easy to research, Doctor.

You know who wrote:

"Malmo"--

If I may be so bold as to give some unsolicited personal advice, be careful.

Hence my desire to sort everything out correctly.

I didn't say anything about what it was developed for-- I said it has no FDA indication for treating anemia (easy for you to research, too). Which seems relevant, since part of your defense of taking it is that it was FDA approved. Again, EPO is also FDA approved. Taking that to treat anemia is still cheating, if you're an elite athlete.

I don't follow your line of reasoning here, especially the part about slandering good reputations. I've heard much about drug use at AW and not from malmo. So there's already a cloud (for me) over anyone who ran for AW (other than Benji Durden and Kevin Ryan evidently.) If the users were to be identified it seems to me that the cloud would be removed from a lot of people and placed where it belongs.

dd, assuming you are actually a physician, Is there a way to get my medical records from a doctor who has retired? Do they have to hold them somewhere fort some period? I'm curious.