When a kid runs 4:54 1600m leg as a 12 year old on their first ever track season, of course they are not normal.
Exactly. And most girls that are that good that young never progress as they get older. Tuohy is an outlier in that regard. Valby's progression is much more natural and common, especially for women.
Monson, Schweizer, Wayment, all must be doping. Reed Fischer. Matt Carmody. Bob Liking.
They all took time to drop their bests, it took Wayment 5 years to run 15:10s meanwhile Valby got injured, took off her boot, took "confidence" pill and viola, pr after pr!
I don't understand the cognitive dissonance here. So you're saying it's suspicious to have a breakthrough when you're 19? And the only people who are not suspicious have been top level since they were 12? I guess Nur is completely doped up after having a breakthrough at 22, and Yared at 20. You do realize that the number of middle school phenoms who go on to do anything is vanishingly small, right?
since Valby is so talented, and from what I hear did a lot of swimming before she began running so she had some fitness, why did it take her so long to run times Tuohy ran when she first left the soccer field in the 7th grade? I just don't understand. I am not accusing anyone of anything, but why was she initially so much slower than the 7th grade Tuohy?
Because Valby is having a natural progression based on her talent increasing with her physical development, the same type of trajectory as most of her college competitors.
In contrast, the Tuohy's development at a very young age is unusual compared to her college competitors. Hmm I wonder what that indicates in your world.
since Valby is so talented, and from what I hear did a lot of swimming before she began running so she had some fitness, why did it take her so long to run times Tuohy ran when she first left the soccer field in the 7th grade? I just don't understand. I am not accusing anyone of anything, but why was she initially so much slower than the 7th grade Tuohy?
Because Valby is having a natural progression based on her talent increasing with her physical development, the same type of trajectory as most of her college competitors.
In contrast, the Tuohy's development at a very young age is unusual compared to her college competitors. Hmm I wonder what that indicates in your world.
I don't know. What she taking PEDs at age 12? Or maybe she just is pretty good at this running thing?
It is not uncommon for a girl to make the big jumps Valby is making just by changing diet. Google Valby and it is clear to see she was a heavier girl in her early high school years. She has shed that weight and is now very fast. One look at her parents and you can see she comes from extremely strong and athletic genetics.
Valby will win and it won't be close. She drops everyone during the 2nd mile.
Extraordinarily strong? Are you suggesting we look at her parents?
12 year olds rob stores. 12 year olds kill people. 12 year olds carjack people. But in your world, everyone who is a threat to Tuohy is cheating regardless of their age but no way Tuohy would cheat at any age.
12 year olds rob stores. 12 year olds kill people. 12 year olds carjack people. But in your world, everyone who is a threat to Tuohy is cheating regardless of their age but no way Tuohy would cheat at any age.
I have not suggested anyone is cheating. I have asked about Valby's early running, in the light of some suggesting she is apparently uber talented.
12 year olds rob stores. 12 year olds kill people. 12 year olds carjack people. But in your world, everyone who is a threat to Tuohy is cheating regardless of their age but no way Tuohy would cheat at any age.
I have not suggested anyone is cheating. I have asked about Valby's early running, in the light of some suggesting she is apparently uber talented.
You do realize that people develop at different ages, right? It is VERY rare to see middle school phenoms develop into top college or pro runners.
H'm. Seems to me that most college runners who suffer injuries and surgery go through a period of regression before they can make it back. McCabe for example too almost a year to recover from injury. I think the issue is the repeated ability to significantly pr off of injuries without regression and the ability to run multiple successive prs without seeming to suffer fatigue. And the coach's association to BTC. If you think that is a natural progression based on some innate talent, hope you are right.
Most top college runners were very accomplished in high school.
Everyone is a threat to Tuohy now? Holy cow. Is Tuohy going to finish mid pack? I thought the only realt threat to her at nationals was Valby. But nice to know that she is concerned about everyone. Mack's comment really rattled her and the team.
Tuohy did her improvements, with injuries in between, with the help of Laurie Henes, who had helped her daughter and is helping the rest of the NC State girls team the same way.
H'm. Seems to me that most college runners who suffer injuries and surgery go through a period of regression before they can make it back. McCabe for example too almost a year to recover from injury. I think the issue is the repeated ability to significantly pr off of injuries without regression and the ability to run multiple successive prs without seeming to suffer fatigue. And the coach's association to BTC. If you think that is a natural progression based on some innate talent, hope you are right.
Most top college runners were very accomplished in high school.
Valby has the Florida state record in the 3200, that's fairly accomplished. It's also not unheard of for walk-ons to become top college runners.
Tell you what. If Tuohy experiences a sudden, dractic change in form, experiences no ill effects or loss of fitness from injury and surgery, and can run PR after PR with Houlihanesque immunity to basic faitigue, and runs for a coach with very sketchy doping associations, then make any claim you care to.
Tell you what. If Tuohy experiences a sudden, dractic change in form, experiences no ill effects or loss of fitness from injury and surgery, and can run PR after PR with Houlihanesque immunity to basic faitigue, and runs for a coach with very sketchy doping associations, then make any claim you care to.
Then she must be clean. That is the attitude here. The more unbelievable you are the more believable that you are clean. That is the weird contradiction that applies. We are talking religious cult thinking here, that will be persuaded by nothing that its followers don't want to believe.