Is The RunningLane Course 5K? Or Is It Short?

A few of you guys can keep thinking that but you are trying to redefine the English language. It has been recorded. You can look up the results. A record merely is a piece of paper. Think of going to the county office to look at the records. They record births and deaths and marriages and property transfers. This race time has been recorded. There is a record of it. And it is the fastest ever recorded. You can't change it no matter how many times you post on Letsrun.

"A thing constituting a piece of evidence about the past, especially an account kept in writing or some other permanent form."

Ghost of Ward Cleaver wrote:

coachy wrote:

Ok so you are skipping the whole section before that?

I thought you were a USATF Course certifier? Why don't you push for clarity in their Course Certification Manual?

It certainly is not well written, at least page 34...clear as mud, right?

I can't say it any clearer. THAT IS FOR ROAD COURSES. It has nothing to do with XC. They need to come up with an accurate way to measure XC courses. I don't have the solution, I am sure there are people paid to do this. Come up with a universal way that XC courses can be "certified" if they desire to do so.

Ghost of Ward Cleaver wrote:

blue man wrote:

Most GPS readings for the race were 3.13-3.14.

https://fl.milesplit.com/articles/52499

There is nothing that Jason Byrne could ever provide in his lifetime that would somehow lend professional advice on GPS. He is someone who tends to lead people on that he is intelligent but he is overcompensating for interpersonal problems as well as lack of academic achievement. Most of you with intermediate levels of object oriented programming under your belts have more skill than he does.

coachy wrote:

Milesplit is on board. They talk about the doubters about 10 min in:

https://www.milesplit.com/videos/510021/on-the-line-dec-7

This is fake news.

Both of these people are incompetent as well. Talking about their watches again.

They have so much bias toward promoting this meet because it provides a "sizable" financial kickback to Milesplit. By sizeble I think about $10,000 plus the exclusive coverage.

This entire meet was a sham. It wasnt accurate and it wasnt cross country. Nothing about my acceptance of the race has to do with an unwillingness to "change". If I saw the next Ritz, I would be the first to say it. But that comes only once every 50 years or so.

Sahlman is not the next Ritz, sorry.

Olivia Ekpone - majored in agricultural communication and journalism at Texas A&M. Sounds like a fallback for those who didnt get in the journalism/mass communications school.

Cory Mull - went to Kutztown University of Pennsylvania and majored in english. If I have never heard of your university and it is on the mainland of the USA it isnt a good sign.

Neither of these people are credible sources on GPS, software, engineering or devices and I also dont accept their opinions on distance running either. Again, fake news.

I have a masters degree in EE. I ran 13:45 at a P5 school. But you don't believe me when I tell you that the course was accurate. I suggest that you take a weekend and check it out and report back. I guarantee that hundreds of people who are providing feedback as to the accuracy of the course were there on Saturday while the handful of people demanding more information, were not there and will not bother to do any verification on their own.

$0.02 wrote:

coachy wrote:

Milesplit is on board. They talk about the doubters about 10 min in:

https://www.milesplit.com/videos/510021/on-the-line-dec-7

This is fake news.

Both of these people are incompetent as well. Talking about their watches again.

They have so much bias toward promoting this meet because it provides a "sizable" financial kickback to Milesplit. By sizeble I think about $10,000 plus the exclusive coverage.

This entire meet was a sham. It wasnt accurate and it wasnt cross country. Nothing about my acceptance of the race has to do with an unwillingness to "change". If I saw the next Ritz, I would be the first to say it. But that comes only once every 50 years or so.

Sahlman is not the next Ritz, sorry.

We can all tell this is very personal to you. Time to take a breath. You are probably associated with one of the competing races. I am sorry your race wasn't as good at RunningLane was this year. Maybe next year will be your turn. Relax, it's going to be OK.

I went to the NXR Heartland Regional this year and RunningLane Nationals. The regional meet is on the stupidest course I have ever seen. It is 2.5 laps around a soccer complex with zero elevation changes. The course is narrow and has several 90 degree turns which do not work when a large group of runners is travelling a high rate of speed. The course is bounded by temporary fencing about 3 feet high just waiting to impale somebody. The RunningLane course is the best I have ever seen and I have run on or been to all of the top courses in the country.

Nike is knocking wrote:

I went to the NXR Heartland Regional this year and RunningLane Nationals. The regional meet is on the stupidest course I have ever seen. It is 2.5 laps around a soccer complex with zero elevation changes. The course is narrow and has several 90 degree turns which do not work when a large group of runners is travelling a high rate of speed. The course is bounded by temporary fencing about 3 feet high just waiting to impale somebody. The RunningLane course is the best I have ever seen and I have run on or been to all of the top courses in the country.

I looked over the results for Footlocker/Eastbay West as well as NXR CA and both weren't really all that competitive. I could see being angry if they were with one of those meets.

Nike is knocking wrote:

I have a masters degree in EE. I ran 13:45 at a P5 school. But you don't believe me when I tell you that the course was accurate. I suggest that you take a weekend and check it out and report back. I guarantee that hundreds of people who are providing feedback as to the accuracy of the course were there on Saturday while the handful of people demanding more information, were not there and will not bother to do any verification on their own.

What does any of that have to do with properly measuring a course. Does your degree or race time give you a sixth sense to visually calculate the course distance?

If I went down and steel taped the course and found it short would you actually believe me? If you helped in the process and saw that it was short what would you proclaim then?

I really hope it is on and that the people who built it really hit the jackpot on course layout and design, but I'm a skeptic since I have seen this time and time again. Short courses produce fast times, long courses produce slow times, and most course are pretty close, and you have generally acceptable times.

Nike is knocking wrote:

I went to the NXR Heartland Regional this year and RunningLane Nationals. The regional meet is on the stupidest course I have ever seen. It is 2.5 laps around a soccer complex with zero elevation changes. The course is narrow and has several 90 degree turns which do not work when a large group of runners is travelling a high rate of speed. The course is bounded by temporary fencing about 3 feet high just waiting to impale somebody. The RunningLane course is the best I have ever seen and I have run on or been to all of the top courses in the country.

How much faster did you run at the Alabama course?

I have always heard the NXR Heartland Regional was a nice, quick course and many have speculated that it was also short...but that seems to be in vogue.

Follow along. The milesplit people were discredited due to their degrees and running experience. And you lie by saying that you have seen this time and time again. There has never been anything even close to this before. This is by far the most competitive meet ever put together. The top runners and coaches and media were all there. College coaches were there. The national record was broken. But you claim that you have seen this many times. You weren't there. You probably didn't even bother watching. I am glad that the record was broken just to get a few people like you so worked up. No matter how many times you post, it doesn't change the national record or the hundreds of school records that were broken at this meet. College coaches were swarming the top kids. It was awesome.

I did not run. Sioux City North had 3 of the top 5 run faster and 2 ran slower. The weather was 35 degrees and windy at NXR. If conditions had been the same, I estimate that 4 or 5 would have run faster at NXR than Runninglane.

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Both NATIONAL records were broken, last year (girls) and this year (boys). I didn't invent the terminology National Record, it's out there, even if you don't like it.

The MileSplit people literally said they wheeled it, listen again.

Yes the meet was much deeper than any NXN or Footlocker meet before. There will be twice as many sub 9:10 3200 runners this spring who were in this race as compared to any race in history.

Where can I find all of the National records for Cross Country? USATF, IAAF, Track & Field News?

How does ours' compare to Canada or Mexico? How about to Kenya or Ethiopia?

Did "The MileSplit people" explain what type of wheel? How it was calibrated? How closely to the inside turns they measured? Was the short course calculation factor added in to their final number? Did they video this process for all to see?

Nike is knocking wrote:

I did not run.

Injured? Parent? Coach?

Sioux City North had 3 of the top 5 run faster and 2 ran slower. The weather was 35 degrees and windy at NXR. If conditions had been the same, I estimate that 4 or 5 would have run faster at NXR than Runninglane.

I thought you were critical of the NXR course? Why do you feel they would have ran faster on the NXR course with all the 90 degree turns, narrowness, less competition, and no downhill finish?

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Nike is knocking wrote:

Yes the meet was much deeper than any NXN or Footlocker meet before. There will be twice as many sub 9:10 3200 runners this spring who were in this race as compared to any race in history.

I hope you are right! That would be amazing!