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4 years ago 08/26/2019 1:50pm EDT

re: Smb

Smb wrote:
sp2 wrote:
Thanks, Man. Much appreciated.
I have to admit that when he said his legs felt heavy during race-day warm-up my first thought was WHY DID YOU RUN THE DANG INCLINE ON FRIDAY?!
Very gracious interview, as always. Can you imagine any professional athlete of his caliber in football, soccer, baseball, skiing, etc coming across as so humble?

Yep, he's pretty amazing.

Maybe you're right about his workout on the incline --especially since two weeks is almost certainly not enough for full recovery from his S-Z effort.

I don't know what to think about these competing claims about erosion of the trail in the last 25 years,

but it was clearly a bunch hotter than optimal, and it sound like atmospheric conditions weren't too great at the upper altitudes, and it certainly sounds like a little recent rain on the trail would've helped a bunch.

And he still ran 3:27 (with what he says were deal legs --and when he says it I tend to believe it).

I don't know it he could ever run 3:16, but I'm pretty sure he could've gotten a bunch closer if everything broke better.

(I don't think it's that tough to imagine, say, a 3:22 or something.)

Good post. Another point of consideration with KJ is that he was here to race a GTS race and go to the final. He may want the CR but as much talk as there was about it he really didn't seem that focused on it. Looking at his training spreadsheet he really hasn't even done much acclimatization this year, such as for his Everest project. One would think he would have either spent more time at Pikes or at the very least be doing some major acclimatization prior to coming over if he was really serious. KJ is not dumb, he knows what kind of effort it will take to break 3:16.

4 years ago 08/26/2019 4:16pm EDT

re: GTS

GTS wrote:
Good post. Another point of consideration with KJ is that he was here to race a GTS race and go to the final. He may want the CR but as much talk as there was about it he really didn't seem that focused on it. Looking at his training spreadsheet he really hasn't even done much acclimatization this year, such as for his Everest project. One would think he would have either spent more time at Pikes or at the very least be doing some major acclimatization prior to coming over if he was really serious. KJ is not dumb, he knows what kind of effort it will take to break 3:16.

I think he secretly (or not so secretly) hoped to get it. I've refrained from posting this up till now, but I'll throw this out for discussion - per Matt's online "pace calculator" for Pikes Peak, a runner trying to go 2:01:06 on the Ascent (his split) should split:

***Barr camp at 1:01+, and per irunfar coverage Kilian split 1:03+ (2ish back). No biggie - just keeping it close on the climb in order to nuke the descent was probably the plan anyway.

***A-FRAME (3 to summit) at 1:26+, and the 2 to summit sign at 1:38+. This is where things get murky, as we have no Kilian splits for either. However, irunfar was outposted at "the 10.7 mile mark", or roughly 2.5 to summit and had him at 1:34+. Doing the math, at record pace Kilian would have been there at 1:32+, so with only 2.5 left to the summit he was still just 2ish off, or holding his own. All is well.

***However, at the summit he split 2:09+, losing comparatively 6 min to record in just the final 2.5 miles (after having lost only 2 min in the first 10.7 miles).

Without any deeper analysis, such as barometric pressure, temperature, windspeed and the like, the simplest answer might be "the altitude got him". We all know Matt was an altitude beast who trained on those upper 3 miles more than anyone else in history - well perhaps it indeed paid off!

Pace calculator:

http://skyrunner.com/pace.htm

Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er wrote:
***However, at the summit he split 2:09+, losing comparatively 6 min to record in just the final 2.5 miles (after having lost only 2 min in the first 10.7 miles).

That's what I was saying yesterday. It was no secret that Kilian wanted the record. I think he has the ability but would need pretty much everything to line up in his favour. Matt had the race of his life in 1993.

You can get Kilian's splits from his run on Strava. He doesn't currently have the activity set as a race so if you want precise splits, it's best to use the flyby.

https://www.strava.com/activities/2651610541 https://labs.strava.com/flyby/viewer/#2651610541

IMO nobody is cracking 3:20 on the course ever again. Yeah, Kilian smoked all of us yesterday. He was out of sight after about 1.5 miles into the climb. Yeah, it was a bit hot and for sure slower weather/trail conditions than last year. But at best I think Kilian (the best mountain runner in the world right now) could get down to 3:22-3:21 on a really good weather day. I split Barr in 1:06 yesterday and then faded a bit over treeline (not my best A-frame to the summit) but it was really freakin' hard to breathe up there! So 2:15 at the summit instead of 2:12. That was honestly the best I could do yesterday. I'd like to think in really good weather conditions maybe I could run like 5-6-minutes faster and actually hit the lower 3:30s. Cracking 3:30 might be out of reach for me I'm thinking now. Yesterday hurt quite a bit and I wasn't even close! When I won the Ascent in 2014 (much better weather day) I went 1:04:30 at Barr for a 2:10 at the top. So yeah it can roughly be your "halfway split for the Ascent" if you are pretty well high altitude trained. The lose rock/sand on miles 10-12 and miles 14-15 seemed worse than even two weeks ago when I trained above treeline. I dunno, maybe the air pressure/air density was low? The heat was for sure an issue the last 4-5 miles and I was drenched in sweat by mile 2. The wind wasn't very bad up high, but the air was quite dry....even for Colorado mountain standards. What really got me yesterday was also how slow we ran on the downhill. I mean I suck at downhill, but the effort felt a lot harder than last year for similar types of splits (and I didn't even fall this year!). I thought for sure coming off the top I could drop some sub 7-min miles even on the rock sections, but I split like a 7:30. Even Kilian only went down in like 1:18. I thought I could run 1:20 down and I ran a dismal 1:23high. Kilian goes up Mont Blanc all the time (15,000' peak). I'm going to assume he's pretty well altitude trained (and doesn't he have an altitude tent/mask as well?). Plus his Vo2max is like 90 (or so they say?). My Vo2max was 68 a few years ago. What I don't understand is how the Ascent record of 2:01 was set as a mid race split in the marathon race? I mean, why didn't Matt just race an all out Ascent in like 1:59-1:58 ever then? All his pure Ascent races were like over 2:04-2:05. Again, it would be like if Kipchoge went out and ran a world record for the half marathon en route to a sub 2 hour marathon. Congrats to all the runners and congrats to Kilian for the win - great meeting many of you out there!

Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er wrote:
GTS wrote:
Good post. Another point of consideration with KJ is that he was here to race a GTS race and go to the final. He may want the CR but as much talk as there was about it he really didn't seem that focused on it. Looking at his training spreadsheet he really hasn't even done much acclimatization this year, such as for his Everest project. One would think he would have either spent more time at Pikes or at the very least be doing some major acclimatization prior to coming over if he was really serious. KJ is not dumb, he knows what kind of effort it will take to break 3:16.
I think he secretly (or not so secretly) hoped to get it. I've refrained from posting this up till now, but I'll throw this out for discussion - per Matt's online "pace calculator" for Pikes Peak, a runner trying to go 2:01:06 on the Ascent (his split) should split:
***Barr camp at 1:01+, and per irunfar coverage Kilian split 1:03+ (2ish back). No biggie - just keeping it close on the climb in order to nuke the descent was probably the plan anyway.
***A-FRAME (3 to summit) at 1:26+, and the 2 to summit sign at 1:38+. This is where things get murky, as we have no Kilian splits for either. However, irunfar was outposted at "the 10.7 mile mark", or roughly 2.5 to summit and had him at 1:34+. Doing the math, at record pace Kilian would have been there at 1:32+, so with only 2.5 left to the summit he was still just 2ish off, or holding his own. All is well.
***However, at the summit he split 2:09+, losing comparatively 6 min to record in just the final 2.5 miles (after having lost only 2 min in the first 10.7 miles).
Without any deeper analysis, such as barometric pressure, temperature, windspeed and the like, the simplest answer might be "the altitude got him". We all know Matt was an altitude beast who trained on those upper 3 miles more than anyone else in history - well perhaps it indeed paid off!
Pace calculator:
http://skyrunner.com/pace.htm

4 years ago 08/26/2019 5:34pm EDT

re: S. Canaday

S. Canaday wrote:
IMO nobody is cracking 3:20 on the course ever again.
Yeah, Kilian smoked all of us yesterday. He was out of sight after about 1.5 miles into the climb. Yeah, it was a bit hot and for sure slower weather/trail conditions than last year.
But at best I think Kilian (the best mountain runner in the world right now) could get down to 3:22-3:21 on a really good weather day.
I split Barr in 1:06 yesterday and then faded a bit over treeline (not my best A-frame to the summit) but it was really freakin' hard to breathe up there! So 2:15 at the summit instead of 2:12. That was honestly the best I could do yesterday. I'd like to think in really good weather conditions maybe I could run like 5-6-minutes faster and actually hit the lower 3:30s. Cracking 3:30 might be out of reach for me I'm thinking now. Yesterday hurt quite a bit and I wasn't even close!
When I won the Ascent in 2014 (much better weather day) I went 1:04:30 at Barr for a 2:10 at the top. So yeah it can roughly be your "halfway split for the Ascent" if you are pretty well high altitude trained. The lose rock/sand on miles 10-12 and miles 14-15 seemed worse than even two weeks ago when I trained above treeline. I dunno, maybe the air pressure/air density was low? The heat was for sure an issue the last 4-5 miles and I was drenched in sweat by mile 2. The wind wasn't very bad up high, but the air was quite dry....even for Colorado mountain standards.
What really got me yesterday was also how slow we ran on the downhill. I mean I suck at downhill, but the effort felt a lot harder than last year for similar types of splits (and I didn't even fall this year!). I thought for sure coming off the top I could drop some sub 7-min miles even on the rock sections, but I split like a 7:30. Even Kilian only went down in like 1:18. I thought I could run 1:20 down and I ran a dismal 1:23high.
Kilian goes up Mont Blanc all the time (15,000' peak). I'm going to assume he's pretty well altitude trained (and doesn't he have an altitude tent/mask as well?). Plus his Vo2max is like 90 (or so they say?). My Vo2max was 68 a few years ago.
What I don't understand is how the Ascent record of 2:01 was set as a mid race split in the marathon race? I mean, why didn't Matt just race an all out Ascent in like 1:59-1:58 ever then? All his pure Ascent races were like over 2:04-2:05. Again, it would be like if Kipchoge went out and ran a world record for the half marathon en route to a sub 2 hour marathon.
Congrats to all the runners and congrats to Kilian for the win - great meeting many of you out there!
Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er wrote:
I think he secretly (or not so secretly) hoped to get it. I've refrained from posting this up till now, but I'll throw this out for discussion - per Matt's online "pace calculator" for Pikes Peak, a runner trying to go 2:01:06 on the Ascent (his split) should split:
***Barr camp at 1:01+, and per irunfar coverage Kilian split 1:03+ (2ish back). No biggie - just keeping it close on the climb in order to nuke the descent was probably the plan anyway.
***A-FRAME (3 to summit) at 1:26+, and the 2 to summit sign at 1:38+. This is where things get murky, as we have no Kilian splits for either. However, irunfar was outposted at "the 10.7 mile mark", or roughly 2.5 to summit and had him at 1:34+. Doing the math, at record pace Kilian would have been there at 1:32+, so with only 2.5 left to the summit he was still just 2ish off, or holding his own. All is well.
***However, at the summit he split 2:09+, losing comparatively 6 min to record in just the final 2.5 miles (after having lost only 2 min in the first 10.7 miles).
Without any deeper analysis, such as barometric pressure, temperature, windspeed and the like, the simplest answer might be "the altitude got him". We all know Matt was an altitude beast who trained on those upper 3 miles more than anyone else in history - well perhaps it indeed paid off!
Pace calculator:
http://skyrunner.com/pace.htm

Great race Sage, and good meeting you yesterday.

"What I don't understand is how the Ascent record of 2:01 was set as a mid race split in the marathon race? I mean, why didn't Matt just race an all out Ascent in like 1:59-1:58 ever then? All his pure Ascent races were like over 2:04-2:05. Again, it would be like if Kipchoge went out and ran a world record for the half marathon en route to a sub 2 hour marathon."

For starters (and you already said so previously) breaking the half during the full isn't the best analogy, totally different kind of race. My theory is Matt just nuked it to the summit full tilt as if that was the finish line, hoping he'd be OK on the descent. It appears that's about what he did the year prior, but cratered from the effort leading to the accident/broken ribs. So he just trained harder in 93 and gunned it again. As far as strategies on Piles Peak go, it really not that ridiculous given all the hindrances to going all out on the descent - heck that's kinda what I did when I ran it, and kinda what you did yesterday to keep a gap on Marc. So really, maybe it's his descent AFTER splitting 2:01 that should be seen as other most impressive thing? That he held form and blitzed that on the descent is amazing!

Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er wrote:
S. Canaday wrote:
IMO nobody is cracking 3:20 on the course ever again.
Yeah, Kilian smoked all of us yesterday. He was out of sight after about 1.5 miles into the climb. Yeah, it was a bit hot and for sure slower weather/trail conditions than last year.
But at best I think Kilian (the best mountain runner in the world right now) could get down to 3:22-3:21 on a really good weather day.
I split Barr in 1:06 yesterday and then faded a bit over treeline (not my best A-frame to the summit) but it was really freakin' hard to breathe up there! So 2:15 at the summit instead of 2:12. That was honestly the best I could do yesterday. I'd like to think in really good weather conditions maybe I could run like 5-6-minutes faster and actually hit the lower 3:30s. Cracking 3:30 might be out of reach for me I'm thinking now. Yesterday hurt quite a bit and I wasn't even close!
When I won the Ascent in 2014 (much better weather day) I went 1:04:30 at Barr for a 2:10 at the top. So yeah it can roughly be your "halfway split for the Ascent" if you are pretty well high altitude trained. The lose rock/sand on miles 10-12 and miles 14-15 seemed worse than even two weeks ago when I trained above treeline. I dunno, maybe the air pressure/air density was low? The heat was for sure an issue the last 4-5 miles and I was drenched in sweat by mile 2. The wind wasn't very bad up high, but the air was quite dry....even for Colorado mountain standards.
What really got me yesterday was also how slow we ran on the downhill. I mean I suck at downhill, but the effort felt a lot harder than last year for similar types of splits (and I didn't even fall this year!). I thought for sure coming off the top I could drop some sub 7-min miles even on the rock sections, but I split like a 7:30. Even Kilian only went down in like 1:18. I thought I could run 1:20 down and I ran a dismal 1:23high.
Kilian goes up Mont Blanc all the time (15,000' peak). I'm going to assume he's pretty well altitude trained (and doesn't he have an altitude tent/mask as well?). Plus his Vo2max is like 90 (or so they say?). My Vo2max was 68 a few years ago.
What I don't understand is how the Ascent record of 2:01 was set as a mid race split in the marathon race? I mean, why didn't Matt just race an all out Ascent in like 1:59-1:58 ever then? All his pure Ascent races were like over 2:04-2:05. Again, it would be like if Kipchoge went out and ran a world record for the half marathon en route to a sub 2 hour marathon.
Congrats to all the runners and congrats to Kilian for the win - great meeting many of you out there!
Great race Sage, and good meeting you yesterday.
"What I don't understand is how the Ascent record of 2:01 was set as a mid race split in the marathon race? I mean, why didn't Matt just race an all out Ascent in like 1:59-1:58 ever then? All his pure Ascent races were like over 2:04-2:05. Again, it would be like if Kipchoge went out and ran a world record for the half marathon en route to a sub 2 hour marathon."
For starters (and you already said so previously) breaking the half during the full isn't the best analogy, totally different kind of race. My theory is Matt just nuked it to the summit full tilt as if that was the finish line, hoping he'd be OK on the descent. It appears that's about what he did the year prior, but cratered from the effort leading to the accident/broken ribs. So he just trained harder in 93 and gunned it again. As far as strategies on Piles Peak go, it really not that ridiculous given all the hindrances to going all out on the descent - heck that's kinda what I did when I ran it, and kinda what you did yesterday to keep a gap on Marc. So really, maybe it's his descent AFTER splitting 2:01 that should be seen as other most impressive thing? That he held form and blitzed that on the descent is amazing!

Sorry man, but it's just bla bla bla now. Now, even Sage starts questioning MC record which is a total bogus as previously only, as you believe, the KJ fanboys noticed. The statue of MC is crumbling and it doesn't come from the KJ camp.

4 years ago 08/26/2019 6:11pm EDT

re: S. Canaday

S. Canaday wrote:
IMO nobody is cracking 3:20 on the course ever again.
But at best I think Kilian (the best mountain runner in the world right now) could get down to 3:22-3:21 on a really good weather day.
I split Barr in 1:06 yesterday and then faded a bit over treeline (not my best A-frame to the summit) but it was really freakin' hard to breathe up there! So 2:15 at the summit instead of 2:12. That was honestly the best I could do yesterday. I'd like to think in really good weather conditions maybe I could run like 5-6-minutes faster and actually hit the lower 3:30s. Cracking 3:30 might be out of reach for me I'm thinking now. Yesterday hurt quite a bit and I wasn't even close!

1) Somebody will someday. A new bright and shining phenom could start on the scene anytime.

2) Right now, Kilian is probably the only with that talent, but to do so, he would probably need to focus on it alone for a summer, which doesn't seem likely.

3) You ran great man - no need to feel down! Crushed all but one of the "internationales" who got you at S-Z and silenced the typical LR haters!

4) Breaking 3:30 is rarified air - instant mountain running royalty/legend status that few have ever achieved or ever will. You'd probably never have time to chat with us on here if you did :)

4 years ago 08/26/2019 6:29pm EDT

re: S. Canaday

S. Canaday wrote:
What really got me yesterday was also how slow we ran on the downhill. I mean I suck at downhill, but the effort felt a lot harder than last year for similar types of splits (and I didn't even fall this year!). I thought for sure coming off the top I could drop some sub 7-min miles even on the rock sections, but I split like a 7:30. Even Kilian only went down in like 1:18. I thought I could run 1:20 down and I ran a dismal 1:23high.
[quote]Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er wrote:

Great race, Sage.

You mention how much slower the descents were than last year. This was entirely because of the trail conditions. Last year the trail was wet all the way down from storms all week and the night before. It had what mountain bikers around here call "hero dirt." You feel like Superman going down because there is so much traction. This year we haven't had much rain the past two weeks. At least not enough to stick the gravel together.

The barometric pressure at the start was pretty low (although I have seen lower) 29.7 adjusted, 23.9 unadjusted. 30.1 is pretty good. And 30.2 are the days you go out for a PR. Definitely lower than on Matt's record day. So instead of starting at 6400 ft. actual altitude, it felt like 8092 ft. It was 64 degrees F.

Plus it was the hottest day ever recorded in Manitou Springs on August 25. 96 degrees broke the previous record of 94. Average high has been 81F. So a pretty significant outlier in temp as the day went on. Carpenter finished in 71F temps.

When Kilian finished the altitude felt like 9203 ft AT THE BOTTOM. It was 86F at that time according to weather underground. Somebody can do the calculation for what happens to your pace at 3000 ft higher.

On the pacing calculator: So many Ascenters have been destroyed by putting in their time goal and then trying to hit the Barr Camp split. But they have to hit that split at the correct effort level. Otherwise they will crater as they go higher. Happens all the time, to all levels of athletes. Too much effort early means you don't handle the altitude as well and slow down dramatically. The zombie train above treeline is a real thing. Ask Max King.

Joe Gray almost exactly hit the record split on Saturday, but then drastically fell off pace the higher he got. He did the same thing in 2017. In 2016 his split at Barr Camp was a couple minutes slower but his overall was 2:05 instead of 2:08.

You had an amazing race yesterday Sage!

Once again, ex-DI Runner, you continue to SPEAK for Matt Carpenter, when he is, in fact, alive and well selling ice cream on the side of the road while living in a van down by the river.

Stop speaking for Matt and stop insinuating what you think is real. You have no chops to talk. I just realized that on STRAVA I just got pushed out of Top 10 for all major segments. I have never raced Kilian, but I will NEVER assume to think what he feels or thinks.

Get Matt on a damn interview and talk to us. He is acting like he has something to hide. He is acting like he doesn't want to reveal a truth. I'm sure you could convince, him, ex-DI, since you say you basically live in the community, whereas many of us do not and only make the pilgrimage 1 x year.

Brojos,

Could you consider sending Jonathan Gault to do an extensive interview with Matt Carpenter. His older interviews on the web depict a curious and somewhat perplexing character. It would be interesting to see what his current perspective is on his running career.

Thanks,

T.M.A.D.D.D.H.A.S.F.N.E.

4 years ago 08/26/2019 6:59pm EDT

re: S. Canaday

S. Canaday wrote:
IMO nobody is cracking 3:20 on the course ever again.
Yeah, Kilian smoked all of us yesterday. He was out of sight after about 1.5 miles into the climb. Yeah, it was a bit hot and for sure slower weather/trail conditions than last year.
But at best I think Kilian (the best mountain runner in the world right now) could get down to 3:22-3:21 on a really good weather day.
I split Barr in 1:06 yesterday and then faded a bit over treeline (not my best A-frame to the summit) but it was really freakin' hard to breathe up there! So 2:15 at the summit instead of 2:12. That was honestly the best I could do yesterday. I'd like to think in really good weather conditions maybe I could run like 5-6-minutes faster and actually hit the lower 3:30s. Cracking 3:30 might be out of reach for me I'm thinking now. Yesterday hurt quite a bit and I wasn't even close!
When I won the Ascent in 2014 (much better weather day) I went 1:04:30 at Barr for a 2:10 at the top. So yeah it can roughly be your "halfway split for the Ascent" if you are pretty well high altitude trained. The lose rock/sand on miles 10-12 and miles 14-15 seemed worse than even two weeks ago when I trained above treeline. I dunno, maybe the air pressure/air density was low? The heat was for sure an issue the last 4-5 miles and I was drenched in sweat by mile 2. The wind wasn't very bad up high, but the air was quite dry....even for Colorado mountain standards.
What really got me yesterday was also how slow we ran on the downhill. I mean I suck at downhill, but the effort felt a lot harder than last year for similar types of splits (and I didn't even fall this year!). I thought for sure coming off the top I could drop some sub 7-min miles even on the rock sections, but I split like a 7:30. Even Kilian only went down in like 1:18. I thought I could run 1:20 down and I ran a dismal 1:23high.
Kilian goes up Mont Blanc all the time (15,000' peak). I'm going to assume he's pretty well altitude trained (and doesn't he have an altitude tent/mask as well?). Plus his Vo2max is like 90 (or so they say?). My Vo2max was 68 a few years ago.
What I don't understand is how the Ascent record of 2:01 was set as a mid race split in the marathon race? I mean, why didn't Matt just race an all out Ascent in like 1:59-1:58 ever then? All his pure Ascent races were like over 2:04-2:05. Again, it would be like if Kipchoge went out and ran a world record for the half marathon en route to a sub 2 hour marathon.
Congrats to all the runners and congrats to Kilian for the win - great meeting many of you out there!
Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er wrote:
I think he secretly (or not so secretly) hoped to get it. I've refrained from posting this up till now, but I'll throw this out for discussion - per Matt's online "pace calculator" for Pikes Peak, a runner trying to go 2:01:06 on the Ascent (his split) should split:
***Barr camp at 1:01+, and per irunfar coverage Kilian split 1:03+ (2ish back). No biggie - just keeping it close on the climb in order to nuke the descent was probably the plan anyway.
***A-FRAME (3 to summit) at 1:26+, and the 2 to summit sign at 1:38+. This is where things get murky, as we have no Kilian splits for either. However, irunfar was outposted at "the 10.7 mile mark", or roughly 2.5 to summit and had him at 1:34+. Doing the math, at record pace Kilian would have been there at 1:32+, so with only 2.5 left to the summit he was still just 2ish off, or holding his own. All is well.
***However, at the summit he split 2:09+, losing comparatively 6 min to record in just the final 2.5 miles (after having lost only 2 min in the first 10.7 miles).
Without any deeper analysis, such as barometric pressure, temperature, windspeed and the like, the simplest answer might be "the altitude got him". We all know Matt was an altitude beast who trained on those upper 3 miles more than anyone else in history - well perhaps it indeed paid off!
Pace calculator:
http://skyrunner.com/pace.htm

Sage,

Thanks for weighing in, as we assumed you would after the race.

Please clarify though whether you are somehow doubting that MC ran a legit 2:01/3:16, because I think people are starting to misquote you.

Thanks, and congrats again.

4 years ago 08/26/2019 7:05pm EDT

re: Smb

Smb, Sage is calling out why wouldn't have Carpenter gone full throttle for singular Ascent sub-2 rather than a mid-marathon Split. We are all asking that question and his analogy is spot-on. Can you imagine Kipchoge going 58:05 in his next marathon attempt?

4 years ago 08/26/2019 7:10pm EDT

re: REAL.

REAL. wrote:
Once again, ex-DI Runner, you continue to SPEAK for Matt Carpenter, when he is, in fact, alive and well selling ice cream on the side of the road while living in a van down by the river.
Stop speaking for Matt and stop insinuating what you think is real. You have no chops to talk. I just realized that on STRAVA I just got pushed out of Top 10 for all major segments. I have never raced Kilian, but I will NEVER assume to think what he feels or thinks.
Get Matt on a damn interview and talk to us. He is acting like he has something to hide. He is acting like he doesn't want to reveal a truth. I'm sure you could convince, him, ex-DI, since you say you basically live in the community, whereas many of us do not and only make the pilgrimage 1 x year.

LOL - re-read the thread! I don't live there, last time I was in Manitou was 2012 to see... ... that's right, Kilian break the record that time! I only met Matt yesterday for the first time briefly at the custard stand, and he makes a great custard for whatever that's worth,

"He is acting like he has something to hide. He is acting like he doesn't want to reveal a truth." Hmmm - now you're the one insinuating and "assuming to think what he feels or thinks". Exactly what has he done to hide? He did all kinds of interviews for local and national outlets back during his racing days. I'm all for somebody getting a fresh interview. I'm sure we'd all love to see that. Talk to him about it, not me.

4 years ago 08/26/2019 7:11pm EDT

re: S. Canaday

S. Canaday wrote:
"What I don't understand is how the Ascent record of 2:01 was set as a mid race split in the marathon race? I mean, why didn't Matt just race an all out Ascent in like 1:59-1:58 ever then? All his pure Ascent races were like over 2:04-2:05. Again, it would be like if Kipchoge went out and ran a world record for the half marathon en route to a sub 2 hour marathon."
For starters (and you already said so previously) breaking the half during the full isn't the best analogy, totally different kind of race. My theory is Matt just nuked it to the summit full tilt as if that was the finish line, hoping he'd be OK on the descent. It appears that's about what he did the year prior, but cratered from the effort leading to the accident/broken ribs. So he just trained harder in 93 and gunned it again. As far as strategies on Pikes Peak go, it really not that ridiculous given all the hindrances to going all out on the descent - heck that's kinda what I did when I ran it, and kinda what you did yesterday to keep a gap on Marc. So really, maybe it's his descent AFTER splitting 2:01 that should be seen as other most impressive thing? That he held form and blitzed that on the descent is amazing!

You can believe this or not, since it is second-hand and there are all kinds of Carpenter stories floating around town. But a friend who knows Matt said that sometimes he regrets not trying to break 2:00 because he was saving something for the downhill and certainly could have gone faster. This came out when they instituted that special prize purse for breaking 2 at the Ascent.

You can be sure that Matt didn't go all out to the summit, because he had too much planned out for that.

4 years ago 08/26/2019 7:18pm EDT

re: REAL.

REAL. wrote:
Once again, ex-DI Runner, you continue to SPEAK for Matt Carpenter, when he is, in fact, alive and well selling ice cream on the side of the road while living in a van down by the river.
Stop speaking for Matt and stop insinuating what you think is real. You have no chops to talk. I just realized that on STRAVA I just got pushed out of Top 10 for all major segments. I have never raced Kilian, but I will NEVER assume to think what he feels or thinks.
Get Matt on a damn interview and talk to us. He is acting like he has something to hide. He is acting like he doesn't want to reveal a truth. I'm sure you could convince, him, ex-DI, since you say you basically live in the community, whereas many of us do not and only make the pilgrimage 1 x year.

"Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er" acts in this tread as a self-appointed moderator telling others what is good or wrong, and yes, being a spokeperson for some other guys involved in the story. And yes, there's something weird about MC's personality. Personally, I believe his 3:16 is totally fake, or in a best case scenario, an error that MC never intended to correct.

4 years ago 08/26/2019 7:26pm EDT

re: REAL.

REAL. wrote:
Smb, Sage is calling out why wouldn't have Carpenter gone full throttle for singular Ascent sub-2 rather than a mid-marathon Split. We are all asking that question and his analogy is spot-on. Can you imagine Kipchoge going 58:05 in his next marathon attempt?

Pretty sure he did try that at least once, maybe more, I vaguely recall reading something about it back in the day. Of course it never happened, who knows why, weather, trail conditions, whatever. He used to maintain a daily blog (before Twitter/FB etc...), but seems to have given that up - who knows when, but I'm guessing when he quit competing. I only checked in on it once/twice a year to catch up on the latest - mostly just to see if he was going to be whipping my hindquarters at an upcoming race.

Here's another course record to bait the trolls.

http://live-raceresults.com/imogene/course-records/

Matt C. Imogene Pass 2:05 - people say the typical race result is spot on to your rad marathon time.

4 years ago 08/26/2019 7:40pm EDT

re: painful truth

painful truth wrote:
REAL. wrote:
Once again, ex-DI Runner, you continue to SPEAK for Matt Carpenter, when he is, in fact, alive and well selling ice cream on the side of the road while living in a van down by the river.
Stop speaking for Matt and stop insinuating what you think is real. You have no chops to talk. I just realized that on STRAVA I just got pushed out of Top 10 for all major segments. I have never raced Kilian, but I will NEVER assume to think what he feels or thinks.
Get Matt on a damn interview and talk to us. He is acting like he has something to hide. He is acting like he doesn't want to reveal a truth. I'm sure you could convince, him, ex-DI, since you say you basically live in the community, whereas many of us do not and only make the pilgrimage 1 x year.
"Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er" acts in this tread as a self-appointed moderator telling others what is good or wrong, and yes, being a spokeperson for some other guys involved in the story. And yes, there's something weird about MC's personality. Personally, I believe his 3:16 is totally fake, or in a best case scenario, an error that MC never intended to correct.

1) I started this thread, to discuss this year's race and Kilian's chance at the record

2) I haven't told others what's good or wrong - I obviously have hypothesized numerous theories, any of which could be right or wrong

3) He always seemed to march to the beat of his own drum - in a way somewhat similar to Greg LeMond. Not that unusual for elite athletes, or any historically famous figures, make of it what you want

4) Believe whatever you want about the record - that's on you. But on the Pikes Peak website, it's still the record

4 years ago 08/26/2019 7:41pm EDT

re: REAL.

REAL. wrote:
Smb, Sage is calling out why wouldn't have Carpenter gone full throttle for singular Ascent sub-2 rather than a mid-marathon Split. We are all asking that question and his analogy is spot-on. Can you imagine Kipchoge going 58:05 in his next marathon attempt?

I don't know, but maybe because he liked competing in the PPM better than the PPA? Maybe there was more prize money.

(And maybe that isn't really what Sage was saying.)

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