NY Times reports Alberto Salazar was banned by SafeSport for allegedly sexually assaulting an athlete twice while giving massage

Thanks for the clarity. If you have time or desire to respond a bit further...If no criminal charges are forthcoming, what are Salazar’s professional coaching options once his four-year WADA ban is complete? Could he move up the road to Vancouver, BC and set up a running group? Will he be free to coach non-US nationals anywhere in the world outside the States? Could an athlete hire him as a "lifestyle adviser" and remain eligible to compete at DL & international events (w/ Salazar absent)?

Truth is Here. wrote:

LOL @ all the mentally ill Trumpers/Antivaxxers rushing to this freakshow doper's defense. Make Raping Great Again!

"It was reported by duh librul media so it can't be troo!"

"Wur's duh video evidence of alberto fingering his athlete?"

"Duh women are just doing it because they want attention."

Bunch of sickos.

About as sick as seeing things that aren’t really there. Like taking the 2 or 3 posters and labeling all of the post.

The "mutilated understanding" is thinking that the liberal value "freedom of speech" is irrelevant to the actions of private entities. Private parties don't protect freedom of speech because they're under the mistaken impression that the First Amendment applies to them; they protect it because they value freedom of speech. And when people use their private power to censor speech, they reveal that they do not value that freedom.

If private landlords started requiring all their tenants to sign leases that allowed the landlord to enter their tenants' apartments at any time, without notice, to conduct inspections, that wouldn't violate the Fourth Amendment. But it would certainly violate the right that the Fourth Amendment is trying to protect: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures."

J.S. Mill (probably the single most influential thinker on free speech) explained this over 150 years ago.

ZZ wrote:

ruppgalen wrote:

People on this website get offended/ take things seriously way too quickly. I for one commented way earlier in this thread that AS is innocent until proving guilty simply to troll the morons that are going to get all riled up.

Sincerely, what is the point of that? It's not adding anything useful to the discussion, and by your own admission it's just stirring the pot. Since it doesn't contribute in any way, the only point I can see is that it somehow makes you feel important or powerful to affect the conversation that much.

I guarantee it's a lot more interesting to talk about actual thoughts and opinions, working through the unknowns and grey areas and adjusting your own views as you learn more, if you're ever inclined.

I think seeing peoples’ responses is funny 🤷🏼‍♂️

USATF did nothing about this because of their strong ties with Nike.

donkeydouglas wrote:

My point with that post, I guess, is to play devil's advocate and address the question of why he is so hands on by pointing out that ever since Gatlin popped Salazar has always been paranoid about others touching his athletes.

Interesting point.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

IDontBelieveIt wrote:

I'm with this.

Unless we suddenly have multiple reports of girls saying Alberto did this like happened with Cosby and Epstein and Nassar, I'm thinking the accuser's story is false. If you are a predator you don't just do it once.

You are a misogynistic ass and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Shame on you.

Hope you get accused. It's a valid point. These predators can't control themselves. Al Sal has been coaching fir decades and he does something like this once, years ago? Try using reason instead of name calling.

zxcvxzcvzxcv wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

You are a misogynistic ass and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Shame on you.

Hope you get accused. It's a valid point. These predators can't control themselves. Al Sal has been coaching fir decades and he does something like this once, years ago? Try using reason instead of name calling.

It's not a valid point. Not everyone who commits sexual assault is a repeat offender.

Alberto I’m guessing had to show a lot of restraint for many years and privacy being a god fearing man himself

zxcvxzcvzxcv wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

You are a misogynistic ass and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Shame on you.

Hope you get accused. It's a valid point. These predators can't control themselves. Al Sal has been coaching fir decades and he does something like this once, years ago? Try using reason instead of name calling.

I’ve been here long enough to know I’m not going to be able to convince this poster of anything, so why waste my time—but that doesn’t mean I’m not sometimes compelled to express my disgust.

“Hope you get accused.” Nice, good to see you’re big enough to stay above the fray and not stoop to something like my name calling.

The “reasoning” you’re using is that Salazar cannot be guilty of sexual assault because this case is not unraveling like those of Bill Cosby and Jeffrey Epstein, and until more (how many would it take to become believable to you?) accusers come forward, this woman must just be lying. I find that reasoning both so stupid and offensive that I don’t believe I could ever reason with you—you are too far gone.

If only this came out before the Nike supershoes doc. Would have loved to hear Malcom Gladwell explain how this could be true bc one time Alberto ran a marathon and didn’t take water.

These Pretzels wrote:

Very true. A few people have suggested the site isn't doing well financially considering the type of ads they have ("hot singles near you!") and their creation of a membership program. Not to mention their mutilated understanding of freedom of speech on a private message board.

Please try and stay on topic but since this thread is being read by a lot of people I will respond to your off topic post.

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Why on earth do you low iq loser males continue to defend him? Nothing he has done says he has done otherwise. You emotional man babies are hilarious to me. Have fun failing at life forever and blaming everyone else

Like Hank Snow, I'm movin' on wrote:

Thanks for the clarity. If you have time or desire to respond a bit further...If no criminal charges are forthcoming, what are Salazar’s professional coaching options once his four-year WADA ban is complete? Could he move up the road to Vancouver, BC and set up a running group? Will he be free to coach non-US nationals anywhere in the world outside the States? Could an athlete hire him as a "lifestyle adviser" and remain eligible to compete at DL & international events (w/ Salazar absent)?

This was discussed at length in the thread a few weeks ago about Salazar.

While Salazar is serving his doping ban, athletes under WADA's umbrella (so basically any USATF member or member of any NGB in any country) cannot train with him or they risk getting in trouble.

SafeSport bans do not have that same provision. There are no SafeSport punishments for athletes training with coaches ineligible because of SafeSport, though they could not use any USATF/USOPC money to pay that coach. The ban is that he cannot participate in anything under the USOPC's umbrella... for example, he cannot coach, compete, officiate, etc, at USATF sanctioned events, he could not register as a USATF club and get their insurance, etc. He is not prohibited from spectating at USATF events, but event organizers could kick him out if they want.

SafeSport only applies within the US, but I think if he tried to go to Canada, Athletics Canada would likely declare him ineligible from joining their organization. But if another country wanted to hire him, the SafeSport ban does not stop that from happening, unlike the doping ban.

There is nothing stopping him from being a HS coach, college coach, AAU coach, etc, other than I doubt any schools would hire him any time soon. No idea if AAU would care, they only care about money but this could be high profile enough that they would reject him, maybe. None of those organizations are obligated to honor SafeSport, nor do they care about protecting athletes, the main issue to them is the media publicity. But I doubt he would try to join an organization, if he wants to keep coaching, he'll probably just be a private coach.

Hold the phone! While you are absolutely correct that the other posters "reasoning" is waaay off because as someone said 'not everyone who commits sexual assault is a repeat offender'.... your absolute certainty that Salazar is guilty is actually almost as equally disturbing. While the majority of these type of accusations are true there are certainly many false ones. Please don't make me remind you of the many high-profile false rape or sexual assault accusations that have occurred over the last few years.

Yes Salazar's character is Shady but that does not mean for certain that he committed this act. None of us really know the details other than the basic claim. Women's Mantra of "always believe the Accuser" has come back to bite them in the butt when they themselves have been accused of sexual improprieties [ and then of course suddenly they were not singing That Tune]

This charge was not leveled in a court of law and he was not convicted Beyond A Reasonable Doubt.

I would not be surprised in the least if he is guilty but I would need to hear all the facts before coming to a determination on that. I recommend you do the same.

Shiba Inu wrote:

USATF did nothing about this because of their strong ties with Nike.

???

The allegations of abuse were made and the Center for SafeSport took jurisdiction over the case. Once the Center accepted jurisdiction, there wasn't anything USATF could have done. That's the whole point of having an independent organization dealing with cases like this.

The allegations around doping are USADA's jurisdiction, that is not anything USATF can investigate either.

I mean yes, Alberto was being a jerk at Indoors that one year, but I do not believe anyone ever filed a complaint about it, and that was before SafeSport was really a thing. My recollection is that at the time there was a Code of Conduct for coaches and I don't think USATF was going to enforce it without a complaint.

I mean if someone comes out later and says they reported abuse to USATF years ago and USATF failed to act, that is a different story, but we have no reason to think that ever happened. It is kind of hard to imagine an athlete reporting abuse by Salazar to USATF before the Center for SafeSport opened, given USATF and Nike's relationship.