Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread

Stop the lying wrote:

SOKLR wrote:

This is incorrect. Dr. Litton was in his office on Boston Marathon Monday. Scott and the writer know this as well.

I assume you live in the area as I do. I stopped by his office and it was closed.

Now, I'm not claiming he was in Boston, but he was NOT in his office.

Again, this is incorrect. It's not worth arguing with trolls. Scott knows the truth. I know the truth. The writer knows the truth.

Troll. If it were true, you would happily name a race that you've ran in the area and who you are...but you won't as you are another phoney. My proof is that his office was open on Monday, end of conversation.

wlkefmwelkw wrote:

Sounds good.... given JOKM's crazy prediction, do you think JOKM is Kip?

Just in case anyone didn't realize it, JOKM's prediction was just me having a little fun at his expense. I don't know if he's Kip, but he is definitely someone who is fun to make of. But enough of my "dribble" and on to the results.

The lovely Mrs. Flagpo...,er, dukerdog has selected one piece of paper from the three in the hat, and that paper reads...

dontdonate

dontdonate please use the entry form again and enter your email address as your prediction. Include a secret word and then post that on here so I know it's really you.

fun to make fun of.

Most of you know this already, but at Charlotte ThunderRoad, which Kip used to qualify for Boston, Kip waited a whole 5minutes to cross the starting line. The female winner (danielle crockford) was with a few people and a 3hr pacer. These people claim that kip never passed them but ended up in front of Danielle somewhere late in the race around mile 24. I know that this isn't so surprising as it's part of Kip's usual M.O.

But what's hilarious is that Danielle (woman's winner) passed Kip after Kippy came back on the course after his little cheating break. BUT KIP STILL Finished ahead of DANIELLE by a substantial margin BECAUSE OF THE ABSURD CHIP/GUN DIFFERENTIAL!. .......So, just so you understand, you have a dentist who cut the course, then hopped in ahead of the leading woman, got passed before the finish anyway by this woman, but then ended up ahead of her in the results because of waiting 5mins to cross the starting line. Kip is probably a good guy in other aspects of life , but if that's not behaving like a piece of shit, I don't know what is. And this was the race that earned him a chance to run 2012 BOSTON MARATHON, taking away a spot from a deserving person.

It really is embarrassing that as people we can drag this great man's name through the dirt. If that isn't disgusting, then I don't know what is.

:'(

right doer of right wrote:

Well put, but he didn't take a spot from a deserving person. If you qualify, you can go if you choose to.

Oh ok sorry...woops

Trollist, how did you do it? Not trying to drag you through the mud, just tell us how you did it, especially the 2:52 at 2010 Boston. What happpened at Wellesley? Is that where you made a move?

Thanks and you are a great man but you should explain what happened. It'll help us safeguard races

I'm not sure if you are new to this thread, but this has already been discussed several times.

smells rather fishy wrote:

Just so I understand this, he runs an open half in 1:28:14 (I don't believe the person on the bike part of it) in Maine a year and a half before he splits a marathon in 1:30:13 (1st half) and then a 1:22:45 (2nd half), at Bayshore!

He missed the half marathon mat at the 07' Free Press Marathon and his explanation is what?

Walking during 5k races. Using an alias. Cutting the Crim at around halfway?

Numerous runners who never saw this guy pass them in a race, yet he ends up i front of them.

Screwed up chip times that make no sense whatsoever.

Anyone ever hear of overwhelming circumstantial evidence?

I think the Maine half where he ran that 1:28 with a biker following him was more recent. The BayShore stuff was way back in 2009, wasn't it?

The fact that the women's leader passed him even after he hopped on this course? I have been in on this thread since pg1 and it wasn't until more recently that I realized this. The womens winner Danielle ran a. 2:59 and Kippy comes across in 3hrs gun time after getting passed by Danielle after a cheating break, but still beat a lot of people with a 2:55 net time in the results

I agree with the poster. Unless the biker is identified and comes forward, it's all innuendo and speculation. If I followed him I would be happy to say who I am and of course, I'd have pictures of some kind. Who's the RD and did they verify it? I too would not be so quick to believe it unless it is truly validated.

Trollist wrote:

It really is embarrassing that as people we can drag this great man's name through the dirt. If that isn't disgusting, then I don't know what is.

:'(

No.

i just checked

The Maine open half was October 3, 2010

Bayshore was May 23, 2009

i think he meant that they were close together and they were

Kirkaz wrote:

booooorrrrrriiiiiiinnnnnnggggg wrote:

I'm not sure if you are new to this thread, but this has already been discussed several times.

The fact that the women's leader passed him even after he hopped on this course? I have been in on this thread since pg1 and it wasn't until more recently that I realized this. The womens winner Danielle ran a. 2:59 and Kippy comes across in 3hrs gun time after getting passed by Danielle after a cheating break, but still beat a lot of people with a 2:55 net time in the results

And this bit of information helps how?

booooorrrrrriiiiiiinnnnnnggggg wrote:

Kirkaz wrote:

The fact that the women's leader passed him even after he hopped on this course? I have been in on this thread since pg1 and it wasn't until more recently that I realized this. The womens winner Danielle ran a. 2:59 and Kippy comes across in 3hrs gun time after getting passed by Danielle after a cheating break, but still beat a lot of people with a 2:55 net time in the results

And this bit of information helps how?

Actually it kinda does. He should have gotten screwed out of Boston, but The Charlotte ThunderRoad RD claimed that there were no formal complaints against Kip, but thats simply not true as there are a number of folks who claimed that kip cheated. It looks like The fckin RD at Charlotte didn't do anything about it except check the timing mats. Kip hit all of them though, so even though he got passed by a girl when he re-entered the course, he stayed within 5mins of her, so came out with the WIN when the computer spit out the final race results.

If you're going to cheat, you at least should make sure you're in good enough cardiovascular fitness to not get owned by a lady, and even then, show some respect by not finishing so close behind her as to beat her with your net time because you took 5 minutes to cross the starting line. Again, that's a real piece of shit thing to do to someone. He might be a good guy outside of that, but shitty behavior and a stupid RD at Charlotte without any balls.

Right on! The evidence is so over whelming that I don't get it. If he started that far back and really ran it (which he didn't), he would have been blowing by people for miles and miles and everyone would have remembered him. Of course, that didn't happen.

As Kirkaz points out, this is precisely the problem that the Kip Litton saga has revealed: RDs who won't exercise their authority to DQ runners who don't adhere to their published guidelines.

Back when I first got bothered about this situation in mid-2010, I called the majority of RDs from Kip's 2010 marathons. One had already DQ'd him (Deadwood), and two were in the process of investigating (Missoula and Delaware) and ended up DQing him shortly thereafter. Although the majority of the remainder of marathon RDs were either already suspicious or ended up dubious about the legitimacy of Litton's performances at their marathons, all were reluctant to DQ because they needed more than just missing timing mats, not showing up in the photos and not having a number showing.

Give me a break. With the incentive to cheat in meeting Boston QTs, RDs need to have the intestinal fortitude to use their authority.

I'm a bit pissed off and I apologize, but only because I'd love to see the Charlotte RD come on here and tell us what really happened. It sounds like he/she was afraid of liability/legal matters. I know we've got a number of witnesses, including the 3hr pace guide and the womans leader, who say that Kip had never passed them yet ended up in front of them late in the race. Same type of evidence that we have at Missoula that was enough for the DQ. Why wasn't it enough for the Charlotte race staff?

Kirkaz wrote:

He might be a good guy outside of that,

Not likely.