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7 years ago 08/24/2018 5:11pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
Dolittle wrote:
No, you sir are obsessed and live on this site. He who protests...
Ha! I sometimes am away for a day or two and then the calls are that I am afraid my predictions won't come true so I am hiding. Can't be both! This week has been a very entertaining week, so I am posting. I remain shocked that so many of you can still back Trump, so that has piqued my curiosity.
Just to give you a taste into the world of ol' Flagpole, today my day started at 2:30 a.m. as I had a meeting with an overseas client. I then went for a very early morning run. When my wife left for work, after having breakfast with her, I played the piano for about an hour and then my guitar for about a half hour. Then I mowed the yard and cleaned the downstairs bathroom.
Currently I am doing some load balance testing for a client and playing GemCraft while I listen to some Steve Windood and also read and reply here.
Later tonight, the Lovely Mrs. Flagpole and I will go out to dinner and then come home and probably watch something on Netflix. So, not really living on this site.

I guarantee that you will be logged into LR during your dinner & ignoring your wife. You LIVE here.

Mueller never

Clownpole forever

7 years ago 08/24/2018 5:21pm EDT

re: Rigged for Hillary

Rigged for Hillary wrote:
I guarantee that you will be logged into LR during your dinner & ignoring your wife. You LIVE here.
Mueller never
Clownpole forever

Really? That's all you got left?

Dude, just mail in your season - it's over.

7 years ago 08/24/2018 5:28pm EDT

re: The Gallant Pig Man

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
"Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father."
-John McCain, 1998
I respect certain things about McCain's life, especially when it comes to his time in captivity. But if you want people to understand the answer to the question of "how did we get here?" with regard to the rise of Trump and Republican authoritarianism, I don't think it is healthy to sanctify someone like John McCain and gloss over the damage he has helped cause. He should not be absolved from an honest accounting of his record just because he's not as crazy as the current crop of elected Republicans whom he helped usher in. But the entire Beltway media is going to do just that over the next few days, so I will continue to be a jerk on the internet.
1.) Again, his defending Obama against accusations of being an Islamic terrorist is a pretty low bar. And there is more to that story. McCain and his campaign: sent out a fundraising email portraying Obama as a friend of Hamas; put Sarah Palin in the spotlight and her go around the country claiming that Obama was palling around with terrorists; cited Obama's "long association with a domestic terrorist" in a defense of...McCain's healthcare plan; noted that Obama returned money from Palestinian donors during a speech and asked his audience to consider who the real Obama was; sent out flyers with a mugshot of William Ayers that read "terrorist, radical, friend of Obama." These were not so much dog whistles as they were sirens.
2. The WP article you cite does not do much for your case. He was unwilling to call Huma Abedin a Muslim Brotherhood conspirator? He defended the Khan family in the wake of Trump's indefensible remarks? He wasn't vindictive against Obama in his concession speech? I mean, that's all well and good but, again, these are all low bars. I don't think they reflect well on McCain so much as they reflect poorly on the current state of the Republican Party. The only example that had anything to do with policy was his support for the torture report release, which I already noted and appreciate.
The Vox article isn't much better. It notes that he spoke out against sending troops to Lebanan in the early 1980s. He also went and had a friendly meeting with Pinochet in Chile at a time when the guy was killing off political opposition and supporters of democracy. He supported the idea of US troops occupying Iraq for 100 years. He suggested we "bomb bomb bomb Iran." He was arguing for adding more troops to Afghanistan just last year. He recently helped block a measure that would restrict the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia in order to help them continue committing war crimes in Yemen. This list goes on and on.
It also points out he worked on legislation to push US energy towards renewables.... and then says he pulled the bill to fend off a potential primary challenge. It says he was against the Bush Tax Cuts, but he was a pretty consistent supporter of tax cuts on the wealthy and opponent of progressive tax increases in general. He voted for the Bush cuts extension in 2006, he voted to expand Reagan tax cuts in 1983, and he voted for the TCJA.
What about campaign finance? McCain-Feingold was a nice idea, but it was a total failure and (hopefully inadvertently) brought about the rise of the Super PACs due to the restrictions it placed soft money donations to political parties.
It's not that I hate McCain and think he's an evil person, but I find the over-the-top, fawning treatment he receives to be roughly as inappropriate as you might consider my speaking negatively of him while he's on his deathbed.

I hear you. McCain has always been "not too bad".

One of his most damaging legacies was his choice of Sarah Palin as a running mate. This played a significant role in the rise of the obvious moron as a presidential (vice presidential) candidate and the rise of alternate facts. She was in many ways Trump-Lite. Without Sarah Palin I'm not so sure we would ever have had the current moron in chief. And without McCain we would never have had Sarah Palin.

I have always found it ironic that McCain has drawn the ire of Trump and that McCain clearly despises Trump. Earth to McCain - YOU made Trump possible!

7 years ago 08/24/2018 5:29pm EDT

re: ayyyyyyy

ayyyyyy,

I said I was done for the weekend, but one more post and I wiil call it good. You said: “If you were a 72 McGovern fan what is your rationale? “

Pretty easy answer really: Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Iran, and don’t forget Ukraine. Obama/Hillary just added to the Bush mistakes. I am against the tax cuts for the wealthy and increased military spending. I would like to see most of our military bases in Europe, Asia and Middle East closed and troops brought home. We can destroy the world ten times over with less cost. The death and destruction knows no limits it seems, and I can find fault in both parties for that.

In regards to Trump being a criminal that remains to be judged. The self-enrichment and pay for play of the Clinton Foundation and Secretary Clinton has yet to be investigated by authorities. So I think your attempt to a draw black and white narrative lacks credibility.

In regards to my whiteness I would bet I have actually done far more work with minorities than you could imagine. I spent a third of my working life in education in predominantly hispanic communities in the Lower Rio Grande Vallet of Texas, which at the time was one of the poorest areas in the United States.

As far as women go I actually fought for women’s rights. I served as a regional representative for a women’s organization, My daughter recently received as an honor a state wide professional award. I don’t have to unjustly accuse others that I don’t know because I live a life of values.

Posters like you won’t use a registered handle. Instead you throw out your weak platitudes and dare someone with an opposing view to speak-up. You really have far less character than you espouse. If you feel strong about your convictions do something rather than being just another social justice warrior. Do something meaningful with your life rather than just talking about it.

I have and you can do it too.

Igy

7 years ago 08/24/2018 5:37pm EDT

re: Ghost of Igloi

7 years ago 08/24/2018 6:15pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
I voted for Trump as a lesser of two evils.
Igy
Fair stance. Would you vote for Trump again if he runs in 2020? Do you STILL think he's the lesser of two evils?

You're a joke Flagpole. Calling you biased would be a compliment.

Hillary was and is a lying crook who stole money. Not because she's a Democrat, but because of what she did.

For your only defense to be "she wasn't convicted" and "she was investigated" is weaker than a 2nd grade answer.

As someone with a brain on here said, Trump is under daily scrutiny for every move he makes, Hillary wasn't, nor was Bill.

Now, regardless of what happens with Trump, he's still a criminal. Well, so is Hillary. You've got to be a complete moron to not agree with that.

7 years ago 08/24/2018 6:16pm EDT

re: Noting It

Noting It wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
I guarantee that you will be logged into LR during your dinner & ignoring your wife. You LIVE here.
Mueller never
Clownpole forever
Really? That's all you got left?
Dude, just mail in your season - it's over.

Hi Flagpole!!!!!

7 years ago 08/24/2018 6:20pm EDT

re: Awsi Dooger

Awsi Dooger wrote:
I've mentioned this many times, the devastating demographic realities ahead for the GOP. That's why they had to lie and cheat and summon Russia in 2016, toward the Supreme Court and other variables. Republican voters are dying off every day and the younger generations eventually replacing them as dependable voters are more and more Democratic. Trump is only accelerating the situation with his sustained inept approval rating, which shoves the new registers even further away from his party and ideology:
https://www.metro.us/news/politics/70-percent-millennial-women-are-democrats-survey

Oh, you're links are valid and so are the sources. Interesting;)

The younger Democrats have had it and realize the freebie way of the lying liberals is going to ruin this country as more and more "free stuff" and "get into the country free cards" are passed out.

You and your link failed.

Trump won, Hillary had to resort to collusion with Russia (think Uranium you ignoramus).

Still so happy that she lost her butt less than 2 years ago, makes me smile more and more.

7 years ago 08/24/2018 6:22pm EDT

re: The Truth is Out There

The Truth is Out There wrote:
Lead QAnon conspiracy theorists invited to the White House. This is normal.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-in-oval-office-meets-promoter-of-qanon-conspiracy-theory-that-says-democrats-run-pedophile-cult

Sure, like Obama and his crap lies about Republicans. That was normal too.

7 years ago 08/24/2018 6:25pm EDT

re: The Gallant Pig Man

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Amen. We need more legislators like him on both sides of the aisle.
I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I just don't understand the urge to pretend that John McCain was some venerable force for good in American politics among centrists and Democrats. I wish McCain well in his final days, but I'm not about heap praise on the guy. With a few exceptions (his ACA repeal vote, his position on torture, and his unwillingness to call Obama an "Arab" in 2008), I don't see how he's significantly different than your average Republican.
He was one of the Iraq war's primary cheerleaders and was consistently a supporter of military force whenever the possibility arose somewhere else around the world. He was stridently anti-abortion (even stated his support for a constitutional amendment banning it). He was a big supporter of funding the Contras in Nicaragua back in the day. He did as much as anyone to pave the way for Trump by bringing Queen Dumdum aboard a truly nasty campaign which accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists", among other things. Before the 2016 elections, he explicitly stated that any Supreme Court nominee put forward by a President Hillary Clinton would blocked. He was a classic pro-corporate shill and had nothing to say about the completely unorthodox route the Republicans took to pass the TCJA, despite recently demanding Congress return to "normal order". The only Trump nominee McCain opposed was Mulvaney, whom he didn't like because of his desire to cut military spending. Again, with only one noteworthy exception (and voting against that atrocity of a healthcare bill really shouldn't have been a tough decision) he spoke out against Trump only to fall in line when it actually mattered. We need less of that, not more.

And how was Obama significantly different than your average Democrat? Reid? Pelosi? Willy? You?

Funny how you're so ignorant that you believe only your views are the gospel. You should be embarrassed.

7 years ago 08/24/2018 6:29pm EDT

re: statute of limitations

statute of limitations wrote:
agip wrote:
FP, one interesting idea is that the constitution may allow the president to be indicted by a grand jury...but not prosecuted until he steps down from the presidency.
that would fix the inevitable problem - the statute of limitations is generally five years, so a presidency can get a criminal past the statute of limitations, which doesn't seem fair.
So indict, and then have the trial after he steps down.
Seems to make sense to me.
The statute of limitations does not apply for tax evasion.

Again, I'm not an attorney, but I think it would play out like this in cases where a statute of limitations applies:

You just need to indict before the statute of limitations runs out. Filing an indictment is the key. So assuming the DOJ decides that the president can be indicted (but not tried) while in office, the indictment could be sealed until it is ready to be acted upon after leaving office.

In fact, it's possible that Trump has already been indicted and he doesn't even know it.

7 years ago 08/24/2018 6:31pm EDT

re: Fat hurts

Fat hurts wrote:
statute of limitations wrote:
The statute of limitations does not apply for tax evasion.
Again, I'm not an attorney, but I think it would play out like this in cases where a statute of limitations applies:
You just need to indict before the statute of limitations runs out. Filing an indictment is the key. So assuming the DOJ decides that the president can be indicted (but not tried) while in office, the indictment could be sealed until it is ready to be acted upon after leaving office.
In fact, it's possible that Trump has already been indicted and he doesn't even know it.

In fact, it's possible that he hasn't and never will, but Hillary has and doesn't know it.

7 years ago 08/24/2018 6:34pm EDT

re: Dooger Awsi

Rigged by JaminLoper are having a complete meltdown. Poor babies. Kicking and screaming like little baby Trump.

7 years ago 08/24/2018 6:37pm EDT

re: RiggedbyJaminLoper

RiggedbyJaminLoper wrote:
Rigged by Flagpoler are having a complete meltdown. Poor babies. Kicking and screaming like little baby Hillary who lost the election.

7 years ago 08/24/2018 6:38pm EDT

re: RiggedbyJaminLoper

RiggedbyJaminLoper wrote:
Rigged by JaminLoper are having a complete meltdown. Poor babies. Kicking and screaming like little baby Trump.

Fat hurts and Trollboy are TRIGGERED!!!!!!!!!

7 years ago 08/24/2018 6:41pm EDT

re: Fat hurts

Fat hurts wrote:
statute of limitations wrote:
The statute of limitations does not apply for tax evasion.
Again, I'm not an attorney, but I think it would play out like this in cases where a statute of limitations applies:
You just need to indict before the statute of limitations runs out. Filing an indictment is the key. So assuming the DOJ decides that the president can be indicted (but not tried) while in office, the indictment could be sealed until it is ready to be acted upon after leaving office.
In fact, it's possible that Trump has already been indicted and he doesn't even know it.

The statute of limitations never runs out on intentional tax fraud. For other IRS issues the statute of limitations that are three or six years. Here . . .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2017/02/09/irs-can-audit-6-tax-years-not-3-so-be-careful/

7 years ago 08/24/2018 6:48pm EDT

re: The Gallant Pig Man

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Amen. We need more legislators like him on both sides of the aisle.
I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I just don't understand the urge to pretend that John McCain was some venerable force for good in American politics among centrists and Democrats. I wish McCain well in his final days, but I'm not about heap praise on the guy. With a few exceptions (his ACA repeal vote, his position on torture, and his unwillingness to call Obama an "Arab" in 2008), I don't see how he's significantly different than your average Republican.
He was one of the Iraq war's primary cheerleaders and was consistently a supporter of military force whenever the possibility arose somewhere else around the world. He was stridently anti-abortion (even stated his support for a constitutional amendment banning it). He was a big supporter of funding the Contras in Nicaragua back in the day. He did as much as anyone to pave the way for Trump by bringing Queen Dumdum aboard a truly nasty campaign which accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists", among other things. Before the 2016 elections, he explicitly stated that any Supreme Court nominee put forward by a President Hillary Clinton would blocked. He was a classic pro-corporate shill and had nothing to say about the completely unorthodox route the Republicans took to pass the TCJA, despite recently demanding Congress return to "normal order". The only Trump nominee McCain opposed was Mulvaney, whom he didn't like because of his desire to cut military spending. Again, with only one noteworthy exception (and voting against that atrocity of a healthcare bill really shouldn't have been a tough decision) he spoke out against Trump only to fall in line when it actually mattered. We need less of that, not more.

I agree that McCain is terrible on the issues, especially on matters of war and peace.

But that shouldn't keep anyone from having the upmost respect for him and his service to our country.

When I said we need more like him on BOTH sides of the aisle, that's what I meant. No matter your views on the issues, if you serve the nation with honor, you have my respect.

7 years ago 08/24/2018 7:13pm EDT

re: Fat hurts

Fat hurts wrote:
But that shouldn't keep anyone from having the upmost respect for him and his service to our country.

Dude, that's utmost.

I realize that may only be a typo, and I usually let a typo go; but I've been seeing that particular solecism too often lately, and it's getting to me.

7 years ago 08/24/2018 7:35pm EDT

re: p.n.

0n second thought, that was not a typo. You're dipsh*t!

7 years ago 08/24/2018 7:39pm EDT

re: p.n.

p.n. wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
But that shouldn't keep anyone from having the upmost respect for him and his service to our country.
Dude, that's utmost.
I realize that may only be a typo, and I usually let a typo go; but I've been seeing that particular solecism too often lately, and it's getting to me.

^ grammar troll. The scum of the internet.

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