I. S. A. wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Ok, thanks, and you are correct, but I'd like to keep this thread about the horribleness that is Trump.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
I remember that thread too.
You totally smashed that guy.
He went home with his tail between his legs and now he's back claiming he was right?
Sheesh. Chalk it up to being a millennial, I guess.
Ok. Not my goal to "smash" anyone.
The main thing is...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
If Trump resigns with a deal before a lot of evidence about him goes public, he could go down as a martyr and keep hero status with his followers.
Stuck in the Mudd wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Is there any high-profile Trump supporter who isn't a huge a$$hole?
https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/23/media/paris-dennard-allegations-cnn/index.htmlWow- another huge coincidence I'm sure- Just a few days after embarrassing Phil Mudd on prime time TV, by implying that the security clearance outrage is incredibly misplaced, and that these former intelligence guys make money after leaving their agencies largely because of their clearances, all of a sudden CNN decides to look into something that Dennard has already been punished for back in 2014.
For those of you who didn't see it, go watch the video of Mudd vs Dennard. Mudd seriously becomes "unhinged", and keeps neglecting to answer Dennard's question. As Dennard states, everyone in DC (actually everyone everywhere) knows this is the case. It's just common sense, frankly. But Mudd flips out, and starts acting like he's aggressively interrogating Dennard, yelling "I'LL GIVE YOU ONE ANSWER!!- AND YOU'VE GOT 10 SECONDS!!" WTF?! Dennard keeps his cool the entire time, by the way. Mudd looked like a fool. Out of control mad men is what these former CIA/FBI leaders are when things aren't going their way.
So what do you know, now CNN thinks it's necessary to re-open interest into an incident in which Dennard was ultimately let go from at ASU. This is what Trump Derangement Syndrome does to you. You can't handle anything not going your way, you freak out for no reason, and then go to extremes to try to "be proven right" about something.
Sound familiar, Clownpole?
Mueller never.
Clownpole forever.
1) Phil was pretty mad, but Paris was pretty maddening.
2) It was actually Dennard who would not answer Phil. He answered by asking him a question.
3) Unclear how CNN came about this information. Perhaps a viewer tipped them off to it. Personally, I think that's a bit bush league, but I'm not against sexual harassers getting what's coming to them. Not shocking either. Birds of a feather.
Regarding the "Mueller never" comment, you are crazy to think that.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Awsi Dooger wrote:
Likewise I thought the National Enquirer goons would be the last to turn on Trump. After all, they were willingly manipulating one story after another throughout 2016 at the direction of Trump himself. When Trump felt threatened by Cruz, National Enquirer would take dictation from Trump and invent a hit piece on Cruz. And so forth. Throughout the fall also. The Enquirer was Trump's attack dog on command, and those genius white housewife shoppers were seeing the headlines and actually believing it was real.
Jeff Sessions just basically told Trump to shut up and understand how the government works. It was like scolding a petulant child. These Manafort and Cohen developments have finally emboldened some Republicans to wake up and speak up, although the vast majority of them remain petrified and silent.
After all, conservatives live in fear.
I actually never even considered that Pecker might flip on Trump. I suppose he was legally exposed. That's what you get for being a friend of Trump's -- legal exposure.
Trump is so screwed.
Trump loses, AGAIN! wrote:
Trump’s National Enquirer Allies Are the Latest to Defect
National Enquirer publisher David Pecker—a longtime ally of President Donald Trump—has essentially corroborated former Michael Cohen’s account that the president directed him to make illegal campaign contributions in 2016 to pay for the silence Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal.
Ho. Ly. Crap.
This is coming together a lot faster than I had anticipated. I'm definitely one of the "Never Pence" people, but now it's getting easier to see how that could happen. David Pecker granted immunity--oh, that's serious. The prosecutors just wouldn't have done that (he is party to a felony, according to Cohen's declaration under oath) unless they felt Pecker had something substantial. Wow. Wow.
I enjoyed this part from the linked story: "Trump, meanwhile, is struggling to develop a strategy to push back on the damaging headlines. . . . One source close to the White House said Trump is considering announcing he’s revoked additional security clearances to create a new story line. The source added that Trump is even considering taking clearances from former members of his administration, including former national security adviser H.R. McMaster and secretary of state Rex Tillerson."
[For those interested in why some of us are Never Pence, The New Yorker had a lengthy profile last year that gives some reasons. I'm particularly concerned with Pence's desire to impose his religion on the country and his terrible attitudes toward females and the non-straight--and with the notion that people would so embrace a President Pence, just out of relief, that he would be re-elected. By the end of his tenure, Trump/Pence choices would be something like half the federal judiciary.]
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/23/the-danger-of-president-penceL L wrote:
If Trump resigns with a deal before a lot of evidence about him goes public, he could go down as a martyr and keep hero status with his followers.
Perhaps. Another reason he might do it. I believe he will quickly lose the love from people when he's no longer in power though. A champion for a disenfranchised group of people can only be a champion if he has power.
Love this line:
"Pence, who has dutifully stood by the President, mustering a devotional gaze rarely seen since the days of Nancy Reagan, serves as a daily reminder that the Constitution offers an alternative to Trump. "
Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. wrote:
Trump loses, AGAIN! wrote:
Trump’s National Enquirer Allies Are the Latest to Defect
National Enquirer publisher David Pecker—a longtime ally of President Donald Trump—has essentially corroborated former Michael Cohen’s account that the president directed him to make illegal campaign contributions in 2016 to pay for the silence Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal.
Ho. Ly. Crap.
This is coming together a lot faster than I had anticipated. I'm definitely one of the "Never Pence" people, but now it's getting easier to see how that could happen. David Pecker granted immunity--oh, that's serious. The prosecutors just wouldn't have done that (he is party to a felony, according to Cohen's declaration under oath) unless they felt Pecker had something substantial. Wow. Wow.
I enjoyed this part from the linked story: "Trump, meanwhile, is struggling to develop a strategy to push back on the damaging headlines. . . . One source close to the White House said Trump is considering announcing he’s revoked additional security clearances to create a new story line. The source added that Trump is even considering taking clearances from former members of his administration, including former national security adviser H.R. McMaster and secretary of state Rex Tillerson."
[For those interested in why some of us are Never Pence, The New Yorker had a lengthy profile last year that gives some reasons. I'm particularly concerned with Pence's desire to impose his religion on the country and his terrible attitudes toward females and the non-straight--and with the notion that people would so embrace a President Pence, just out of relief, that he would be re-elected. By the end of his tenure, Trump/Pence choices would be something like half the federal judiciary.]
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/23/the-danger-of-president-pence
I understand that Pence is a cretin, but he has no power of persuasion like Trump does, and he just wouldn't be able to develop a Theocracy no matter how much he tried. His damage to America would be limited to any weird policies he might get some traction with, but he would not be one to challenge governmental norms like Trump does. He also would not continue to damage our relationships with our allies and he would not cozy up to dictators and strongmen around the world. Also, as far as we know, he's not the out of control criminal that Trump is.
As bad as Pence is, he's far better that Trump...FAR better.
I would hate to see Trump leave office early.
...If it meant that Roger Stone wouldn't get what's coming to him.
Trumpettes are NOT Americans!
Apparently there are tapes from other sources. That's why Pecker and others realize they are nailed, and it is best to cooperate with Mueller:
https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/1032690930275495936
huh. wrote:
I would hate to see Trump leave office early.
...If it meant that Roger Stone wouldn't get what's coming to him.
They are all going to get what's coming to them regardless of whether Trump leaves office early. The ONLY one that won't get as much as he should get is Trump himself. That's a shame. He is still going to be punished.
Today contains more clarity than anywhere we've been, IMO. When you've got Trump arguing against his own impeachment, desperately claiming it would plunge the stock market, it means he knows there has been a sea change. Trump also has very low energy compared to the typical blowhard high decibel style.
The Russia stuff is light years more significant but also light years more complex and difficult to tie together and prove. That's why many Republican insiders said they feared this Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels stuff. Very few moving parts. Catch one or two of them and it leads you toward the rest. Easy to pressure one or two locals to flip. Contrast to Russia, where there is overwhelming evidence, as detailed in David Corn/Michael Isikoff book Russian Roulette -- including Manafort on the cover -- along with countless investigative reports on MSNBC, but minus devastating taped evidence it's like finding pieces in a landfill. Besides, slightly more problematic to get Russians to flip as opposed to an old guy from the National Enquirer.
Page 1776 of this thread. The Trump Administration is the closest we've come to losing our democracy since we were an English colony. It would be fitting to be free from Trump on this page.
zx wrote:
Page 1776 of this thread. The Trump Administration is the closest we've come to losing our democracy since we were an English colony. It would be fitting to be free from Trump on this page.
It would also be an appropriate place for Trumpers to admit that they were wrong about Trump. He's going down.
Any of you Trumpers still feeling froggy? Don't let it bother you that I am on the path to being proven right. You just backed the wrong horse. No sensible person can look at Trump and what he's done and how he has conducted himself in office and believe he is innocent and a decent person.
I was a fan of Al Franken and am no longer, because he was proven to be a hypocrite and a pig. It is OK for you to lose your respect and fandom for someone based on their behavior.
It is beyond time for you to admit that about Trump. He's a serial liar, a traitor, and a criminal.
Enter the righteous tent...it is where anyone with any shred of dignity belongs.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done. Oh, and I will still give you naysayers the I Told You So that you deserve, but again, I will be nice about it because I am righteous yet kind.
Flagpole wrote:
zx wrote:
Page 1776 of this thread. The Trump Administration is the closest we've come to losing our democracy since we were an English colony. It would be fitting to be free from Trump on this page.
It would also be an appropriate place for Trumpers to admit that they were wrong about Trump. He's going down.
Any of you Trumpers still feeling froggy? Don't let it bother you that I am on the path to being proven right. You just backed the wrong horse. No sensible person can look at Trump and what he's done and how he has conducted himself in office and believe he is innocent and a decent person.
I was a fan of Al Franken and am no longer, because he was proven to be a hypocrite and a pig. It is OK for you to lose your respect and fandom for someone based on their behavior.
It is beyond time for you to admit that about Trump. He's a serial liar, a traitor, and a criminal.
Enter the righteous tent...it is where anyone with any shred of dignity belongs.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done. Oh, and I will still give you naysayers the I Told You So that you deserve, but again, I will be nice about it because I am righteous yet kind.
Dear God you are one pompous human being. How much more arrogant can someone be? You're not right or wrong at this point, you're simply guessing and hoping you are right.
RED means STOP wrote:
Dear TRUMP you are one pompous human being. How much more arrogant can someone be? You're not right or wrong at this point, you're simply guessing and hoping you are right.
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RED means STOP wrote:
RED means STOP wrote:
Dear Flagpole, you are one pompous human being. How much more arrogant can someone be? You're not right or wrong at this point, you're simply guessing and hoping you are right.
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Hi Flagpole!
RED means STOP wrote:
RED means STOP wrote:
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Hi Flagpole!
Yes, this time I did use a different handle, but stop calling me arrogant...I'm just full of myself.
Signed,
Flagpole
RED means STOP wrote:
RED means STOP wrote:
Dear Hillary, you are one pompous human being. How much more arrogant can someone be? You're not right or wrong at this point, you're simply guessing and hoping you are right. Still glad you lost!
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