I know Gary has probably given up on this point, but in light of today's news, it is in fact legal for attorney-client privilege to be nulled when the communications are used to further a crime, tort, or fraud (if Cohen has any evidence of such wrongdoing is another matter), so Cohen taking a plea deal is not necessarily "the death of our legal system" as Gary previously suggested in typical fatalistic form (although it remains to be seen what he actually has on Trump).
Flagpole wrote:
douglas burke wrote:
President Trump will be President until January 20th 2025, And Then we will have President Jim Jordan until January 20th 2033, Jim Jordan was a 2 time NCAA Wrestling Champion at Wisconsin.
Umm...no.
Jim Jordan is an Ohio embarrassment. When all this Trump stuff hits the fan (and it will), he will be one of those Republicans whose reputation is forever sullied as a result of him backing Trump so staunchly. Devin Nunes and Matt Gaetz are a couple of others. There will be a few more too.
Jim Jordan is small, but I bet he can beat Shaun King or Tim Wise or even Bill DeBlasio in a Wrestling match or even a real fight. 3 Democrats
Manafort guilty on 8 counts.
Mistrial on 10 counts.
No not guilty verdicts.
Going to jail.
Or pardon?
L L wrote:Manafort guilty on 8 counts.
Mistrial on 10 counts.
No not guilty verdicts.
Going to jail.
Or pardon?
Flagpole has a big bone right now. He probably hasn’t been this excited in years.
Is it just me? Or do four people in jail make this sound like not a witch hunt?
L L wrote:
Manafort guilty on 8 counts.
Mistrial on 10 counts.
No not guilty verdicts.
Going to jail.
Or pardon?
Hmmm . . . the judge asked the jury to keep deliberating. The cost of these types of trials is bigly enormous. It looks like the jury copped out and decided to let a different jury deal with any mistrial counts at a later date. It seems the jury is more worried about coming attacks from right-wing Trumpers than in doing what a jury is supposed to do. But, maybe splitting the trails into multiple parts is the best way to protect yourself from rabid Trumpers.
FitzyXC wrote:
I know Gary has probably given up on this point, but in light of today's news, it is in fact legal for attorney-client privilege to be nulled when the communications are used to further a crime, tort, or fraud (if Cohen has any evidence of such wrongdoing is another matter), so Cohen taking a plea deal is not necessarily "the death of our legal system" as Gary previously suggested in typical fatalistic form (although it remains to be seen what he actually has on Trump).
Where is Gary this week? In a bunker? Therapy? A therapy bunker? Or just brooding with cronies and mapping out a set of elaborate and unfounded theories.
Typical Trumper. Cannot search major news on their own. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/manafort-jury-suggests-it-cannot-come-to-a-consensus-on-a-single-count/2018/08/21/a2478ac0-a559-11e8-a656-943eefab5daf_story.html Or, your personal preference. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/21/jury-announces-partial-verdict-in-manafort-trial-cannot-decide-on-several-counts.html
Source please? wrote:
L L wrote:Manafort guilty on 8 counts.
Mistrial on 10 counts.
No not guilty verdicts.
Going to jail.
Or pardon?
Cohen admits to working “at direction of the candidate” Trump and national enquirer to silence Karen McDougal. He also admits to Stormy Daniels payment that he made “with and at direction of the same candidate.”
agip wrote:
Cohen admits to working “at direction of the candidate” Trump and national enquirer to silence Karen McDougal. He also admits to Stormy Daniels payment that he made “with and at direction of the same candidate.”
That candidate must be a witch.
Flagpole wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
There is one thing Flagpole has been saying that it not strictly true. He says accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.
If you accept a pardon, there is no requirement that you admit guilt. Nobody forces you to actually admit to anything.
In fact, even a dead person can be pardoned, as in the recent case of boxer, Jack Johnson. The pardon did not require a seance to become legal.
You have to accept guilt to receive a pardon BEFORE a criminal judgement has been delivered. If you take a pardon after being found guilty, then you were already proven guilty in a court of law.
No, you don't. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires you to admit guilt at any time to receive a pardon. That's simply false.
A bigly meltdown is brewing. Trump will not sleep tonight. He might have to start his 4-day golf-weekend a day early this week; more time to tweet the days away.
Michael Cohen:
"I am an admitted felon and the sitting president was my co-conspirator."
That summarizes today as well as anything else, and none of it is surprising in the least.
Donald Trump will be an all-time traitor and considered one of the worst Americans of all time. That is hardly opinion. It logically shakes out that way over time, as more and more revelations are made and the truth is crystal. Even Joseph McCarthy still had defenders in the late '50s not long after those congressional hearings.
We elected a lowlife human being and 42% of Americans view him favorably. That demonstrates the current mindset of white scared older America. Fortunately the younger generations are mostly immune to the lies and deceit.
Fat hurts wrote:
You have to accept guilt to receive a pardon BEFORE a criminal judgement has been delivered. If you take a pardon after being found guilty, then you were already proven guilty in a court of law.
No, you don't. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires you to admit guilt at any time to receive a pardon. That's simply false.[/quote]
You are not correct. The US Constitution states: … he [the President] shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
There has to be an offense against to US first.
Keep in mind, with all Trumps supposed “illegal actions” he’s never been convicted of anything illegal. He will also not be found to have done anything illegal by Mueller either
He is although an absolutely amoral creep
Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:
Flagpole has a big bone right now. He probably hasn’t been this excited in years.
As excited as I get when the sun comes up...this was expected. So, I was right about Manafort. I was right about Cohen (he is pleading guilty today), and I will be proven right about Trump. I will not be exited about it...just correct.
U LAZY Arse wrote:Typical Trumper. Cannot search major news on their own. ]
I asked for corroboration and you concluded I’m a Trumper? I was excited by the news and couldn’t confirm it right away, as I don’t live in the US and the online papers are slow to update.
XY wrote:
Keep in mind, with all Trumps supposed “illegal actions” he’s never been convicted of anything illegal. He will also not be found to have done anything illegal by Mueller either
He is although an absolutely amoral creep
Trump will be found guilty of tax evasion and bank fraud.
maybe not by mueller, maybe by NY State.