Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Nothingburger on wry wrote:

So what are the implications of Cohen presumably taking a guilty plea and turning himself in to the FBI? Is this forced intimidation by the so called deep state? Or is there a there in there?

They have him dead to rights, and Cohen knows it. There is no Deep State. He is taking a guilty plea because he knows he is guilty, and he is doing his best to show contrition (whether he has it or not) and is cooperating in hopes of getting a lesser sentence.

T. Savage wrote:

If you read his (and others on this thread) posts, it's quite apparent that discourse is not his goal. He spews psuedo-facts like Hannity does for the "other side."

Incorrect! I NEVER spew a "pseudo-fact" (notice I spelled it correctly). I give hard facts and then predictions based on what I see. Got an example of a "pseudo-fact" that I have given?

Fat hurts wrote:

There is one thing Flagpole has been saying that it not strictly true. He says accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.

If you accept a pardon, there is no requirement that you admit guilt. Nobody forces you to actually admit to anything.

In fact, even a dead person can be pardoned, as in the recent case of boxer, Jack Johnson. The pardon did not require a seance to become legal.

Also, to accept a pardon, while you DO have to admit guilt, a dead person can not accept a pardon...it can just be bestowed upon him. Living person who accepts a pardon though...yep, admission of guilt as determined by Burdick v. United States.

Hello boys.

Just dropped in to update on the most corrupt administration in at least a century.

ICYMI.

https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/1031970603748786176

Michael Cohen pleading guilty to multiple counts of campaign finance, tax fraud and bank fraud.

Appears in court at 4:00. Expected he will ask for a plea deal.

Trump should have been nicer to him. might not have made a difference, but it couldn't have hurt.

You Trump apologists and guilt deniers are so wrong.

Trump is going down.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

They are all guilty, and far beyond anything we'll ever learn. The difference is that like Watergate a few of them will have enough class and decency to come forward for the sake of historical record and their own reputation, like John Dean did, or at least plead guilty like Michael Cohen has done. It remains to be seen how forthright Cohen will be regarding atrocities by Donald Trump and others involved in the campaign and administration.

Donald Trump is a lifelong liar and cheat with not one decent quality. He will go down in history as one of the worst Americans of all time. Finally the comparisons to Joseph McCarthy are being made, including a long segment last night on CNN in which David Gergen made all the devastating comparisons to the McCarthy era, while calling McCarthy one of the most despicable Americans of all time. Donald Trump cannot escape that type of treatment by history, not with his Roy Cohn connections and the avalanche of lies, not to mention all the comical Orwellian contributions like alternative facts and truth isn't the truth and everything you are seeing and hearing is not what is happening.

Ignoring everything else, can you imagine how future centuries will treat that trifecta of comments alone? It will be a laugh track, with absolute disbelief the guy was ever elected, or could have had cronies who would throw those rationalizations into the mainstream.

As I pointed out the other day, the pro-Trump deflections and apologies here and elsewhere mean absolutely nothing. They are not arguments. They are little people desperately clinging to their people like the last branch on the way down.

That is what conservatism has become in the Donald Trump era. But it was always inevitable, given all the laughable qualities of conservatism to begin with. When a television celebrity can wave fear and a birth certificate in front of the audience and transfix half of the party, that defines the caliber of the party and members of the party and priorities of the party beyond the scope of any other vehicle.

Cohen is looking for 3 years in prison while prosecutors are seeking 50 months.

Based on what he was facing, that's not horrible, and it gives a glimpse into what his plea deal may include against Trump.

You Trumpers still feeling froggy? You shouldn't be.

Nothingburger on wry wrote:

So what are the implications of Cohen presumably taking a guilty plea and turning himself in to the FBI? Is this forced intimidation by the so called deep state? Or is there a there in there?

Criminal acts are criminal acts. Commit them and go to jail. It is as simple as that.

Yep! I saw this coming down Fifth Avenue over a year ago which is why I made the declaration that Mueller was coming and that Trump is done. Trump is not just a corrupt politician. He is the KING of corrupt politicians in the US, and he will be remembered as that until someone appears who is more corrupt. I can't imagine how that could be, but time is infinite, so who knows.

I get no thrill in being so right. I would have a much greater thrill if more people would learn from this experience after having the wool pulled over their eyes by a charlatan.

The Emperor's New Clothes, "these aren't the droids you're looking for"...Trump world is those and then some.

Ask yourself "why the firings occurred". They don't happen for no reason. They did bad things. They did bad things in concert with each other. They did bad things in concert with each other FOR one political campaign and AGAINST another political campaign. There's a boatload of evidence proving it now (even redacted- LOL), and more is being added each week.

Also- On your first attempted point, you're wrong. Know why? Because your mind is closed from the facts.

On your second point, you're wrong. Comey was recommended to be fired by the AG and Deputy AG.

You're a fool. The floodgates have opened, and the evidence is flowing out.....

leadership is being chopped as a result of it showing the conspiracy against the Trump campign.....

.....and you still have ZERO indictments for Russian Colllluuuuusssssssion.

Mueller absolutely never.

Clownpole forever.

Cohen Has Plea Deal Over Hush Money Paid on Trump’s Behalf

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/nyregion/michael-cohen-plea-deal-trump.html

Flagpole wrote:

Stenson wrote:

What are you going to declare victory over?

That I was right about two main things:

1) I was right that Trump would not win the 2016 election for cheaters can not win (see Olympic gold medalists who are stripped of their medals when caught cheating).

2) That Mueller was indeed coming and that Trump was not innocent and would not escape this ordeal scot-free. He will be discovered for who he is, and he will be punished.

1) The attempted cheater (Hillary) already lost. So I guess you're already right there.

2) Things aren't looking good for you at the moment.

I meant to type ...

Ooops wrote:

Things aren't looking good for TRUMP at the moment.

Ooops wrote:

I meant to type ...

Ooops wrote:

Things aren't looking good for TRUMP at the moment.

President Trump will be President until January 20th 2025, And Then we will have President Jim Jordan until January 20th 2033, Jim Jordan was a 2 time NCAA Wrestling Champion at Wisconsin.

Dude, wool is still over your eyes. I have been over all of this with others on this thread, and so even though I type well over 100 words per minute, I don't feel like rehashing it with you. Trump fired Comey because of Russia. He said so on video, clear as day. he said he was going to do it regardless of any recommendation.

You will see how this all plays out, and it will be as I've said...Trump will pay for his crimes. I will be proven right as I've known since I first declared that Mueller was coming.

You will declare Deep State or victimization or some other nonsense, but justice will be served. Donald Trump is a criminal. He has aligned himself with criminals most of his adult life. He has continued criminal and unethical behavior while in the White House.

Indictments for collusion (conspiracy) with Russia are coming. Trump has already admitted Don Jr. did it (nice to throw your idiot son under the bus, but that's about right coming from him). Weird that you cling to the fact that nothing has happened yet. When you're in the middle of a mile long train tunnel and the train is coming and there's not enough room on either side, it's too late. It's too late for Trump. The train is coming.

No conspiracy against the Trump campaign. You need to stop watching most of Fox News.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Ooops wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

That I was right about two main things:

1) I was right that Trump would not win the 2016 election for cheaters can not win (see Olympic gold medalists who are stripped of their medals when caught cheating).

2) That Mueller was indeed coming and that Trump was not innocent and would not escape this ordeal scot-free. He will be discovered for who he is, and he will be punished.

1) The attempted cheater (Hillary) already lost. So I guess you're already right there.

2) Things aren't looking good for you at the moment.

1) Ah Hillary...nice attempt at deflection. She isn't the President. Trump is, and he was involved in a conspiracy to help him get there. Can't do that.

2) Things don't need to be looking good for me as I am not on trial. I simply look at the facts and the actors involved. Trump is a criminal. The circle is closing in on him. You are delusional if you believe otherwise.

douglas burke wrote:

Ooops wrote:

I meant to type ...

President Trump will be President until January 20th 2025, And Then we will have President Jim Jordan until January 20th 2033, Jim Jordan was a 2 time NCAA Wrestling Champion at Wisconsin.

Umm...no.

Jim Jordan is an Ohio embarrassment. When all this Trump stuff hits the fan (and it will), he will be one of those Republicans whose reputation is forever sullied as a result of him backing Trump so staunchly. Devin Nunes and Matt Gaetz are a couple of others. There will be a few more too.

Jury says they have come to agreement on 8 of the 18 counts against Manafort.

Um, seriously?? People only get fired for doing "baaad things" ?? WRONG. People get fired all the time for not anything wrong, but simply because their boss didn't like them. Sometimes they get fired because they did GOOD things that went against their boss's goals. Are you that naive?? Trump can fire anyone who works for him, any time he wants. And Comey was fired, supposedly (even according to Trump) for going against bureau procedures when announcing the various stages (no charges at first, then re-opening of investigation, etc) of the H. Clinton investigation, which HURT Clinton in the end. So so much for your "bad things for one party AGAINST the other." Nope.

(well, of course Trump REALLY fired him because of "that Russian thing." )

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WRONG. It's called a "PURGE" dummy, look it up.

I love how you unabashedly use the word conspiracy and hoax in every other sentence. It's the only you can defend Trump: IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!