Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:
Interesting to see what he will get. The defense attorney for whatever reason seems fairly confident.
CONfident that tRump will pardon Manafort—tRump already "privately" confirmed that with the defense attorney, which is why they did not provide a defense. Trump has rigged the trial—the defense telegraphed that out.
Silly Willy wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Oh how far Rudy has fallen. From respected former United States Attorney and beloved NYC mayor to a Donald Trump stooge, bumbling every television interview.
It doesn't matter what the Trump administration throws up. A lie is still a lie, and if he is ever charged with Perjury, that has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so this idea that it's just a he said she said from Giuliani is bogus.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams
Yes, facts are stubborn things. Like the FACT that there hasn't been a single indictment for Russia-Trump campaign collluuuuusssssion, and it's becoming more and more clear that the probe has come up empty on this hoax against President Trump. (This, right in the face of your deeply passionate inclinations- LOL)
But an even more stubborn set of FACTS that you, and CNN/MSNBC/etc are intentionally ignoring, are those that are being dropped on us every week or so, which uncover the DOJ/FBI conspiracy against the Trump campaign and presidency. These are FACTS. We have all the text messages, all the emails, all the faked FISA documents. We know Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page let HRC off the hook before the investigation even started. We know Strzok and Page believed the setup against Trump would be enough to "stop him" from the WH. And they had a back-up "insurance policy", of course. We know John Brennan was one of the originators of the Russia colluuuuusssion hoax, and went to Harry Reid to help him try to stop Trump. We know that they spied on the Trump campaign on a false dossier paid for by the DNC/HRC campaign (and possibly also the FBI itself!). We know that Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page-Ohr-Ohr-Steele intended to sow suspicion in the eyes of the public to hurt Trump before and then after the election. But, not surprisingly, these career government employees couldn't execute if their life depended on it. They failed in their swampy attempt. FACT.
With Ohr's fate now imminent, that'll bring us up to 15 (!!) leadership roles in the DOJ/FBI that have been fired or forced to resign (by recommendation of the respective internal committee). That is a FACT. Ohr was "worried about Comey's firing", and that "they'd be exposed." LOL!! Should have thought of that before attempting to undermine democracy, you morans!! Btw- I like how the pattern is for the individuals to first be demoted to some garbage job (remember Strzok got demoted to HR?? LOL), in hopes that it flies under the radar after a while. In 2017, Ohr was demoted from Lead of the Counternarcotics dept to a position where he dealt with "lesser legal matters." Even the NYT received a "no response" when asked why he was demoted.
Meanwhile, Trump followed through on his promise to be the most transparent administration in history, by allowed the WH Counsel to talk directly to Mueller as much as needed, for 9 months now. Over 30 hours worth of interviews, and Mueller has not changed his position that Trump is NOT a target of the investigation, AND McGahn stated that he "never saw the President go beyond his legal authorities."
Most intelligent Liberals (yes, there are some) are starting to see the light here. The compromise on all of this for the intel community to save a little face is to maintain that Russia "meddled", but did not collude. You need to yank your head out of the sand and see what's really going on here.
Mueller never.
Clownpole forever (as he apparently wants it to be).
The only thing real about you is your delusion.
Trump will be found guilty of:
Obstruction of justice
Money laundering
Conspiracy, though if he's lucky he might be named as an unindicted co-conspirator, but that still makes him part of the conspiracy.
Bank fraud and/or wire fraud
Emoluments violation
Felony campaign finance violation
Being orange
Other things
He's a criminal of mob proportions, and he will be held accountable.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
CON-fident wrote:
Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:
Interesting to see what he will get. The defense attorney for whatever reason seems fairly confident.
CONfident that tRump will pardon Manafort—tRump already "privately" confirmed that with the defense attorney, which is why they did not provide a defense. Trump has rigged the trial—the defense telegraphed that out.
This is likely unless somehow this adds to an obstruction of justice charge for Trump.
IF Manafort is pardoned, the following things are true:
1) He admits he is guilty. You have to accept guilt to receive a pardon.
2) Mueller will have proven his effectiveness by getting the guilty verdict.
3) A slow eroding of support for Trump will continue.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Silly Willy wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Oh how far Rudy has fallen. From respected former United States Attorney and beloved NYC mayor to a Donald Trump stooge, bumbling every television interview.
It doesn't matter what the Trump administration throws up. A lie is still a lie, and if he is ever charged with Perjury, that has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so this idea that it's just a he said she said from Giuliani is bogus.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams
Yes, facts are stubborn things. Like the FACT that there hasn't been a single indictment for Russia-Trump campaign collluuuuusssssion, and it's becoming more and more clear that the probe has come up empty on this hoax against President Trump. (This, right in the face of your deeply passionate inclinations- LOL)
But an even more stubborn set of FACTS that you, and CNN/MSNBC/etc are intentionally ignoring, are those that are being dropped on us every week or so, which uncover the DOJ/FBI conspiracy against the Trump campaign and presidency. These are FACTS. We have all the text messages, all the emails, all the faked FISA documents. We know Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page let HRC off the hook before the investigation even started. We know Strzok and Page believed the setup against Trump would be enough to "stop him" from the WH. And they had a back-up "insurance policy", of course. We know John Brennan was one of the originators of the Russia colluuuuusssion hoax, and went to Harry Reid to help him try to stop Trump. We know that they spied on the Trump campaign on a false dossier paid for by the DNC/HRC campaign (and possibly also the FBI itself!). We know that Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page-Ohr-Ohr-Steele intended to sow suspicion in the eyes of the public to hurt Trump before and then after the election. But, not surprisingly, these career government employees couldn't execute if their life depended on it. They failed in their swampy attempt. FACT.
With Ohr's fate now imminent, that'll bring us up to 15 (!!) leadership roles in the DOJ/FBI that have been fired or forced to resign (by recommendation of the respective internal committee). That is a FACT. Ohr was "worried about Comey's firing", and that "they'd be exposed." LOL!! Should have thought of that before attempting to undermine democracy, you morans!! Btw- I like how the pattern is for the individuals to first be demoted to some garbage job (remember Strzok got demoted to HR?? LOL), in hopes that it flies under the radar after a while. In 2017, Ohr was demoted from Lead of the Counternarcotics dept to a position where he dealt with "lesser legal matters." Even the NYT received a "no response" when asked why he was demoted.
Meanwhile, Trump followed through on his promise to be the most transparent administration in history, by allowed the WH Counsel to talk directly to Mueller as much as needed, for 9 months now. Over 30 hours worth of interviews, and Mueller has not changed his position that Trump is NOT a target of the investigation, AND McGahn stated that he "never saw the President go beyond his legal authorities."
Most intelligent Liberals (yes, there are some) are starting to see the light here. The compromise on all of this for the intel community to save a little face is to maintain that Russia "meddled", but did not collude. You need to yank your head out of the sand and see what's really going on here.
Mueller never.
Clownpole forever (as he apparently wants it to be).
That one is going to leave a mark on Flagpole's hiney.
Flagpole wrote:
Silly Willy wrote:
Yes, facts are stubborn things. Like the FACT that there hasn't been a single indictment for Russia-Trump campaign collluuuuusssssion, and it's becoming more and more clear that the probe has come up empty on this hoax against President Trump. (This, right in the face of your deeply passionate inclinations- LOL)
But an even more stubborn set of FACTS that you, and CNN/MSNBC/etc are intentionally ignoring, are those that are being dropped on us every week or so, which uncover the DOJ/FBI conspiracy against the Trump campaign and presidency. These are FACTS. We have all the text messages, all the emails, all the faked FISA documents. We know Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page let HRC off the hook before the investigation even started. We know Strzok and Page believed the setup against Trump would be enough to "stop him" from the WH. And they had a back-up "insurance policy", of course. We know John Brennan was one of the originators of the Russia colluuuuusssion hoax, and went to Harry Reid to help him try to stop Trump. We know that they spied on the Trump campaign on a false dossier paid for by the DNC/HRC campaign (and possibly also the FBI itself!). We know that Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page-Ohr-Ohr-Steele intended to sow suspicion in the eyes of the public to hurt Trump before and then after the election. But, not surprisingly, these career government employees couldn't execute if their life depended on it. They failed in their swampy attempt. FACT.
With Ohr's fate now imminent, that'll bring us up to 15 (!!) leadership roles in the DOJ/FBI that have been fired or forced to resign (by recommendation of the respective internal committee). That is a FACT. Ohr was "worried about Comey's firing", and that "they'd be exposed." LOL!! Should have thought of that before attempting to undermine democracy, you morans!! Btw- I like how the pattern is for the individuals to first be demoted to some garbage job (remember Strzok got demoted to HR?? LOL), in hopes that it flies under the radar after a while. In 2017, Ohr was demoted from Lead of the Counternarcotics dept to a position where he dealt with "lesser legal matters." Even the NYT received a "no response" when asked why he was demoted.
Meanwhile, Trump followed through on his promise to be the most transparent administration in history, by allowed the WH Counsel to talk directly to Mueller as much as needed, for 9 months now. Over 30 hours worth of interviews, and Mueller has not changed his position that Trump is NOT a target of the investigation, AND McGahn stated that he "never saw the President go beyond his legal authorities."
Most intelligent Liberals (yes, there are some) are starting to see the light here. The compromise on all of this for the intel community to save a little face is to maintain that Russia "meddled", but did not collude. You need to yank your head out of the sand and see what's really going on here.
Mueller never.
Clownpole forever (as he apparently wants it to be).
The only thing real about you is your delusion.
Trump will be found guilty of:
Obstruction of justice
Money laundering
Conspiracy, though if he's lucky he might be named as an unindicted co-conspirator, but that still makes him part of the conspiracy.
Bank fraud and/or wire fraud
Emoluments violation
Felony campaign finance violation
Being orange
Other things
He's a criminal of mob proportions, and he will be held accountable.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Let me get this right. You think Trump will be found GUILTY of of that whole list?
I'm as liberal-leaning as they get and I think you are delusional if you think that.
Flagpole wrote:
Silly Willy wrote:
Yes, facts are stubborn things. Like the FACT that there hasn't been a single indictment for Russia-Trump campaign collluuuuusssssion, and it's becoming more and more clear that the probe has come up empty on this hoax against President Trump. (This, right in the face of your deeply passionate inclinations- LOL)
But an even more stubborn set of FACTS that you, and CNN/MSNBC/etc are intentionally ignoring, are those that are being dropped on us every week or so, which uncover the DOJ/FBI conspiracy against the Trump campaign and presidency. These are FACTS. We have all the text messages, all the emails, all the faked FISA documents. We know Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page let HRC off the hook before the investigation even started. We know Strzok and Page believed the setup against Trump would be enough to "stop him" from the WH. And they had a back-up "insurance policy", of course. We know John Brennan was one of the originators of the Russia colluuuuusssion hoax, and went to Harry Reid to help him try to stop Trump. We know that they spied on the Trump campaign on a false dossier paid for by the DNC/HRC campaign (and possibly also the FBI itself!). We know that Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page-Ohr-Ohr-Steele intended to sow suspicion in the eyes of the public to hurt Trump before and then after the election. But, not surprisingly, these career government employees couldn't execute if their life depended on it. They failed in their swampy attempt. FACT.
With Ohr's fate now imminent, that'll bring us up to 15 (!!) leadership roles in the DOJ/FBI that have been fired or forced to resign (by recommendation of the respective internal committee). That is a FACT. Ohr was "worried about Comey's firing", and that "they'd be exposed." LOL!! Should have thought of that before attempting to undermine democracy, you morans!! Btw- I like how the pattern is for the individuals to first be demoted to some garbage job (remember Strzok got demoted to HR?? LOL), in hopes that it flies under the radar after a while. In 2017, Ohr was demoted from Lead of the Counternarcotics dept to a position where he dealt with "lesser legal matters." Even the NYT received a "no response" when asked why he was demoted.
Meanwhile, Trump followed through on his promise to be the most transparent administration in history, by allowed the WH Counsel to talk directly to Mueller as much as needed, for 9 months now. Over 30 hours worth of interviews, and Mueller has not changed his position that Trump is NOT a target of the investigation, AND McGahn stated that he "never saw the President go beyond his legal authorities."
Most intelligent Liberals (yes, there are some) are starting to see the light here. The compromise on all of this for the intel community to save a little face is to maintain that Russia "meddled", but did not collude. You need to yank your head out of the sand and see what's really going on here.
Mueller never.
Clownpole forever (as he apparently wants it to be).
The only thing real about you is your delusion.
Trump will be found guilty of:
Obstruction of justice
Money laundering
Conspiracy, though if he's lucky he might be named as an unindicted co-conspirator, but that still makes him part of the conspiracy.
Bank fraud and/or wire fraud
Emoluments violation
Felony campaign finance violation
Being orange
Other things
He's a criminal of mob proportions, and he will be held accountable.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Hahaha!! Of course Clownpole doesn't even respond to the facts that have been laid out. So ridiculous.
Ouch!!! wrote:
Silly Willy wrote:
Yes, facts are stubborn things. Like the FACT that there hasn't been a single indictment for Russia-Trump campaign collluuuuusssssion, and it's becoming more and more clear that the probe has come up empty on this hoax against President Trump. (This, right in the face of your deeply passionate inclinations- LOL)
But an even more stubborn set of FACTS that you, and CNN/MSNBC/etc are intentionally ignoring, are those that are being dropped on us every week or so, which uncover the DOJ/FBI conspiracy against the Trump campaign and presidency. These are FACTS. We have all the text messages, all the emails, all the faked FISA documents. We know Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page let HRC off the hook before the investigation even started. We know Strzok and Page believed the setup against Trump would be enough to "stop him" from the WH. And they had a back-up "insurance policy", of course. We know John Brennan was one of the originators of the Russia colluuuuusssion hoax, and went to Harry Reid to help him try to stop Trump. We know that they spied on the Trump campaign on a false dossier paid for by the DNC/HRC campaign (and possibly also the FBI itself!). We know that Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page-Ohr-Ohr-Steele intended to sow suspicion in the eyes of the public to hurt Trump before and then after the election. But, not surprisingly, these career government employees couldn't execute if their life depended on it. They failed in their swampy attempt. FACT.
With Ohr's fate now imminent, that'll bring us up to 15 (!!) leadership roles in the DOJ/FBI that have been fired or forced to resign (by recommendation of the respective internal committee). That is a FACT. Ohr was "worried about Comey's firing", and that "they'd be exposed." LOL!! Should have thought of that before attempting to undermine democracy, you morans!! Btw- I like how the pattern is for the individuals to first be demoted to some garbage job (remember Strzok got demoted to HR?? LOL), in hopes that it flies under the radar after a while. In 2017, Ohr was demoted from Lead of the Counternarcotics dept to a position where he dealt with "lesser legal matters." Even the NYT received a "no response" when asked why he was demoted.
Meanwhile, Trump followed through on his promise to be the most transparent administration in history, by allowed the WH Counsel to talk directly to Mueller as much as needed, for 9 months now. Over 30 hours worth of interviews, and Mueller has not changed his position that Trump is NOT a target of the investigation, AND McGahn stated that he "never saw the President go beyond his legal authorities."
Most intelligent Liberals (yes, there are some) are starting to see the light here. The compromise on all of this for the intel community to save a little face is to maintain that Russia "meddled", but did not collude. You need to yank your head out of the sand and see what's really going on here.
Mueller never.
Clownpole forever (as he apparently wants it to be).
That one is going to leave a mark on Flagpole's hiney.
If wishful thinking and disproved statements leave marks on my "hiney", then this post by Silly Willy has done a number on it. Otherwise...no.
Odd that some Trumpers are declaring victory not only in the Mueller investigation but also over me when we don't have a Mueller report yet. Trump's situation from what we know publicly looks worse and worse each week. He is not skating here. He is clearly desperate and panicked.
I have said what WILL happen, but I haven't declared victory yet (though that is coming; the biggest I Told You So in the history of Letsrun. I will just do it one time though - unless challenged - because while I am righteous, I am kind).
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole wrote:
Ouch!!! wrote:
That one is going to leave a mark on Flagpole's hiney.
If wishful thinking and disproved statements leave marks on my "hiney", then this post by Silly Willy has done a number on it. Otherwise...no.
Odd that some Trumpers are declaring victory not only in the Mueller investigation but also over me when we don't have a Mueller report yet. Trump's situation from what we know publicly looks worse and worse each week. He is not skating here. He is clearly desperate and panicked.
I have said what WILL happen, but I haven't declared victory yet (though that is coming; the biggest I Told You So in the history of Letsrun. I will just do it one time though - unless challenged - because while I am righteous, I am kind).
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
What are you going to declare victory over?
Ouch!!! wrote:
Silly Willy wrote:
Yes, facts are stubborn things. Like the FACT that there hasn't been a single indictment for Russia-Trump campaign collluuuuusssssion, and it's becoming more and more clear that the probe has come up empty on this hoax against President Trump. (This, right in the face of your deeply passionate inclinations- LOL)
But an even more stubborn set of FACTS that you, and CNN/MSNBC/etc are intentionally ignoring, are those that are being dropped on us every week or so, which uncover the DOJ/FBI conspiracy against the Trump campaign and presidency. These are FACTS. We have all the text messages, all the emails, all the faked FISA documents. We know Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page let HRC off the hook before the investigation even started. We know Strzok and Page believed the setup against Trump would be enough to "stop him" from the WH. And they had a back-up "insurance policy", of course. We know John Brennan was one of the originators of the Russia colluuuuusssion hoax, and went to Harry Reid to help him try to stop Trump. We know that they spied on the Trump campaign on a false dossier paid for by the DNC/HRC campaign (and possibly also the FBI itself!). We know that Comey-McCabe-Strzok-Page-Ohr-Ohr-Steele intended to sow suspicion in the eyes of the public to hurt Trump before and then after the election. But, not surprisingly, these career government employees couldn't execute if their life depended on it. They failed in their swampy attempt. FACT.
With Ohr's fate now imminent, that'll bring us up to 15 (!!) leadership roles in the DOJ/FBI that have been fired or forced to resign (by recommendation of the respective internal committee). That is a FACT. Ohr was "worried about Comey's firing", and that "they'd be exposed." LOL!! Should have thought of that before attempting to undermine democracy, you morans!! Btw- I like how the pattern is for the individuals to first be demoted to some garbage job (remember Strzok got demoted to HR?? LOL), in hopes that it flies under the radar after a while. In 2017, Ohr was demoted from Lead of the Counternarcotics dept to a position where he dealt with "lesser legal matters." Even the NYT received a "no response" when asked why he was demoted.
Meanwhile, Trump followed through on his promise to be the most transparent administration in history, by allowed the WH Counsel to talk directly to Mueller as much as needed, for 9 months now. Over 30 hours worth of interviews, and Mueller has not changed his position that Trump is NOT a target of the investigation, AND McGahn stated that he "never saw the President go beyond his legal authorities."
Most intelligent Liberals (yes, there are some) are starting to see the light here. The compromise on all of this for the intel community to save a little face is to maintain that Russia "meddled", but did not collude. You need to yank your head out of the sand and see what's really going on here.
Mueller never.
Clownpole forever (as he apparently wants it to be).
That one is going to leave a mark on Flagpole's hiney.
For sure. I mean, this is the main reason political discourse is dead though. The tribesmanship has gotten way out of hand. Flagpole doesn't even acknowledge that huge group of firings has occurred, and that they don't happen unless people did some *really* bad stuff.
I'm not particularly glad to say it, but Democrat or Republican, the facts outlined above are starting to form a pretty tight storyline. There's not a lot of holes in it. I encourage everyone to watch the opposite news outlets for a months and then come back and give an honest assessment of who you think is getting to the bottom of what happened.
The intel agencies were clearly able to influence the election from both sides, and then have tried to hurt the undesired winner afterwards. Whatever side of the aisle you're on, this is not the behavior you want out of your UNELECTED federal employees.
I took a good hard look in the mirror and saw Disco-Rigged-Jamin-Loper in a 4-way 'manly' embrace.
Good hard look in the mirror wrote:
Ouch!!! wrote:
That one is going to leave a mark on Flagpole's hiney.
For sure. I mean, this is the main reason political discourse is dead though. The tribesmanship has gotten way out of hand. Flagpole doesn't even acknowledge that huge group of firings has occurred, and that they don't happen unless people did some *really* bad stuff.
If you read his (and others on this thread) posts, it's quite apparent that discourse is not his goal. He spews psuedo-facts like Hannity does for the "other side."
Clarity wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
The only thing real about you is your delusion.
Trump will be found guilty of:
Obstruction of justice
Money laundering
Conspiracy, though if he's lucky he might be named as an unindicted co-conspirator, but that still makes him part of the conspiracy.
Bank fraud and/or wire fraud
Emoluments violation
Felony campaign finance violation
Being orange
Other things
He's a criminal of mob proportions, and he will be held accountable.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Let me get this right. You think Trump will be found GUILTY of of that whole list?
I'm as liberal-leaning as they get and I think you are delusional if you think that.
Yes. I suppose "guilty" is tough because that infers absolutely legal verdict, but for all intents and purposes, yes, that will be the ruling of Mueller's report...that he engaged in all of those activities and then some with solid evidence to prove it.
So, it is doubtful that Mueller will indict a sitting President due to DOJ guidelines, BUT he may indict him after he is no longer President.
Trump will almost assuredly avoid jail due to some combination of pardon and plea bargain, but this doesn't make him any less guilty -- must admit guilt to get a pardon. I would not be surprised for example if when the Mueller report comes out that the plea bargain is this -- you resign and we will not indict you when you are out of office. If you make this go to the House for impeachment vote and then Senate for conviction, we will not guarantee we will not indict you once you are out of office.
Here are the things it will be proven he did (guilty of whether a legal term or not):
Obstruction of justice - He has done this publicly several times. A done deal.
Money laundering - Mueller has been looking very closely into this reportedly, and over the years, Trump has engaged in over 1300 CASH ONLY payments to purchase his properties (many of them with Russians), a hallmark of money laundering in the real estate business. He has close personal ties with Russian mobster and money launderer Felix Sater. Mueller has several money laundering experts on his staff...that is not a coincidence.
Conspiracy - though if he's lucky he might be named as an unindicted co-conspirator, but that still makes him part of the conspiracy.
Bank fraud and/or wire fraud - This is likely part of the Michael Cohen SDNY investigation.
Emoluments violation - He currently has a separate suit filed for this. He is definitely guilty of it, and demonstrably so.
Felony campaign finance violation - This comes out of the Michael Cohen SDNY investigation, but from what we know publicly already, this seems extremely likely.
Being orange - Well...
Other things - There will be some other things; perhaps a computer hacking charge, some RICO stuff if not handled in other charges, some other more minor conspiracy charges...and likely at least something that will surprise most people.
Perjury - Oh, and perjury if he ever talks to Mueller.
Shouldn't matter that you are a liberal or not. Facts are facts. Truth is truth. There are no "alternative facts".
He is in BIG trouble, and everyone and their brother is after him.
Mueller is coming. The Southern District of New York is coming. Michael Avenatti is coming. The state of Maryland and the District of Columbia are coming (they are the ones who filed the Emoluments clause violation that a judge said was allowed to continue). The state of New York is coming (filed a lawsuit against him and his grifter family over the fraudulent Trump Foundation). Even the DNC is coming, though the others will likely be the ones to get him.
The clown is done.
Good hard look in the mirror wrote:
Flagpole doesn't even acknowledge that huge group of firings has occurred, and that they don't happen unless people did some *really* bad stuff.
What do firings in the DOJ or the FBI have to do with the cost of tea in China? Why do I need to acknowledge them? They happened. They are facts. You need me to acknowledge a fact? Ok. I acknowledge the firings. Big freakin' deal.
What is important is did any of those people do something in a biased way to affect this investigation, and the IG has said no, no bias.
Also important to note that some of those fired were fired by Trump, most importantly Sally Yates, James Comey, and Preet Bharara because they wouldn't play ball with Trump, so do with that what you will.
Finally, if people are fired for having done things that are fire-able offenses, then good. Doesn't mean the investigation is biased. Doesn't mean Trump is innocent. Bad decisions by other random people doesn't absolve Trump and his administration of their crimes. Even if it was determined that Democrats in general are more corrupt than Republicans in general, that STILL wouldn't absolve Trump of his crimes.
Do you think Trump is innocent of all of these things? He hasn't been able to get a loan from a US bank in years because he screwed too many of them, so he went to Russia to get loans from banks controlled by the Russian government. Do you think that might be a reason he bows down to Putin? Could that be a reason he felt so comfortable having people on his staff including is own idiot eponymous son meet with Russians to get dirt on Hillary?
Why have all these criminals and liars lined up to work for this administration? Birds of a feather, brother. All this lying, all this corruption, all this criminality all around Trump, and he's an innocent man? He's a victim?
No freakin' way.
He is a criminal of epic proportions, and it will all come out.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole wrote:
He is a criminal of epic proportions, and it will all come out.
^ Yup.
Michael Cohen in talks to plead guilty to criminal charges
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/21/politics/michael-cohen-plea-deal-talks/index.htmlI thought Trump had nothing to hide?
There is one thing Flagpole has been saying that it not strictly true. He says accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.
If you accept a pardon, there is no requirement that you admit guilt. Nobody forces you to actually admit to anything.
In fact, even a dead person can be pardoned, as in the recent case of boxer, Jack Johnson. The pardon did not require a seance to become legal.
Stenson wrote:
What are you going to declare victory over?
That I was right about two main things:
1) I was right that Trump would not win the 2016 election for cheaters can not win (see Olympic gold medalists who are stripped of their medals when caught cheating).
2) That Mueller was indeed coming and that Trump was not innocent and would not escape this ordeal scot-free. He will be discovered for who he is, and he will be punished.
Criminal tRump wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
He is a criminal of epic proportions, and it will all come out.
^ Yup.
Michael Cohen in talks to plead guilty to criminal charges
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/21/politics/michael-cohen-plea-deal-talks/index.html
Yep. Criminal thug Michael Cohen was his "fixer". Who has a "fixer"? Criminals and people of low or no moral character.
Fat hurts wrote:
There is one thing Flagpole has been saying that it not strictly true. He says accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.
If you accept a pardon, there is no requirement that you admit guilt. Nobody forces you to actually admit to anything.
In fact, even a dead person can be pardoned, as in the recent case of boxer, Jack Johnson. The pardon did not require a seance to become legal.
You have to accept guilt to receive a pardon BEFORE a criminal judgement has been delivered. If you take a pardon after being found guilty, then you were already proven guilty in a court of law.
So what are the implications of Cohen presumably taking a guilty plea and turning himself in to the FBI? Is this forced intimidation by the so called deep state? Or is there a there in there?