Agreed, flagpole and other liberals aren’t fans of reasonableness, logic, or context. They believe in “got you.”
Unless it has to do with Hilary Clinton. Then they just change the wording to prevent prosecution and pretend it’s a matter.
Agreed, flagpole and other liberals aren’t fans of reasonableness, logic, or context. They believe in “got you.”
Unless it has to do with Hilary Clinton. Then they just change the wording to prevent prosecution and pretend it’s a matter.
If you truly believe that Trump has not done anything criminal or worthy of impeachment, then please give a reasonable and logical explanation of why he would not interview with Mueller to bring this investigation to a close.
And please provide context for your response as it pertains to this particular investigation.
L L wrote:
PIO! wrote:
Giuliani saying "The truth isn't the truth", while a horribly unfortunate sound bite, did not at all mean what you folks are claiming it meant. He spoke in the heat of the moment and (as many do when losing their cool) he directly contradicted the words of the interviewer when his real point was to contradict the idea that the interviewer was putting forth.
Giuliani's point was clearly that Trump could be charged and even found guilty of perjury even if he told the truth. One may or may not agree with Giuliani on this point (for the record, it is undeniably a possibility, though I do not think that this is really what the Trumpette team is worried about). But there can be no reasonable question that this was his point. And his point was not "The truth isn't the truth."
So please, try to maintain your intellectual integrity. The Trump team has zero. You folks can do better.
I'm sorry but words mean what they mean.
You can say that he misspoke or that he did not mean to phrase it that way.
But do not say that the words that he spoke mean something else.
And I think they may intentionally use phrase like that or alternate facts to gaslight the public.
They do not want Trump to testify or interview because they know he will lie.
It's not about giving a different version of the truth or fear that someone else's lie will be believed over his truthful statements.
Trump's entire campaign against this investigation is - do not believe what you hear. Do not believe the media. Do not believe any testimony against him. Do not believe that Trump would lie.
When you hear "truth isn't truth" and "alternative facts" you go into a mode where you do not believe anything.
And that is to discredit and undermine any investigation in the minds of the public, or at least his supporters.
This is a political game, not a legal one.
Trump's fate will be decided by politicians voted into office by the public. Create enough doubt in the public, and the elected officials may hesitate to impeach or convict.
So, every time you have said "Fvck you" to someone you meant that you were going to insert your penis into one of their body's orifices?
No backing out of that one, big guy. Remember, "do not say that the words that (you) spoke meant something else."
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Now, try to think before you post next time. Moron.
LOWEST character POTUS of all time
I will go on record as saying that while an unbelievably bad comment, the "truth isn't truth" comment from Giuliani clearly meant that he believes someone might say one thing that is presented as the truth and then another person might say something different that is presented as the truth. He is saying that one could be lying and yet that person might be believed over the other person.
Now, that's a load. Trump has a history of lying pretty much constantly. BUT, I don't think Giuliani was trying some Orwellian thing there.
Trump and his team have a lot more to be worried about than Giuliani's bumbling.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
_its_badddude wrote:
Here is the real context. This is what Rudy was talking about. Sorry I have to be so blunt.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/04/04/dershowitz_warns_trump_you_can_be_indicted_for_perjury_even_if_you_tell_mueller_the_truth.html
Dershowitz is an imbecile. "You can be charged with perjury even if you tell the truth" ...? And Hannity replies: " that's a SPECTACULAR statement!" And Trump world gasps with horror! The legal genius revealed something "spectacular", that no one else knew, that.......one can be charged with a crime, even.....if they are innocent!! Wow, no one in the history of the world ever realized that. Thank God some people went to Yale Law school so they can tell all us ignoramuses that.
There is nothing unique with perjury that he is explaining. As with any crime, if someone lies about some facts related to a crime (your or their whereabouts, who knew who, who did what when, etc, etc, etc) and you tell the truth, yes, you could be indicted or even go to jail if the liar is believed and you are not (and there appears to be more evidence to support the liar, or the police or prosecutor just have no integrity). It's happened a 10000000000 times with all sorts of charges. Sadly, Justice is far from perfect.
But Dershowitz is setting it up for the Trump faithful as: if Trump is found guilty of perjury, it was probably someone else lying, because with perjury it's uniquely very easy for this to happen (and Deep State conspiracy, blah, blah, blah), so ignore it, Trump will not have actually lied, because as we all know he is the most honest person in history, well, at least since Honest Abe or "I can not tell a lie" George Washington.
PIO! wrote:
So, every time you have said "Fvck you" to someone you meant that you were going to insert your penis into one of their body's orifices?
No, because that is not what that phrase means.
The F word has tons of different meanings.
If you are up the creek without a paddle, then you are fvcked.
To say F you is to wish something bad on that person.
But truth is truth.
Did Trump know about Don Jr's meeting with Russians before the election?
It is a yes/no question and one of those responses is the truth.
Did Trump instruct Flynn to talks sanctions with Russia before he was president?
There is a truthful answer to that question.
Flagpole wrote:
I will go on record as saying that while an unbelievably bad comment, the "truth isn't truth" comment from Giuliani clearly meant that he believes someone might say one thing that is presented as the truth and then another person might say something different that is presented as the truth. He is saying that one could be lying and yet that person might be believed over the other person.
Now, that's a load. Trump has a history of lying pretty much constantly. BUT, I don't think Giuliani was trying some Orwellian thing there.
Trump and his team have a lot more to be worried about than Giuliani's bumbling.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Ah, a man with integrity!
Well met, sir!
L L wrote:
PIO! wrote:
So, every time you have said "Fvck you" to someone you meant that you were going to insert your penis into one of their body's orifices?
No, because that is not what that phrase means.
The F word has tons of different meanings.
If you are up the creek without a paddle, then you are fvcked.
To say F you is to wish something bad on that person.
But truth is truth.
Did Trump know about Don Jr's meeting with Russians before the election?
It is a yes/no question and one of those responses is the truth.
Did Trump instruct Flynn to talks sanctions with Russia before he was president?
There is a truthful answer to that question.
And one without.
Manafort not guilty on all charges!!!!
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
_its_badddude wrote:
Here is the real context. This is what Rudy was talking about. Sorry I have to be so blunt.
Dershowitz is an imbecile. "You can be charged with perjury even if you tell the truth" ...? And Hannity replies: " that's a SPECTACULAR statement!" And Trump world gasps with horror! The legal genius revealed something "spectacular", that no one else knew, that.......one can be charged with a crime, even.....if they are innocent!! Wow, no one in the history of the world ever realized that. Thank God some people went to Yale Law school so they can tell all us ignoramuses that.
Dershowitz is for sale. He knows what Hannity is willing to pay him to spout on his show.
And, Dershowitz is an idiot. He confuses telling the truth with lying about the truth. Trump is a habitual liar, and has been so since he was a child. Trump believes his lies are the truth. So, Trump can be guilty of perjury not because he told the fake "truth but because no one will corroborate his lies as the "truth", and other evidence will show that Trump "truth" is in fact a lie. ... A lie-detector test would not work on someone like Trump, he has lied since he could crawl on the floor, but body language is where Trump always gives himself away.
PIO! wrote:
Ah, a man with integrity!
Well met, sir!
^ Hi Hardloper … the name thief.
PIO! wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
I will go on record as saying that while an unbelievably bad comment, the "truth isn't truth" comment from Giuliani clearly meant that he believes someone might say one thing that is presented as the truth and then another person might say something different that is presented as the truth. He is saying that one could be lying and yet that person might be believed over the other person.
Now, that's a load. Trump has a history of lying pretty much constantly. BUT, I don't think Giuliani was trying some Orwellian thing there.
Trump and his team have a lot more to be worried about than Giuliani's bumbling.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Ah, a man with integrity!
Well met, sir!
I am that at all times.
Manafort acquittal wrote:
Manafort not guilty on all charges!!!!
Umm...no.
Evidence wrote:
. . .
And, Dershowitz is an idiot. He confuses telling the truth with lying about the truth. Trump is a habitual liar, and has been so since he was a child. Trump believes his lies are the truth. So, Trump can be guilty of perjury not because he told the fake "truth but because no one will corroborate his lies as the "truth", and other evidence will show that Trump "truth" is in fact a lie. ... A lie-detector test would not work on someone like Trump, he has lied since he could crawl on the floor, but body language is where Trump always gives himself away.
Bolded statement is impossible by definition.
Words and stuff wrote:
Evidence wrote:
. . .
And, Dershowitz is an idiot. He confuses telling the truth with lying about the truth. Trump is a habitual liar, and has been so since he was a child. Trump believes his lies are the truth. So, Trump can be guilty of perjury not because he told the fake "truth but because no one will corroborate his lies as the "truth", and other evidence will show that Trump "truth" is in fact a lie. ... A lie-detector test would not work on someone like Trump, he has lied since he could crawl on the floor, but body language is where Trump always gives himself away.
Bolded statement is impossible by definition.
Nope.You have NO clue what you are writing about. By definition, Trump has a mental condition that is well-known.
https://www.mentalhelp.net/advice/pathological-lying/Worse, ICE forced a woman in labor to drive herself to the hospital to give birth.
Abolish ICE wrote:
Abolish ICE
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/19/us/ice-arrest-man-pregnant-wife.html?
Evidence wrote:
Words and stuff wrote:
Bolded statement is impossible by definition.
Nope.You have NO clue what you are writing about. By definition, Trump has a mental condition that is well-known.
https://www.mentalhelp.net/advice/pathological-lying/
Doubling down on being WRONG, I see. With links this time! Quite impressive!
To LIE is to tell an untruth that one knows at the time of telling to be an untruth. Therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE that "Trump believes his lies are the truth." Simply an impossibility.
Now, try using the English language correctly (and spare me the cute and entirely irrelevant links).
Words and stuff wrote:
^ The valuable part of your Trumpian rant.