Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

nontrumper wrote:

A Manafort pardon won't help Trump, actually makes things worse.

What I am speculating is, if Trump does not pardon Manafort, then Manafort may have to seek another option to get out of jail.

Assuming Manafort has knowledge or evidence of fraud committed by Trump, and Trump does not pardon him, then he may try to strike a deal with someone to lessen his sentence.

That's how pardoning Manafort could help Trump. Not just a thank you for not ratting him out but a gift to keep him from ratting him out going forward.

Or maybe Manafort will quietly go to jail for the rest of his life.

cover "his" back wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

This is all true, but Trump pardoning Manafort would be a signal to others that he's got their back, so that THEY don't flip on him. Also, he is very petty, and pardoning Manafort would be a big "F*ck You" to the whole process.

Nope. Trump would give pardons to cover "his" back. Manafort will get one because Trump would set a precedence for pardoning himself from committing money laundering misdeeds.

Pardoning someone else to "set a precedent" for pardoning himself?!?

This seems like a stretch to me. A very long stretch.

PIO! wrote:

cover "his" back wrote:

Nope. Trump would give pardons to cover "his" back. Manafort will get one because Trump would set a precedence for pardoning himself from committing money laundering misdeeds.

Pardoning someone else to "set a precedent" for pardoning himself?!?

This seems like a stretch to me. A very long stretch.

No stretch whatsoever. They are known as "trial balloons". Trump wants to know if his base will forgive him for pardoning money laundering. He doesn't want to be the first to try it on himself.

It is only a "very long" stretch in the small mind of a diehard Trumpster.

Yeah, it’s a given the base is just made up of zombies at this point.

I find it hilarious that Trump’s butt lickers keep calling him a counterpuncher, and that is the excuse they use for anything he says that is out of line. He’s a total cry baby much more akin to a barking dog without bite.

I don't believe there has ever been a politician like Trump. He insults people, boasts, uses fear mongering and straw man arguments, lies, promotes conspiracies, is inconsistent and bitches about the Mueller probe on a daily basis.

If cleaned up his act, let the Russia probe run its course and focused on advancing his agenda, would he really weaken his base? If he did those things there would be at least a 50% decrease in "FAKE NEWS".

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Yeah, it’s a given the base is just made up of zombies at this point.

I find it hilarious that Trump’s butt lickers keep calling him a counterpuncher, and that is the excuse they use for anything he says that is out of line. He’s a total cry baby much more akin to a barking dog without bite.

I don't believe there has ever been a politician like Trump. He insults people, boasts, uses fear mongering and straw man arguments, lies, promotes conspiracies, is inconsistent and bitches about the Mueller probe on a daily basis.

If cleaned up his act, let the Russia probe run its course and focused on advancing his agenda, would he really weaken his base? If he did those things there would be at least a 50% decrease in "FAKE NEWS".

There have been other presidents like him but all from a time when the US was not so influential on the global stage:

James Polk - very hard-nosed, war-mongerer... annexed Texas, went to war with Mexico and threatened to go to war with the UK.

Andrew Jackson - promoted division and demanded loyalty from his cabinet, was almost impeached

Millard Filmore - anti-immigrant, loves conspiracy theories and also appointed his daughter to a WH role

Trump took the worst of these guys, in addition to his bunch of other shortcomings.

Who would have guessed: Executive Pay Is Surging

— CEOs at the 350 biggest American companies made 17.6 percent more in 2017 than in 2016.

— Average worker’s pay increased by a paltry 0.3 percent during the same period.

— CEOs take home 5.5 times what the average member of the top 0.1 percent of earners did in 2017.

— CEO pay has grown much faster than corporate profits.

https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-surged-in-2017/

Manafort not guilty on all charges!!!!

What's funny is that Trump supporters would actually celebrate if Manafort was acquitted across the board.

No stretch at all wrote:

PIO! wrote:

Pardoning someone else to "set a precedent" for pardoning himself?!?

This seems like a stretch to me. A very long stretch.

No stretch whatsoever. They are known as "trial balloons". Trump wants to know if his base will forgive him for pardoning money laundering. He doesn't want to be the first to try it on himself.

It is only a "very long" stretch in the small mind of a diehard Trumpster.

If you have been following this thread at all (and if you have even the slightest bit of intelligence) you would be embarrassed for suggesting that I am "a diehard Trumpster." (But that is only if you have even the slightest ability to be embarrassed when you are embarrassingly wrong).

PIO! wrote:

If you have been following this thread at all (and if you have even the slightest bit of intelligence) you would be embarrassed for suggesting that I am "a diehard Trumpster." (But that is only if you have even the slightest ability to be embarrassed when you are embarrassingly wrong).

0/10 name thief, JaminLoper.

No stretch at all wrote:

PIO! wrote:

If you have been following this thread at all (and if you have even the slightest bit of intelligence) you would be embarrassed for suggesting that I am "a diehard Trumpster." (But that is only if you have even the slightest ability to be embarrassed when you are embarrassingly wrong).

0/10 name thief, JaminLoper.

So you are brain dead. I understand.

You have my condolences.

Manafort acquittal wrote:

Manafort not guilty on all charges!!!!

Um...no.

Hardloper wrote:

So I am brain dead. I understand.

You have jamin's condolences.

Is educated speculation the same as wild ass guess? Lets run database is overfilled with your crap.

Flagpole wrote:

L L wrote:

Manafort still has another trial and possible appeal of this last one if convicted.

He protected Trump in this case and is looking to be rewarded.

Manafort can still flip to get a deal if he is not pardoned.

We know Cohen has flipped and Flynn has given something to Mueller for his deal. Gates has given something, too. But maybe just on Manafort.

We do not know what information Mueller has.

There is definitely some educated speculation that Gates have given up information on Trump as well as Manafort.

Trump is chaos personified, so I would not try to predict his actions whatsoever. Fortunately we have sane people looking at him with a microscope.

He is such a bad bad human being.

Nate Silver put up his House model today on 538.com. He has Democratic control 74.7% likely, with an average gain of 35 seats:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/

I have to say I believe that is too high on both counts. I prefer the Predictwise model and 64% likelihood. Polls are the basis of Nate's model while Predictwise also incorporates betting markets and fundamentals like incumbency. IMO, Democrats nominated too many women, and many of them will lose tight races attempting to oust male incumbents. Bottom line, independent male voters tend to shy away from voting for females. There have been many related studies. The deficit has been estimated at 3% compared to what an equally qualified male challenger would receive.

Regardless, Democrats are certainly favored to regain the House, despite the dismissive tendencies here and on other sites occupied by many right-leaning posters.

And in the what-does-it-take-to-get-hired-there category:

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/fox-friends-host-ainsley-earhardt-america-great-defeated-communist-japan/

Awsi Dooger wrote:

IMO, Democrats nominated too many women, and many of them will lose tight races attempting to oust male incumbents. Bottom line, independent male voters tend to shy away from voting for females.

You are not accounting for the independent women voters who have not voted because their only choice was a male to vote for. With more women running they will come out in droves and easily overcome the independent male voters who shy away from women. Independent male voters are the ones staying home this time around. They won't vote for a Republican male over a Democrat female--some won't cast a vote in those races at all.

Trump's revocation of Brennan's security clearance, and threats to do the same to others, ONLY because they've criticized him, is the clearest sign yet:

1) that he doesn't believe in freedom of speech (unless it is speech that supports him), and wants to silence anyone who dares to criticize him by any means at his disposal

2) He is a petty, vindictive, A-hole

3) he is unfit to be president (and yes, there is a $HITload of evidence to support that one).

How anyone can support this classless, clown is truly beyond me. If any Dem president did 1/10th of the idiotic things he does, the right wing base would literally be calling for the guy's head.

Apparently this guy agrees with me (below). It is yet another brutal takedown by an extremely respected person. Is Trump going to insult another military hero?? Will his base of course tear this guy down because.....he doesn't believe in the uber-Troll Trump?? Probably. Likely. Almost assuredly. Hand your heads in shame, right wing idiots.

By William H. McRaven

August 16 at 2:44 PM

William H. McRaven, a retired Navy admiral, was commander of the U.S. Joint Special Operations Command from 2011 to 2014. He oversaw the 2011 Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan that killed al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

Dear Mr. President:

Former CIA director John Brennan, whose security clearance you revoked on Wednesday, is one of the finest public servants I have ever known. Few Americans have done more to protect this country than John. He is a man of unparalleled integrity, whose honesty and character have never been in question, except by those who don’t know him.

Therefore, I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.

Like most Americans, I had hoped that when you became president, you would rise to the occasion and become the leader this great nation needs.

A good leader tries to embody the best qualities of his or her organization. A good leader sets the example for others to follow. A good leader always puts the welfare of others before himself or herself.

Your leadership, however, has shown little of these qualities. Through your actions, you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation.

If you think for a moment that your McCarthy-era tactics will suppress the voices of criticism, you are sadly mistaken. The criticism will continue until you become the leader we prayed you would be.