6403 wrote:
ReallybroReally wrote:
This is just like Maverick in "Top Gun", where the person's head just gets messed up to the point they can't function.
Just like "Cougar".
Cougar was number one, Maverick was number 2. Cougar lost it, turned in his wings.
Maverick became number 1.
Biles lost it, turned in her "GOAT" hoofs. GOAT no more.
How is she the ghost when Vitali Scherbo won 6 golds in Barcelona?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaly_Scherbo
Ghost of Viktor Bryzhin wrote:
6403 wrote:
Just like "Cougar".
Cougar was number one, Maverick was number 2. Cougar lost it, turned in his wings.
Maverick became number 1.
Biles lost it, turned in her "GOAT" hoofs. GOAT no more.
How is she the ghost when Vitali Scherbo won 6 golds in Barcelona?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaly_Scherbo
Look at her world champs record....
Some people posted on Social Media that Biles dropped out of the Olympics. It's 1 AM on Wednesday as I write this note. Unfortunately, we will not know until Thursday. Why are people, such idiots? I guess it's the same reason we are calling these the 2020 Olympic Games when it's 2021!
Michael Jordan took a *season* off to deal with mental issues. Quitting because one can't get there, or one can't handle the pressure, or whatever, is fine. It's not what any athlete aspires to do, but sometimes it happens.
What's hard to stomach is that same athlete trying to sell that failure as itself something to aspire to.
If she'd just said, I didn't have it today, couldn't handle the pressure, felt I was going to cost my teammates a medal, felt someone else would give them a better chance, we'd all be more sympathetic. But it's all about her and forget the team. Obviously those who played real team sports also expect that the best step it up and lead in the most difficult moments, but we all know also that it isn't always that way, sometimes the leader is a teammate who barely belongs on the team and is there, well, because he/she is a leader.
This stuff is particularly hard for people like Lebron or Biles whose success came when they were teenagers, before they had developed mentally, and who, as a consequence, never had the same struggles even most ordinary champions have. These kids have been living in a circus their adolescent lives.
Reminds me of Steve Sax, Chuck Knoblauch, Rick Ankiel.
So hard to watch.
My guess is her career is probably over, but let’s see.
This is what happened she was marketed as the face of the gamex and she had so much pressure on her and she crumbled under the pressure. She bottled it
whats the yips wrote:
Reminds me of Steve Sax, Chuck Knoblauch, Rick Ankiel.
Who, who and who?
The pressure was ridiculous on her maybe just below bolt levels she never had this pressure earlier and she could not handle it
In many branches of the media we are seeing weakness being recast as strength.
bgkc94 wrote:
She had something called the twisties (kind of like yips), which is when your brain and body disconnect mid air. Flipping and doing intricate skills then losing air awareness can cause major injury because you can’t control how you land. If you rewatch that vault she did, you can see she gets lost in the air. Her pulling out was the best choice for her safety.
Idk why NBC is spinning it as a mental health issue...
Thank you. I don't follow gymnastics and thus I don't know the rules. I assumed it was something similar to the yips. There's so much BS on these boards and, frankly, from the team reports as to why Biles dropped out that I don't know what's happening.
As I understand it, she has dropped out of the individual all around, but she can still compete in the individual events next week if she decides to do so. If I'm wrong, someone cite the rules and let me know.
As far as the mental health issue is concerned, when your life revolves around a sport and you suddenly can't do it, it definitely affects your mental health. It could be said about every athlete that underperforms... at least it can be said to some degree. I would imagine that in a physically dangerous sport, it would be worse.
My guess is that the US team report decided to spin the mental health angle because it's a current hot button. My guess is that Biles will return and compete in the individual events. It all depends on the ankle (whatever) injury she sustained that is being underplayed because everyone not associated with high-level sport expects an athlete to tape up and compete with pain, whereas the mental health issue plays the media sympathy card.
ghsn wrote:
whats the yips wrote:
Reminds me of Steve Sax, Chuck Knoblauch, Rick Ankiel.
Who, who and who?
Face palm.
You’re clueless.
vaccinated wrote:
Michael Jordan took a *season* off to deal with mental issues. Quitting because one can't get there, or one can't handle the pressure, or whatever, is fine. It's not what any athlete aspires to do, but sometimes it happens.
What's hard to stomach is that same athlete trying to sell that failure as itself something to aspire to.
If she'd just said, I didn't have it today, couldn't handle the pressure, felt I was going to cost my teammates a medal, felt someone else would give them a better chance, we'd all be more sympathetic. But it's all about her and forget the team. Obviously those who played real team sports also expect that the best step it up and lead in the most difficult moments, but we all know also that it isn't always that way, sometimes the leader is a teammate who barely belongs on the team and is there, well, because he/she is a leader.
This stuff is particularly hard for people like Lebron or Biles whose success came when they were teenagers, before they had developed mentally, and who, as a consequence, never had the same struggles even most ordinary champions have. These kids have been living in a circus their adolescent lives.
That's what she said essentially, she didn't feel ready to compete. It was the right call, could have ended horribly.
What you are criticizing is how the media portrays it, which I agree. But that's not her, and the media is always going to run stories that maximize $$$. Real facepalm moment when NBC kept focusing on her nonstop, when the intense focus on her was the very reason she felt too much pressure.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Nuge wrote:
Wow.
What if Tom Brady decided not to come out after halftime because there was so much pressure on him to win......
Yes but would Tom Brady come out to do an olympic floor exercise, I think he would not.
He would if Charles Barkley dared him to do it
whats the yips wrote:
Reminds me of Steve Sax, Chuck Knoblauch, Rick Ankiel.
So hard to watch.
My guess is her career is probably over, but let’s see.
Yes. There have been a few others in MLB that come to mind.
Actually, the first one was Steve Blass, a pitcher in the 60's and 70's for the Pittsburgh Pirates. All of a sudden, he lost all command, couldn't find the plate and basically lost his career. That "affliction" was called "Steve Blass disease" for a number of years, but has fallen out of favor and not used anymore.
Another one was a catcher for the Mets, Mackey Sasser, all of a sudden he couldn't throw the ball back to the pitcher, he would double and triple clutch, it was brutal to watch.
I can't think of another situation like this: non-injured elite athlete simply walks off the field when the pressure got to high.
The closest scenario that comes to mind would be boxer Roberto Duran against Sugar Ray Leonard in the early 80's: "No Mas". However, that was well into the fight, he was losing, and he did not have teammates. And he was getting pummeled.
Another would be with NFL quarterback Andrew Luck. But that was not in the middle of a game. It was late August, several weeks before the season started.
vaccinated wrote:
Michael Jordan took a *season* off to deal with mental issues.
That's stretching it. His stated reason was that he lost his desire to compete: he just didn't care anymore. Hardly a mental health issue.
The real reason was that he was caught up in a gambling scandal and the NBA Commisioner forced him to sit out.
I don't think you can drag Michael Jordan into this. That guy was a rock.
How have we reached the point in sports that an inability to cope with the psychological pressures of competition is being characterised as mental strength?
Bound4Glory wrote:
I can't think of another situation like this: non-injured elite athlete simply walks off the field when the pressure got to high.
The closest scenario that comes to mind would be boxer Roberto Duran against Sugar Ray Leonard in the early 80's: "No Mas". However, that was well into the fight, he was losing, and he did not have teammates. And he was getting pummeled.
Another would be with NFL quarterback Andrew Luck. But that was not in the middle of a game. It was late August, several weeks before the season started.
In those sports you can quit without walking off the field or court. You can strike out swinging, pass up a shot, go through the motions. This sport is too difficult, lose focus on the beam or bars and you could get paralyzed.
Anxiety and panic are real and significant mental disorders that can limit physical performance. And, training, external and internal pressure, and competition can cause these to pop up at inconvenient moments. I am not surprised by this at all, and I think Simone and her coaches made the right decision. The risk of harm is too high. Gymnastics is a very technical sport, high pressure sport and a mistake could cause a career ending injury. Pushing through just because it is the Olympics isn't worth it. I hope that she gets the rest and support she needs to move forward.
I would argue that the pressure and attention was probably higher than Bolt, at least in the US. The general population probably tune into and read about gymnastics over track.