Tribute to 02:20 Marathon

BZ wrote:

I was not talking about a lactometer. Only about a single test.

I did a test like this. I am at a lower level than you are. Perhaps I should have donated the money. Anyway I was not trolling.

No need to think like this. Relax get drunk and get laid and you will be fine even without a test :)

Single test is not enough... much cheaper to by lactometer and test whenever we like.

The Wizard JS wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

In fairness... I follow canefis on Strava. I do think he can break 3 in early 2021. I think he also has a shot at sub 2:50 and maybe a serious stretch goal of 2:45 if things progress well. In order to do this he will have to ramp up volume and do a lot more marathon specific work.

He runs 65 miles a week at around 7 minute pace with occasional workouts currently. He also has a background in cycling and, it seems, a reasonably well developed aerobic system.

My guess on current fitness:

5k - mid 16s

10 - low 34s

HM - 1:19

Marathon - 2:58

He can just "jog" a marathon race in 2:58 right now! ))

I gotta say HHW is prob being generous with most of those times. I like the thread, and I hope he hits his goals.... But JS you are being completely unrealistic with where his fitness is currently. 20x400 is your magic, but it's not telling you anything about his marathon potential right now. If he did a marathon next week it would need to go perfectly to break 3hrs.

How is a lactometer, an instrument for measuring the density of milk, going to help you with your running?

WAPlover wrote:

How is a lactometer, an instrument for measuring the density of milk, going to help you with your running?

Sorry for my english ?

WAPlover wrote:

How is a lactometer, an instrument for measuring the density of milk, going to help you with your running?

More JS magic!

Look at JS here measuring the lactate of his countless marathon winners!

Hehe! )) I like humor! :) But if we look serious upon having control of correct lactate threshold I don`t need to measure it. My experience of the Art of coaching is enough for the runner to do the right pace that improve LT.

- mAGIC wINTER is here! - :)

The Wizard JS wrote:

Hehe! )) I like humor! :) But if we look serious upon having control of correct lactate threshold I don`t need to measure it. My experience of the Art of coaching is enough for the runner to do the right pace that improve LT.

- mAGIC wINTER is here! - :)

Liar!

Winter in the northern hemisphere starts in December!

123 5 wrote:

The Wizard JS wrote:

Hehe! )) I like humor! :) But if we look serious upon having control of correct lactate threshold I don`t need to measure it. My experience of the Art of coaching is enough for the runner to do the right pace that improve LT.

- mAGIC wINTER is here! - :)

Liar!

Winter in the northern hemisphere starts in December!

I`m sitting in my control room on the planet Mars. I`m hear on winter vacation. Here it`s cold and winter year round.....lol !

No updates on the training... no injury, I hope

The Wizard JS wrote:

Of course plain "language"only to experts

on low mileage training. "The secret" to run fast is mainly not about how many miles you run per week, it`s more about HOW you run your miles!

Ah, that makes me an expert. Run about 15 miles per week divided in 2 sessions and after a couple of weeks the marathon distance.

The Wizard JS wrote:

Hehe! )) I like humor! :) But if we look serious upon having control of correct lactate threshold I don`t need to measure it. My experience of the Art of coaching is enough for the runner to do the right pace that improve LT.

- mAGIC wINTER is here! - :)

Why didn't it work with Phil?

123 5 wrote:

The Wizard JS wrote:

Hehe! )) I like humor! :) But if we look serious upon having control of correct lactate threshold I don`t need to measure it. My experience of the Art of coaching is enough for the runner to do the right pace that improve LT.

- mAGIC wINTER is here! - :)

Why didn't it work with Phil?

Didn`t work?After almost 10 years delay I coached him to a new 10 miles PB. And he passed through half in his marathon at 1:10. Also he ran some solo 15 min at 5 k . My belief is that if he had given it at most 2 years more he had get his sub 2:20 marathon.

The Wizard JS wrote:

123 5 wrote:

Why didn't it work with Phil?

Didn`t work?After almost 10 years delay I coached him to a new 10 miles PB. And he passed through half in his marathon at 1:10. Also he ran some solo 15 min at 5 k . My belief is that if he had given it at most 2 years more he had get his sub 2:20 marathon.

So, it didn't work.

You accepted your services as a coach with the goal of running a sub 2:20 marathon THEN.

Not a 10 mile PR, not a sub 2:20 marathon two years later.

So the question is pertinent.

Why didn't it work with Phil?

And how stupid is it to say that he passed halfway in 1:10? You know what? Kamworor could pass halfway in 58:01 and then what?

So you failed.

So why didn't it work with Phil?

It just needed more time for him to run his sub 2:20. If you remember he wasn`t at so good shape when the coaching started.It was quite magical that I in relatively short time could get him break his old PB at 10 miles and win a couple of solo 5 k`s at around 15 min . As I`m sure he just needed some more time at the Dancan system, and at most two years to break his sub 2:20 marathon.

The Wizard JS wrote:

It just needed more time for him to run his sub 2:20. If you remember he wasn`t at so good shape when the coaching started.It was quite magical that I in relatively short time could get him break his old PB at 10 miles and win a couple of solo 5 k`s at around 15 min . As I`m sure he just needed some more time at the Dancan system, and at most two years to break his sub 2:20 marathon.

It's not magical at all that someone works with a coach and improves.

The question remains, why did it fail with Phil? Because you said you could coach him to a sub 2:20 then.

I am genuinely curious to know what failed. Not two year. That marathon. You said your "magic" would achieve it.

Wait what? Phil ran a 1:10 HM and 15 flat 5k? That doesn’t jive with his Strava or the PRs he lists. Am I missing something?

He passed through halfway in his marathon race at 1:10 ( 32:28 at first 10 k ). He ran a new PB at 10 miles race in 51 min and he won a couple of solo local 5 k races at around 15min.

We are talking laterunnerphil?

The Wizard JS wrote:

He passed through halfway in his marathon race at 1:10 ( 32:28 at first 10 k ). He ran a new PB at 10 miles race in 51 min and he won a couple of solo local 5 k races at around 15min.

And then blew up.

So you failed in your magic mission to have him run sub 2:20 then.

Why did your magic fail?