Official Israel vs Hamas thread

That was a good segment, highlighting all the disagreements of the day. Brooke was on some weak sauce unable to defend her views well. She got exposed. Arguments in support of what the IDF is doing have to be more specific. IMO, Israel doesn't want to get into details of their operation and its results so far, because it's very poorly supported.

They call ahead to warn people that they are about to strike. IF there are Hamas militants there, I assume they'd be the first to know or would find out with everyone else and leave anyway. So this approach to killing Hamas militants makes little sense to me. Or perhaps they can claim that they are more targeting Hamas operations and weapons/gear. In that case, it would be highly unlikely that a majority of those targets were legit - the volume of bombing is insane. They are choosing the way that gets more civilians killed.

My suspicion is that with mass bombings they accomplish more under the cover of killing Hamas which is "everywhere" - they get to more easily push Palestinians out, they don't have to deal with house to house fighting when the soldiers come in, they punish the population, they destroy everything (in case there really were weapons/ammo, that gets destroyed as well). It makes their immediate military goals and broader mission of driving out Palestinians much easier. What will Palestinians come back to after this? Half of Gaza is destroyed at this point.

You want more specificity on what the IDF is doing but refuse to provide any specificity about your brilliant plan to fix everything without violence or civilian casualties.

We were told it was a bunch of burned alive babies. According to their own findings, no children below the age of 3 and more than half were soldiers. Bibi's government definitely runs a propaganda machine and people wonder why the world is losing trust in what they say.

haaretz.com

Israel's dead: The names of those killed in Hamas massacres and the Israel-Hamas war

Haaretz

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Link:www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-19...

Well if it's just 3 year old's being burned alive and beheaded and only 764 of the raped and mutilated were civilians why is anyone upset at all right?

You're disgusting.

Never again, means never again for everyone.

JEWS AGAINST GENOCIDE!!!

Dear Trollminator.

You link to an article and then completely misrepresent it. a lot of the information (age, photo) is missing for many victims, so you cannot deduce the absolute number of babies. how do you define 'baby'?

If you click on the 'filter' you will see the categories; civilian; 764 military; 315 police 60 rescue 13. and yet you say 'more than half were solders. Blatant lie.

you will need to explain why you appear to baldly lie about an article you link, because as of now you have destroyed any credibility you might have had.

How do you define baby?

Some key take aways.

The official X (formerly Twitter) account of the state of Israel published a list of the names of the Israeli dead.

Mario Nawfal for instance, host of the roundtable show with 1 million followers on X, highlighted a section of the image and pointed out how almost half of the names belonged to Israeli soldiers.

Our CCN data analytics team examined the image and estimated that there are 1046 total people named (depending on if the middle name is included). From those, we counted 302 military personnel, amounting to 28.9% of the total figures. Haaretz claims 1149 of the dead have been identified with 318 of those being military. Many may point to the inconsistencies in the reporting of these statistics. The tweet by Israel also claims that the image shows 1400+ names, yet the actual number is far below, demonstrating yet again that Israeli media ought to be taken with a pinch of salt.

An X user has also analyzed the Haaretz figures and stated that only 1 baby and 25 minors died among the total of 1149 identified

Israel has provided a narrative of October 7th, which has Hamas fighters slaughtering all Israelis that they came across, burning houses and human bodies along the way. Yet if we examine the sources, including accounts from Israeli media, we arrive at a very different picture.
Israeli Television footage from October 7th shows a large number of buildings in the southern Israeli town of Be’eri completely demolished. The Israeli military personnel interviewed at the scene blamed the destruction of the buildings on Hamas fighters, who they say used rocket-propelled, and hand grenades. However, those weapons do not have the destructive capability to demolish entire multi-level buildings.
It has since been revealed within Israeli media sources that Israel’s armed forces were instructed to bombard Israeli residences and their own installations when they were besieged by combatants on October 7th. How many Israeli citizens said to have been “burned alive” were in fact killed by friendly fire?
Fresh accounts from Israeli observers of the unexpected assault on southern Israel on October 7th contribute to the burgeoning case that the Israeli military caused the demise of its own people in their efforts to eliminate Palestinian gunmen.

Even if your expert "random Twitter guy analysis" was true I fail to understand why you people think it's a good look for you to try to point out that "only" 1 infant and 25 minors were murdered.

It's also worth pointing out that your Hamas buddies live streamed the murders. There's video and photographic evidence of all of it. They laughed and praised their disgusting god the entire time they were raping children and beheading people.

The point is you can't take the Bibi government's word for gospel. I don't believe Hamas, but I'm also skeptical of Bibi's government. See, both can be true.

You can't take any government's word for gospel.

Giving Hamas the benefit of the doubt while you quibble over the number of Israeli infants executed in their own own homes is disgusting.

I encourage you to watch some of the video that Hamas made on 10/7. Pay particular attention to the "innocent Palestinians" behavior. When Hamas returns to Gaza with a naked Israeli they've raped and beaten to death on display the crowds cheer and abuse the corpse. Women and children right there participating.

There is ZERO moral equivalency between Israel and the palestinians.

It's not about moral equivalency, it's about accepting responsibility for wrong-doing. I don't expect that from terrorists, but as a democracy that is supposed to respect and observe international law Israel isn't holding itself to a good standard.

"Wrong-doing" according to Hamas and it's supporters.

Israel is the only country on earth that isn't allowed to win a war and is held to standards that no other nation on earth meets when they are at war.

They try to warn civilians before attacking.

They have a humanitarian corridor open. Which Hamas abuses.

They agreed to 4 hour cease fires every day for humanitarian purposes. Which Hamas will abuse.