You're railing at Bibi because he's on the right but Israel has a unity government and both sides support what's happening in Gaza. Israelis consider what happened on 10/7 to be an existential threat and the reaction of the world and people like yourself are proof that they are right.
You've yet to propose an alternative strategy beyond your ignorant belief that air strikes can be contained in single bedrooms.
Hamas will be removed from power. If the Palestinians are dumb enough to elect another terrorist government Israel will just have to do this again in the future.
Palestinians have rejected a 2 state solution every time it has been offered. They do not want peace.
What exactly do you think Israel should do?
I am well aware that most Israelis consider 10/7 to be an existential threat. I disagree that attack was an existential threat, but understand their emotions since they are always in violent conflict. The truth is attacks like that are limited and don't have the power to end Israel. I am not diminishing the loss and brutality at all - just pointing to the reality that those guys went into Israel assuming they would get killed in the process.
Extremist ideologies are existential threats and so is poor security and intel. So the solution I have proposed many times, if you were paying attention, is to tackle these two things. Bibi's administration did the opposite - they bolstered Hamas and worsened living conditions for Palestinians, and they failed on security. They need to work on initiatives that will improve conditions for Palestinians to drive them away from extremism, and they need to improve their own security and intel to prevent future attacks. Taking revenge with collective punishment of Palestinians will absolutely not end hate and violence toward Israelis. I guarantee you 99 out of 100 people are blaming Israel for the bombs that are raining down on them, and for the miserable humanitarian conditions they are dealing with. You have to be on the spectrum if you think bombing civilians will help them see the light.
There is no possibility that they violently wipe out Hamas. You know that, Israel knows that, Hamas knows that.
Hamas has stated unequivocally that they will try to carry out many more attacks just like 10/7. The only reason all 9 million Jews in Israel haven't been killed already is the superb performance of Israeli intelligence and security forces.
It is a blatant lie that "living conditions" are the source of the hatred for the Jews. Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians in a gesture of goodwill in 2005 and the Palestinians immediately elected a terrorist group to represent them.
You don't have to kill 100% of the people in Hamas to eradicate Hamas.
The moderate Palestinians know why they are being bombed. It's up to them to ensure they don't replace Hamas with another group of corrupt, thieving idiots who don't give a damn about them.
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I’m all for cutting aid to Yemen and Saudi Arabia. Why do you only support aid to Israel? $300B to date and Israel needs $20B more this year? What happened to your “We’re $33 trillion in debt“ mantra?
p.s. I don’t watch any tv. But feel free to keep speculating and look like a fool.
Well you're obviously getting your propaganda from somewhere and your laughably naive thoughts on how air strikes work clearly didn't come from reality.
I never said we should give Israel any money I'm simply asking why you people only have issues with sending money when it's the dirty Jews on the receiving end.
We've given almost as much if not more money to the countries which invaded Israel in 1948. You don't have a word to say about that though because there are basically no Jews left alive in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan.
So you *don't* think we should be giving Israel money?
I am well aware that most Israelis consider 10/7 to be an existential threat. I disagree that attack was an existential threat, but understand their emotions since they are always in violent conflict. The truth is attacks like that are limited and don't have the power to end Israel. I am not diminishing the loss and brutality at all - just pointing to the reality that those guys went into Israel assuming they would get killed in the process.
Extremist ideologies are existential threats and so is poor security and intel. So the solution I have proposed many times, if you were paying attention, is to tackle these two things. Bibi's administration did the opposite - they bolstered Hamas and worsened living conditions for Palestinians, and they failed on security. They need to work on initiatives that will improve conditions for Palestinians to drive them away from extremism, and they need to improve their own security and intel to prevent future attacks. Taking revenge with collective punishment of Palestinians will absolutely not end hate and violence toward Israelis. I guarantee you 99 out of 100 people are blaming Israel for the bombs that are raining down on them, and for the miserable humanitarian conditions they are dealing with. You have to be on the spectrum if you think bombing civilians will help them see the light.
There is no possibility that they violently wipe out Hamas. You know that, Israel knows that, Hamas knows that.
Hamas has stated unequivocally that they will try to carry out many more attacks just like 10/7. The only reason all 9 million Jews in Israel haven't been killed already is the superb performance of Israeli intelligence and security forces.
It is a blatant lie that "living conditions" are the source of the hatred for the Jews. Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians in a gesture of goodwill in 2005 and the Palestinians immediately elected a terrorist group to represent them.
You don't have to kill 100% of the people in Hamas to eradicate Hamas.
The moderate Palestinians know why they are being bombed. It's up to them to ensure they don't replace Hamas with another group of corrupt, thieving idiots who don't give a damn about them.
I want to debate adult in the room but he’s literally speaking like a schizophrenic. It would be like kicking an old dog at this point. We just let him howl at the moon
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Well you're obviously getting your propaganda from somewhere and your laughably naive thoughts on how air strikes work clearly didn't come from reality.
I never said we should give Israel any money I'm simply asking why you people only have issues with sending money when it's the dirty Jews on the receiving end.
We've given almost as much if not more money to the countries which invaded Israel in 1948. You don't have a word to say about that though because there are basically no Jews left alive in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan.
So you *don't* think we should be giving Israel money?
I've been quite clearly anti-government spending in every thread that's touched on the subject.
I've been very consistent in my stance that we shouldn't be giving anyone money while we're in debt.
The issue is people like yourself cheering and begging for more as we flush $113+ BILLION down the toilet in Ukraine while you pretend to care about fiscal responsibility.
We're not going to quit giving money away because politicians are corrupt and there's zero accountability in DC.
Given that the money will be spent no matter what I'd rather give it to Israel than Ukraine or the 100 other places that were the money is completely wasted.
So you *don't* think we should be giving Israel money?
I've been quite clearly anti-government spending in every thread that's touched on the subject.
I've been very consistent in my stance that we shouldn't be giving anyone money while we're in debt.
The issue is people like yourself cheering and begging for more as we flush $113+ BILLION down the toilet in Ukraine while you pretend to care about fiscal responsibility.
We're not going to quit giving money away because politicians are corrupt and there's zero accountability in DC.
Given that the money will be spent no matter what I'd rather give it to Israel than Ukraine or the 100 other places that were the money is completely wasted.
How is the money not wasted in Israel? $300 BILLION and they can't stop the worst terrorist attack in 70 years, while they have plenty of money for illegal settlements and war crimes. Again, Israel is a British invention - let them pay for it.
But if the "money will be spent no matter what" as you posit, I'd rather give it to Ukraine, where it's not completely wasted like in Israel.
I've been quite clearly anti-government spending in every thread that's touched on the subject.
I've been very consistent in my stance that we shouldn't be giving anyone money while we're in debt.
The issue is people like yourself cheering and begging for more as we flush $113+ BILLION down the toilet in Ukraine while you pretend to care about fiscal responsibility.
We're not going to quit giving money away because politicians are corrupt and there's zero accountability in DC.
Given that the money will be spent no matter what I'd rather give it to Israel than Ukraine or the 100 other places that were the money is completely wasted.
How is the money not wasted in Israel? $300 BILLION and they can't stop the worst terrorist attack in 70 years, while they have plenty of money for illegal settlements and war crimes. Again, Israel is a British invention - let them pay for it.
But if the "money will be spent no matter what" as you posit, I'd rather give it to Ukraine, where it's not completely wasted like in Israel.
They've thwarted 3 extermination attempts from all of their neighbors and they've thwarted countless terrorist attacks over the last 75 years.
They've also invested heavily in weapon systems like the Iron Dome which are essential when a nation is surrounded by people like you.
If Israel can't defend itself millions will die. While you'd enjoy this because they're just Jews decent people think it's well worth the money to keep Israel safe.
As always, your ignorance is showing. Britain didn't create Israel the UN did with Resolution 181. The UN mandated 2 states in 1947. 1 for "Palestinians" and 1 for Jews.
The arabs rejected this because they thought they could take it all by force. They failed 3 times and have been dedicated to terrorism ever since.
And Ukraine has never at any point had any hope of winning the war. That entire war has been a pointless waste of money and needless loss of tens of thousands of lives. It's November 2023 and you still haven't figured this out... pathetic.
How is the money not wasted in Israel? $300 BILLION and they can't stop the worst terrorist attack in 70 years, while they have plenty of money for illegal settlements and war crimes. Again, Israel is a British invention - let them pay for it.
But if the "money will be spent no matter what" as you posit, I'd rather give it to Ukraine, where it's not completely wasted like in Israel.
They've thwarted 3 extermination attempts from all of their neighbors and they've thwarted countless terrorist attacks over the last 75 years.
They've also invested heavily in weapon systems like the Iron Dome which are essential when a nation is surrounded by people like you.
If Israel can't defend itself millions will die. While you'd enjoy this because they're just Jews decent people think it's well worth the money to keep Israel safe.
As always, your ignorance is showing. Britain didn't create Israel the UN did with Resolution 181. The UN mandated 2 states in 1947. 1 for "Palestinians" and 1 for Jews.
The arabs rejected this because they thought they could take it all by force. They failed 3 times and have been dedicated to terrorism ever since.
And Ukraine has never at any point had any hope of winning the war. That entire war has been a pointless waste of money and needless loss of tens of thousands of lives. It's November 2023 and you still haven't figured this out... pathetic.
You seem totally fine with hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians dying, and would be totally fine if it was millions. Of course, decent people think it's well worth the money to keep Ukraine safe (and show Russia that invading your neighbors is a bad idea).
Israel came out of the Balfour Declaration (made by British government), which sought to create a "national home for the Jewish people", and the British Mandate for Palestine says,
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country...
Britain's creation. Britain's problem. Let them pay for it.
They've thwarted 3 extermination attempts from all of their neighbors and they've thwarted countless terrorist attacks over the last 75 years.
They've also invested heavily in weapon systems like the Iron Dome which are essential when a nation is surrounded by people like you.
If Israel can't defend itself millions will die. While you'd enjoy this because they're just Jews decent people think it's well worth the money to keep Israel safe.
As always, your ignorance is showing. Britain didn't create Israel the UN did with Resolution 181. The UN mandated 2 states in 1947. 1 for "Palestinians" and 1 for Jews.
The arabs rejected this because they thought they could take it all by force. They failed 3 times and have been dedicated to terrorism ever since.
And Ukraine has never at any point had any hope of winning the war. That entire war has been a pointless waste of money and needless loss of tens of thousands of lives. It's November 2023 and you still haven't figured this out... pathetic.
You seem totally fine with hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians dying, and would be totally fine if it was millions. Of course, decent people think it's well worth the money to keep Ukraine safe (and show Russia that invading your neighbors is a bad idea).
Israel came out of the Balfour Declaration (made by British government), which sought to create a "national home for the Jewish people", and the British Mandate for Palestine says,
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country...
Britain's creation. Britain's problem. Let them pay for it.
I wasn't fine with any Ukrainians dying. I wanted to avoid the war you wanted to make it last as long as possible despite Ukraine having ZERO hope of victory.
Money and weapons alone were never enough to win the war and everyone who isn't a f*cking idiot understood this very early on.
If the Balfour Declaration is what created Israel why did the Jews wait until after UN Resolution 181 to become a state?
I want to debate adult in the room but he’s literally speaking like a schizophrenic. It would be like kicking an old dog at this point. We just let him howl at the moon
I stopped. The responses are insane and packed with lies. There is no way to meaningfully engage someone like this.
I've been quite clearly anti-government spending in every thread that's touched on the subject.
I've been very consistent in my stance that we shouldn't be giving anyone money while we're in debt.
The issue is people like yourself cheering and begging for more as we flush $113+ BILLION down the toilet in Ukraine while you pretend to care about fiscal responsibility.
We're not going to quit giving money away because politicians are corrupt and there's zero accountability in DC.
Given that the money will be spent no matter what I'd rather give it to Israel than Ukraine or the 100 other places that were the money is completely wasted.
How is the money not wasted in Israel? $300 BILLION and they can't stop the worst terrorist attack in 70 years, while they have plenty of money for illegal settlements and war crimes. Again, Israel is a British invention - let them pay for it.
But if the "money will be spent no matter what" as you posit, I'd rather give it to Ukraine, where it's not completely wasted like in Israel.
Again, this is not to take away from the magnitude of the Israeli loss and culpability of Hamas, but my what a colossal fkn failure to secure themselves. Those aholes literally just cut and bulldozed border fence all over and walked in without any resistance for several hours. Israel was supposed to have the most successful "wall" ever. That's just the physical security. This was a highly coordinated attack that must have taken months to plan. Israel has eyes and ears everywhere but somehow missed this one. Colossal fkn failure deserving of a giant boot to Bibi's corrupt a$$. Bibi was too busy focusing on the settlements.
I want to debate adult in the room but he’s literally speaking like a schizophrenic. It would be like kicking an old dog at this point. We just let him howl at the moon
I stopped. The responses are insane and packed with lies. There is no way to meaningfully engage someone like this.
Ironic consider your entire argument is built on the lie that Israel is an occupier.
Apparently Biden is urging Bibi to agree to a 3-day pause in "fighting". According to officials, Bibi is resisting because he thinks that Israel could lose the current international support it has for the operation if the fighting stops for 3 days.
It highlights the massive disconnect - Israel is losing international support by the hour BECAUSE of its ongoing operation.
Apparently Biden is urging Bibi to agree to a 3-day pause in "fighting". According to officials, Bibi is resisting because he thinks that Israel could lose the current international support it has for the operation if the fighting stops for 3 days.
It highlights the massive disconnect - Israel is losing international support by the hour BECAUSE of its ongoing operation.
Israel never had international support. Are you lying or just ignorant?
Apparently Biden is urging Bibi to agree to a 3-day pause in "fighting". According to officials, Bibi is resisting because he thinks that Israel could lose the current international support it has for the operation if the fighting stops for 3 days.
It highlights the massive disconnect - Israel is losing international support by the hour BECAUSE of its ongoing operation.
Israel never had international support. Are you lying or just ignorant?