Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

maybe some would stay home and not vote, ok I'll accept that

but almost all would just make the calculus...supreme court justices appointed by trump would try to end Roe v Wade... So they'd keep their eye on that ball and decide to dance with the devil.

heh. I like what I did there.

I agree with agip that I don't think the Christian right will abandon him even with an abortion story that proves true, but I hope, both for society in general and for the view of the Christian right that you are correct and that I will be wrong here. They have certainly given him more leeway than you would imagine a bunch of Christians would give a person who behaves like he does.

Just to be clear though, there are a LOT of liberal Evangelicals. Evangelical doesn't mean conservative.

I think Flagpole and Fats are discounting the power of partisanship here -

I mean Trump literally made the NFL and the FBI unpopular among Republicans and he made Putin and Russia a favorite.

Then there is free trade, deficit hawking etc, where he told repubs to believe the opposite of what they have always believed, and they followed orders.

The GOP is the Trumpist party - it's not a conservative party anymore.

well just fats might be underestimating the power of partisanship, after reading FP's post

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Meh. I'm not saying many of them don't also want to protect the life of the unborn, but things would be very different if it were men who got pregnant. Paternalism is such a big part of the Christian right that often they can't see straight. Just convenient that protecting the unborn also goes hand in hand with telling women what to do. I'm definitely not ashamed. If the Christian right would behave differently, I would have a different opinion.

You are wrong about that too Flagman. These days, the Christian right barely pays lip service to paternalism. The concept of the submissive woman has been extremely watered down in the past generation. It's just not that big of a "thing" any more.

I guess we will just have to disagree there. Getting better slowly, but definitely still a thing, and still a big thing in my experience. Many conservative women could not get themselves to vote for Hillary in part because she was a woman, and many of them said that (on YouTube and elsewhere, including some to me personally). We are behind most of Europe when it comes to more progressive or liberal ideas about sex, drug and alcohol use, women in power, etc. I'm not saying that's all bad necessarily, just saying it is.

DiscoGary wrote:

Comic relief as we approach the 33,333 rd post:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/07/26/egyptian-zoo-accused-painting-donkey-to-look-like-zebra.html

Sometimes it pays to read Fox News.

I actually found that more interesting than the CNN chip in Putin's soccer ball story.

We can agree to disagree. Fundamentalist Christians are not as cynical as you think. Most of them are good people who have been brainwashed by Fox News and a pastor who goes along with it.

But if Trump paid for an abortion, it would just be a bridge too far. They would feel horribly betrayed. And the pastors would call for Trump to step aside and make way for Pence, who they all trust implicitly.

agip wrote:

I think Flagpole and Fats are discounting the power of partisanship here -

I mean Trump literally made the NFL and the FBI unpopular among Republicans and he made Putin and Russia a favorite.

Then there is free trade, deficit hawking etc, where he told repubs to believe the opposite of what they have always believed, and they followed orders.

The GOP is the Trumpist party - it's not a conservative party anymore.

You are correct about partisanship. This is MORE prevalent in the Republican Party, again due to a want, a need for Paternalism. Submit to authoritarian leaders who are mainly men, and mainly white men at that, submit to an all-powerful God. These are ideals that more resonate with Republicans, even the current crop of Trumpers than do with Democrats.

So, the question is, have former conservatives really changed philosophically to go along with Trump, or are many of them two-issue voters. What two issues? Abortion and the Second Amendment. I actually don't know the answer. I could see that they follow Trump due to those two issues mainly, but there is also the Cult of Personality that is involved there. Likely a mix of both.

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

maybe some would stay home and not vote, ok I'll accept that

but almost all would just make the calculus...supreme court justices appointed by trump would try to end Roe v Wade... So they'd keep their eye on that ball and decide to dance with the devil.

heh. I like what I did there.

We can agree to disagree. Fundamentalist Christians are not as cynical as you think. Most of them are good people who have been brainwashed by Fox News and a pastor who goes along with it.

But if Trump paid for an abortion, it would just be a bridge too far. They would feel horribly betrayed. And the pastors would call for Trump to step aside and make way for Pence, who they all trust implicitly.

1) I agree that Fundamentalist Christians are not necessarily cynical. I also agree that many are very good people. One of my favorite people in the world is a Fundamentalist Christian gun-toting guy. He happens to be one of the best people on the planet.

2) I hope you are correct that the abortion would be too far. I have LOST some respect for Christians who have supported him thus far. Some of that lost respect would come back (but not all just yet) if they turned their backs on him with this.

And we still haven't heard from Gary or Rigged about whether they would still support Trump if he indeed did get a Playboy Playmate pregnant and then paid $1.6 million for her abortion and silence.

Gary and Rigged...care to answer?

I think both of you will continue to support him as vehemently as you have all along.

What say you?

Flagpole wrote:

DiscoGary and Rigged For Hillary,

Will you care at all if it turns out that Trump got a Playboy playmate pregnant and that he paid $1.6 million for her to get an abortion and to hush up about it? I'm guessing no, but I'm curious.

Flagpole

Did you care to use your brain before you voted for Hillary Clinton who stole money from innocent stricken Haitians? Does that no bother you that they stole Millions of dollars? I'm guessing no, but I'm curious.

Doesn't matter if she didn't win, it matters that the information that I just shared is well-known but you didn't care at all. Don't even get me started on the Fake Clinton Foundation! You were for Dick Morris, until he told the truth about the Crook and her husband.

For Flagpole wrote:

^ Nuthin'Burger

One word of advice, just one word for the week—and the word is emoluments. (a take on The Graduate, for those who didn't follow)

The emoluments lawsuit is first time that federal judge ever has ruled on the meaning of the word “emolument” in the Constitution. We'll see where it goes.

For Flagpole wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

DiscoGary and Rigged For Hillary,

Will you care at all if it turns out that Trump got a Playboy playmate pregnant and that he paid $1.6 million for her to get an abortion and to hush up about it? I'm guessing no, but I'm curious.

Flagpole

Did you care to use your brain before you voted for Hillary Clinton who stole money from innocent stricken Haitians? Does that no bother you that they stole Millions of dollars? I'm guessing no, but I'm curious.

Doesn't matter if she didn't win, it matters that the information that I just shared is well-known but you didn't care at all. Don't even get me started on the Fake Clinton Foundation! You were for Dick Morris, until he told the truth about the Crook and her husband.

1) Not going to answer any Hillary questions because I have done that ad nauseum, and I'm not going to keep correcting people about her or the Clinton Foundation forever. She lost. I'm over it. You should be too. She is irrelevant.

2) I WILL answer about Dick Morris though. I actually never liked that guy, and he left the Democrats because he was caught with a hooker while working for B. Clinton and let her listen in on conversations he was having with Clinton and was basically disowned by the Democrats, so he HAD to move over to the Republicans. He then got his Romney/Obama election prediction so wrong that Fox News banned him from being a contributor on their network anymore, so he just started writing books that he thought would make him money. He just goes where the opportunities to make money are. I can't respect that. No integrity at all.

3) You and others here assume for some reason that I think the Clintons are great people. I don't. I stopped being a supporter of Bill Clinton long ago, and I really don't care to hear his opinion on anything. While Hillary would have been a better President by far than Trump, I'm no fan of hers either. She is, at the very least, a hypocrite when it comes to talking about empowering women when she has (at a minimum) a scoundrel of a husband.

Here's an example that might set you straight:

FADE IN

EXT. ICE CREAM SHOP - DAY

In the midst of a bustling big city, a large OPEN sign glows red.

INT. ICE CREAM SHOP - DAY

FLAGPOLE, a muscular, powerful, outrageously handsome man of great intellect, ambles over to the counter.

FLAGPOLE

(looking at the ice cream choices)

No tin roof? No pumpkin spice? No chocolate of any kind?

EMPLOYEE

No. Today we have only Oil of Butt Sweat and Fat Free Vanilla made with Grade B skim milk.

FLAGPOLE

(begrudgingly)

I'll take the Vanilla. When will you have other flavors?

EMPLOYEE

Probably not for 4 years minimum, though it's possible people will get tired of Oil of Butt Sweat before then. Our distributor is pushing something called Pence Pandemonium. It is very white vanilla with bacon in it, but apparently you can't eat it with women you aren't married to.

FLAGPOLE

Huh.

FADE TO BLACK

Nuthin'Burger wrote:

For Flagpole wrote:

^ Nuthin'Burger

Hi Flagpole!!!

Mark Hannis wrote:

Best Trailer Park in Ohio wrote:

Speaking of trailer parks, I can see why Flagpole wants to move. He is wearing a purple t-shirt, see the 1:05 min mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs6y5ItP7DA

Does Flagpole really live in a mobile home park?

Not sure if he lives in a mobile home, but has been outed as not being as “rich” as he has claimed.

Your head is balder than your over-inflated ego! Too funny, talk about severe insecurity! You are really so overly desperate in your attempt to seek the approval of others---how embarrassing and pathetic of a human being are you? Please tell me you're not married.

Snippet wrote:

Not sure if he lives in a mobile home, but has been outed as not being as “rich” as he has claimed.

Trump lives in the White House. It does not appear to have wheels.

Indeed, Trump is not as "rich" as he has claimed. Trump guesses he is worth $10 B. Forbes pegs his net worth at $3.1 B.

Snippet wrote:

Mark Hannis wrote:

Does Flagpole really live in a mobile home park?

Not sure if he lives in a mobile home, but has been outed as not being as “rich” as he has claimed.

??? Nope! Sorry, but untrue.

I will give you my definition of rich...when the annual average of your investments makes more than you make in income from working, then you are rich. I suppose there could be exceptions there like for example if you made very little income (which is not the case for me) or if you had a ton of debt (which is not the case for me). I personally also put in the extra caveat that I had to be debt free including the house.