Bombing an area where you know civilians to be present sure as hell can be a war crime:
It’s not at all clear that Israel has met this bar. Bombing an entire apartment building because you think there may be a Hamas terrorist in Apt. 3b is a war crime.
Sure. Israel can pack the f*ck up and go away. It didn’t exist in 1900, the world would be just fine if it didn’t exist now. Perfectly viable option and saves the US taxpayer billions of dollars per year. More realistically, they could stop building hundreds of illegal settlements on Palestinian land for starters. What’s abundantly clear is that Israel’s current policies aren’t doing jack sh*t to keep Israelis safe AND are only perpetuating the conflict by radicalizing the next generation of Palestinians. So, unless you’re promoting the genocide of all Palestinians, it’s not clear that you have any sort of solution either.
Back to wherever they lived between 700 B.CE. and 1900, when there was no Israel. Let’s give them all of Russia West of the Urals. Or, Texas.
I have no problem with the Jews. I have a problem with Israel committing war crimes in the name of revenge. Again, you’re unable to separate people 100% in support of Israel committing war crimes and antisemitism.
Furthermore, we’re $33 trillion in debt, we’ve spend a quarter trillion dollars defending Israel, planning to sends tens of billion more dollars, and they still can’t keep their border fence intact, and are pursuing a policy that is 100% guaranteed to fuel further conflict. I think we should ask for that money back (with interest).
Also, Israel is in the Arab World’s sphere of influence. According to the Monroe Doctrine BS you apply to Ukraine, it therefore doesn’t have any right to exist and we should support its destruction. Or does Israel get special treatment?
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So the answer is for Israel to stoop to Hamas' level and not give a damn about civilians? Hamas is a terrorist organization that doesn't recognize international law. What did you expect?
Are the IDF dropping into Palestinian music festivals and gunning down teenagers while dressed as Palestinians medics? If not, then they're not stooping down to Hamas's level, they're retaliating, justifiably. Were the British and US's bombing runs in Germany "stooping down to the level of the nazi's?"
They are supposed to be at war with Hamas, but their actions have been aimed at non-combatants and the outcome is that its mostly Palestinian civilians are dying. So again, the retaliation is amounting to punishment, and this is clearly not going to achieve the objective of ending Hamas. Comparing this to WWII is just so stupid. Hamas = Germany??? Come on man.
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Back to wherever they lived between 700 B.CE. and 1900, when there was no Israel. Let’s give them all of Russia West of the Urals. Or, Texas.
I have no problem with the Jews. I have a problem with Israel committing war crimes in the name of revenge. Again, you’re unable to separate people 100% in support of Israel committing war crimes and antisemitism.
Furthermore, we’re $33 trillion in debt, we’ve spend a quarter trillion dollars defending Israel, planning to sends tens of billion more dollars, and they still can’t keep their border fence intact, and are pursuing a policy that is 100% guaranteed to fuel further conflict. I think we should ask for that money back (with interest).
Also, Israel is in the Arab World’s sphere of influence. According to the Monroe Doctrine BS you apply to Ukraine, it therefore doesn’t have any right to exist and we should support its destruction. Or does Israel get special treatment?
You have a BIG problem with the Jews no matter how often you claim you don't.
We've given Israel about $130 billion in 75 years. You cheered as we gave more than that to Ukraine in the last 2 years alone for absolutely NOTHING in return beyond the embarrassment of losing a war and the senseless death of 100,000+ Ukrainians all to achieve the outcome every non-imbecile on the planet knew was inevitable the day of the invasion. It's not about the money. It's about the Jews.
200,000+ civilians have been butchered in Yemen and Syria and you never gave a damn at all. It's not about "war crimes" or pretending you care about innocent lives. It's about the Jews.
Jews have been persecuted in the western world for about 2000 years now. To this day even before the war broke out you and your friends made sure Jews were the #1 recipient of hate crimes in America despite being a tiny fraction of the population. Jews live as oppressed 2nd class citizens anywhere in the muslim world that they haven't been killed or driven out of yet. As I'm sure you fondly remember Europe tried to round all the Jews up and kill them in the 1940s.
The British promised the Jews their own state in Israel. The UN promised Israel it's own state in Israel so after being nearly exterminated by people like you they made the state and more people like you instantly invaded it and tried to kill them all AGAIN. They won the war and every war of extermination after that.
I've historically been pro-Israel on the basis that they have been a democratic state in the middle of a very turbulent region with lots of enemies who openly want to wipe them out.
Chicken or egg arguments won't do any good and I don't think most people residing in the area should be blamed for the actions of those before them.
I despise any terrorist organization AND I am also against excessive killing of civilians. Hamas deserves only death and destruction for what they did, but that death and destruction has to come to them mostly and not civilians. Knowing for a fact that Israel will not end Hamas this way (not even if they drop a nuke on Gaza), every day I question why they are taking this approach if not for collective punishment.
Everyone understands revenge and could even give a country a moral pass, but this is beyond excessive in particular because it doesn't help the objective at all and will only increase the threat to Israel.
I am currently very much against Bibi and the path of excessive response the IDF is still on. Israel is not supposed to be committing war crimes, yet all their actions have pointed in that direction. Disallowing aid, electricity, fuel, food, water, medical supplies and significant levels of humanitarian aid to ALL of Gaza is very telling. They say they've done this to prevent aiding the enemy, but are thus taking the position that massive civilians casualties are fine. They are in fact maximizing civilian losses this way and not minimizing them. Then there is the question of why they won't allow reporters into Gaza - doesn't look good at all.
My other point is that Israel is supposed to better than this. It is a democracy that supposedly respects international law. They have stooped to a very low level of humanity here... was some response provoked? Of course! But Israel chose to take this VERY debatable path of Palestinian destruction in the name of killing Hamas. Some are saying well look at what Hamas did, they were inhumane too! No $hit they were inhumane - they are a terrorist organization. This is precisely my point. If Israel behaves with negligible regard for civilian lives they look like monsters too.
And to this some say - but it's war! Great, let's talk strategy. For every Hamas ahole they kill, they destroy many innocent lives and create new terrorists. What happened when Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 in the name of driving out militants? Hezbollah happened. Bibi actively bolstered Hamas for many years and allowed Qatari money to flow into Gaza freely since 2018. Hamas leadership is not in Gaza right now. They are spread out and many are in Qatar. Iran would never let them dissolve. This Israeli military crusade is likely going to strengthen the extremist ideology fueling Hamas. The humanitarian disaster in Gaza is going to create the conditions for potentially worse terrorist groups to rise up. We've seen this game play out before, and Israel is not the US with an ocean separating if from threats.
We've given away well over a TRILLION but it's only the money going to the Jews that bothers you.
See if you can figure out how much money we've given to Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon since 1946.
And the money to Israel is the only money you’re in favor of. Israel is a British creation. Let them pay for it.
Between 1951 and 2022, Israel received $225.2 billion in US military aid, adjusted for inflation,
Between 1951 and 2022, Israel has received $92.7 billion in US economic aid, adjusted for inflation
Maybe they’ll get Mexico to pay for the wall next time!
Are we seriously supposed to believe that it's just a coincidence that the single time in your life you even pretend to care about fiscal responsibility involves the Jews?
You couldn't get them to spend money fast enough to kill Ukrainians.
And it's hilarious that you think the Democrat's open border policies are a good look for you. Even leftist sh*ts like Eric Adams, Brandon Johnson, and London Breed are whining about too many illegals now.
I've historically been pro-Israel on the basis that they have been a democratic state in the middle of a very turbulent region with lots of enemies who openly want to wipe them out.
Chicken or egg arguments won't do any good and I don't think most people residing in the area should be blamed for the actions of those before them.
I despise any terrorist organization AND I am also against excessive killing of civilians. Hamas deserves only death and destruction for what they did, but that death and destruction has to come to them mostly and not civilians. Knowing for a fact that Israel will not end Hamas this way (not even if they drop a nuke on Gaza), every day I question why they are taking this approach if not for collective punishment.
Everyone understands revenge and could even give a country a moral pass, but this is beyond excessive in particular because it doesn't help the objective at all and will only increase the threat to Israel.
I am currently very much against Bibi and the path of excessive response the IDF is still on. Israel is not supposed to be committing war crimes, yet all their actions have pointed in that direction. Disallowing aid, electricity, fuel, food, water, medical supplies and significant levels of humanitarian aid to ALL of Gaza is very telling. They say they've done this to prevent aiding the enemy, but are thus taking the position that massive civilians casualties are fine. They are in fact maximizing civilian losses this way and not minimizing them. Then there is the question of why they won't allow reporters into Gaza - doesn't look good at all.
My other point is that Israel is supposed to better than this. It is a democracy that supposedly respects international law. They have stooped to a very low level of humanity here... was some response provoked? Of course! But Israel chose to take this VERY debatable path of Palestinian destruction in the name of killing Hamas. Some are saying well look at what Hamas did, they were inhumane too! No $hit they were inhumane - they are a terrorist organization. This is precisely my point. If Israel behaves with negligible regard for civilian lives they look like monsters too.
And to this some say - but it's war! Great, let's talk strategy. For every Hamas ahole they kill, they destroy many innocent lives and create new terrorists. What happened when Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 in the name of driving out militants? Hezbollah happened. Bibi actively bolstered Hamas for many years and allowed Qatari money to flow into Gaza freely since 2018. Hamas leadership is not in Gaza right now. They are spread out and many are in Qatar. Iran would never let them dissolve. This Israeli military crusade is likely going to strengthen the extremist ideology fueling Hamas. The humanitarian disaster in Gaza is going to create the conditions for potentially worse terrorist groups to rise up. We've seen this game play out before, and Israel is not the US with an ocean separating if from threats.
You're railing at Bibi because he's on the right but Israel has a unity government and both sides support what's happening in Gaza. Israelis consider what happened on 10/7 to be an existential threat and the reaction of the world and people like yourself are proof that they are right.
You've yet to propose an alternative strategy beyond your ignorant belief that air strikes can be contained in single bedrooms.
Hamas will be removed from power. If the Palestinians are dumb enough to elect another terrorist government Israel will just have to do this again in the future.
Palestinians have rejected a 2 state solution every time it has been offered. They do not want peace.
What exactly do you think Israel should do?
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You're railing at Bibi because he's on the right but Israel has a unity government and both sides support what's happening in Gaza. Israelis consider what happened on 10/7 to be an existential threat and the reaction of the world and people like yourself are proof that they are right.
You've yet to propose an alternative strategy beyond your ignorant belief that air strikes can be contained in single bedrooms.
Hamas will be removed from power. If the Palestinians are dumb enough to elect another terrorist government Israel will just have to do this again in the future.
Palestinians have rejected a 2 state solution every time it has been offered. They do not want peace.
What exactly do you think Israel should do?
There are lots of solutions that don’t involve collective punishment or killing 10,000 civilians by indiscriminate bombing. They could have let Gazans leave Gaza before they started air strikes. They could have allowed food and water and gas in. They could have accepted that their policies for the last 15 years have created a radicalized population that feels the best solution is the destruction of Israel and not taken the approach that is guaranteed to produce the most Gazans that resent Israel. But, they chose war crimes on American tax payer dime.
You're railing at Bibi because he's on the right but Israel has a unity government and both sides support what's happening in Gaza. Israelis consider what happened on 10/7 to be an existential threat and the reaction of the world and people like yourself are proof that they are right.
You've yet to propose an alternative strategy beyond your ignorant belief that air strikes can be contained in single bedrooms.
Hamas will be removed from power. If the Palestinians are dumb enough to elect another terrorist government Israel will just have to do this again in the future.
Palestinians have rejected a 2 state solution every time it has been offered. They do not want peace.
What exactly do you think Israel should do?
There are lots of solutions that don’t involve collective punishment or killing 10,000 civilians by indiscriminate bombing. They could have let Gazans leave Gaza before they started air strikes. They could have allowed food and water and gas in. They could have accepted that their policies for the last 15 years have created a radicalized population that feels the best solution is the destruction of Israel and not taken the approach that is guaranteed to produce the most Gazans that resent Israel. But, they chose war crimes on American tax payer dime.
Exactly. You have no better solution.
You watch way too much TV.
We've given billions to Yemen and Saudi Arabia which they've used to slaughter 200,000 civilians in the last 5 years.
Why do you only pretend to be upset about civilian deaths and war crimes when Jews are involved?
There are lots of solutions that don’t involve collective punishment or killing 10,000 civilians by indiscriminate bombing. They could have let Gazans leave Gaza before they started air strikes. They could have allowed food and water and gas in. They could have accepted that their policies for the last 15 years have created a radicalized population that feels the best solution is the destruction of Israel and not taken the approach that is guaranteed to produce the most Gazans that resent Israel. But, they chose war crimes on American tax payer dime.
Exactly. You have no better solution.
You watch way too much TV.
We've given billions to Yemen and Saudi Arabia which they've used to slaughter 200,000 civilians in the last 5 years.
Why do you only pretend to be upset about civilian deaths and war crimes when Jews are involved?
I’m all for cutting aid to Yemen and Saudi Arabia. Why do you only support aid to Israel? $300B to date and Israel needs $20B more this year? What happened to your “We’re $33 trillion in debt“ mantra?
p.s. I don’t watch any tv. But feel free to keep speculating and look like a fool.
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I've historically been pro-Israel on the basis that they have been a democratic state in the middle of a very turbulent region with lots of enemies who openly want to wipe them out.
Chicken or egg arguments won't do any good and I don't think most people residing in the area should be blamed for the actions of those before them.
I despise any terrorist organization AND I am also against excessive killing of civilians. Hamas deserves only death and destruction for what they did, but that death and destruction has to come to them mostly and not civilians. Knowing for a fact that Israel will not end Hamas this way (not even if they drop a nuke on Gaza), every day I question why they are taking this approach if not for collective punishment.
Everyone understands revenge and could even give a country a moral pass, but this is beyond excessive in particular because it doesn't help the objective at all and will only increase the threat to Israel.
I am currently very much against Bibi and the path of excessive response the IDF is still on. Israel is not supposed to be committing war crimes, yet all their actions have pointed in that direction. Disallowing aid, electricity, fuel, food, water, medical supplies and significant levels of humanitarian aid to ALL of Gaza is very telling. They say they've done this to prevent aiding the enemy, but are thus taking the position that massive civilians casualties are fine. They are in fact maximizing civilian losses this way and not minimizing them. Then there is the question of why they won't allow reporters into Gaza - doesn't look good at all.
My other point is that Israel is supposed to better than this. It is a democracy that supposedly respects international law. They have stooped to a very low level of humanity here... was some response provoked? Of course! But Israel chose to take this VERY debatable path of Palestinian destruction in the name of killing Hamas. Some are saying well look at what Hamas did, they were inhumane too! No $hit they were inhumane - they are a terrorist organization. This is precisely my point. If Israel behaves with negligible regard for civilian lives they look like monsters too.
And to this some say - but it's war! Great, let's talk strategy. For every Hamas ahole they kill, they destroy many innocent lives and create new terrorists. What happened when Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 in the name of driving out militants? Hezbollah happened. Bibi actively bolstered Hamas for many years and allowed Qatari money to flow into Gaza freely since 2018. Hamas leadership is not in Gaza right now. They are spread out and many are in Qatar. Iran would never let them dissolve. This Israeli military crusade is likely going to strengthen the extremist ideology fueling Hamas. The humanitarian disaster in Gaza is going to create the conditions for potentially worse terrorist groups to rise up. We've seen this game play out before, and Israel is not the US with an ocean separating if from threats.
You're railing at Bibi because he's on the right but Israel has a unity government and both sides support what's happening in Gaza. Israelis consider what happened on 10/7 to be an existential threat and the reaction of the world and people like yourself are proof that they are right.
You've yet to propose an alternative strategy beyond your ignorant belief that air strikes can be contained in single bedrooms.
Hamas will be removed from power. If the Palestinians are dumb enough to elect another terrorist government Israel will just have to do this again in the future.
Palestinians have rejected a 2 state solution every time it has been offered. They do not want peace.
What exactly do you think Israel should do?
I am well aware that most Israelis consider 10/7 to be an existential threat. I disagree that attack was an existential threat, but understand their emotions since they are always in violent conflict. The truth is attacks like that are limited and don't have the power to end Israel. I am not diminishing the loss and brutality at all - just pointing to the reality that those guys went into Israel assuming they would get killed in the process.
Extremist ideologies are existential threats and so is poor security and intel. So the solution I have proposed many times, if you were paying attention, is to tackle these two things. Bibi's administration did the opposite - they bolstered Hamas and worsened living conditions for Palestinians, and they failed on security. They need to work on initiatives that will improve conditions for Palestinians to drive them away from extremism, and they need to improve their own security and intel to prevent future attacks. Taking revenge with collective punishment of Palestinians will absolutely not end hate and violence toward Israelis. I guarantee you 99 out of 100 people are blaming Israel for the bombs that are raining down on them, and for the miserable humanitarian conditions they are dealing with. You have to be on the spectrum if you think bombing civilians will help them see the light.
There is no possibility that they violently wipe out Hamas. You know that, Israel knows that, Hamas knows that.
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We've given billions to Yemen and Saudi Arabia which they've used to slaughter 200,000 civilians in the last 5 years.
Why do you only pretend to be upset about civilian deaths and war crimes when Jews are involved?
I’m all for cutting aid to Yemen and Saudi Arabia. Why do you only support aid to Israel? $300B to date and Israel needs $20B more this year? What happened to your “We’re $33 trillion in debt“ mantra?
p.s. I don’t watch any tv. But feel free to keep speculating and look like a fool.
Well you're obviously getting your propaganda from somewhere and your laughably naive thoughts on how air strikes work clearly didn't come from reality.
I never said we should give Israel any money I'm simply asking why you people only have issues with sending money when it's the dirty Jews on the receiving end.
We've given almost as much if not more money to the countries which invaded Israel in 1948. You don't have a word to say about that though because there are basically no Jews left alive in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan.
