On a separate point, it is so irrelevant to see repeated attacks made on particular commenters because some here don't like their views. You would think that only one commenter was suspicious of Kenyan or African doping - which isn't true. Attacking a particular commenter whose views you don't like doesn't refute those suspicions. But at the end of the day, commenters are simply expressing their opinions; no-one here is making laws or laying down unarguable truths. Some folks could chill.
Subway Surfers wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/896454693777543169?lang=enhttps://mobile.twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/896456711732682752No say it ain't so. Nothing suspicious here.
Damage control 101: Downplay the incident. ?
Armstronglivs wrote:
On a separate point, it is so irrelevant to see repeated attacks made on particular commenters because some here don't like their views. You would think that only one commenter was suspicious of Kenyan or African doping - which isn't true. Attacking a particular commenter whose views you don't like doesn't refute those suspicions. But at the end of the day, commenters are simply expressing their opinions; no-one here is making laws or laying down unarguable truths. Some folks could chill.
I totally agree with this statement. It is rare event indeed, that robust debates on these threads do not suddenly devolve into personal slanging matches. Nobody who engages or participates in this comes out with much credibility.
There is nothing wrong with holding a strong opinion on certain athletes or practises within the sport. But we all need to maintain our willingness to listen to the opinions of others.
Barrel of Laughs wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/896454693777543169?lang=enhttps://mobile.twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/896456711732682752No say it ain't so. Nothing suspicious here.
Damage control 101: Downplay the incident. ?
Or ignore like all the SJW NPCs do.
The rampant doping by E. Africans combined with Political Correctness has ruined the sport. Hopefully it can be repaired.
It's worth noting that anyone who believes Tefera is a teenager is naive, has an agenda, or is a complete idiot. There are fast Ethiopian teens, but he isn't one of them. He's at least as old as Kejelcha - who's actually closer to 30 than 20. The age thing is a mess. Track and field needs to the MRI wrist test like soccer did when African cheating was ruining the sport in the junior divisions.
It must be great to be able to train in Kenya and Ethiopia and avoid testing with the full support of federations and governments. Sure, some of these guys train in the US and elsewhere. Then they go home to fuel up. Like Mo getting away with murder because he could cry "racist" when his training with cheats is brought up, never mind his buddy on video buying EPO.
Hopefully Jakob can keep improving. He's at a disadvantage against talented runners who are allowed to cheat. Sure, he stands a chance in a kicker's race (as did Centro et al in the slow Rio 1500) but he's going to run into trouble in sub 3:30 and sub 13 races against guys doped to their eyeballs.
Decent run by Jakob wrote:
Barrel of Laughs wrote:
Damage control 101: Downplay the incident. ?
Or ignore like all the SJW NPCs do.
The rampant doping by E. Africans combined with Political Correctness has ruined the sport. Hopefully it can be repaired.
It's worth noting that anyone who believes Tefera is a teenager is naive, has an agenda, or is a complete idiot. There are fast Ethiopian teens, but he isn't one of them. He's at least as old as Kejelcha - who's actually closer to 30 than 20. The age thing is a mess. Track and field needs to the MRI wrist test like soccer did when African cheating was ruining the sport in the junior divisions.
It must be great to be able to train in Kenya and Ethiopia and avoid testing with the full support of federations and governments. Sure, some of these guys train in the US and elsewhere. Then they go home to fuel up. Like Mo getting away with murder because he could cry "racist" when his training with cheats is brought up, never mind his buddy on video buying EPO.
Hopefully Jakob can keep improving. He's at a disadvantage against talented runners who are allowed to cheat. Sure, he stands a chance in a kicker's race (as did Centro et al in the slow Rio 1500) but he's going to run into trouble in sub 3:30 and sub 13 races against guys doped to their eyeballs.
So very true!
Now That's Telling It Like It Is wrote:
Decent run by Jakob wrote:
Or ignore like all the SJW NPCs do.
The rampant doping by E. Africans combined with Political Correctness has ruined the sport. Hopefully it can be repaired.
It's worth noting that anyone who believes Tefera is a teenager is naive, has an agenda, or is a complete idiot. There are fast Ethiopian teens, but he isn't one of them. He's at least as old as Kejelcha - who's actually closer to 30 than 20. The age thing is a mess. Track and field needs to the MRI wrist test like soccer did when African cheating was ruining the sport in the junior divisions.
It must be great to be able to train in Kenya and Ethiopia and avoid testing with the full support of federations and governments. Sure, some of these guys train in the US and elsewhere. Then they go home to fuel up. Like Mo getting away with murder because he could cry "racist" when his training with cheats is brought up, never mind his buddy on video buying EPO.
Hopefully Jakob can keep improving. He's at a disadvantage against talented runners who are allowed to cheat. Sure, he stands a chance in a kicker's race (as did Centro et al in the slow Rio 1500) but he's going to run into trouble in sub 3:30 and sub 13 races against guys doped to their eyeballs.
So very true!
I'll ask my friend what he thinks, shall I?
Renato Canova wrote:
"I can put my hands on fire that Asbel Kiprop and Mary Keitany NEVER took anything illegal, so the "SUSPICIOUS DATA" really are a natural product of the combination of talent, training and altitude."
There we go, situation solved.
I bet the legendary coach wishes he could take that one back! Lol.
Good enough wrote:
There was all the talk about Ingebrigtsen failing to develop as a senior but is it safe to say now that it doesn't really matter?
There was a very good video uploaded yesterday from a running channel asking what Jakob's pbs will be at the end of his career. It even references LetsRun a few times, LOL. Contains a lot of interesting info on his training too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYbr8W2q12IThis particular thread was referenced -
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8958749Coevett wrote:
Good enough wrote:
There was all the talk about Ingebrigtsen failing to develop as a senior but is it safe to say now that it doesn't really matter?
There was a very good video uploaded yesterday from a running channel asking what Jakob's pbs will be at the end of his career. It even references LetsRun a few times, LOL. Contains a lot of interesting info on his training too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYbr8W2q12IThis particular thread was referenced -
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8958749
Hey...Subway has a nice post on page #1. ?
Coevett wrote:
said88 wrote:
Exactly what this mad-one always does when someone points on his lies: he just completely changes the subject. His answer has nothing to do with the accusations. Not even an attempt to explain why he lists his wrong "facts" (and maybe try to explain why he might think why those (obviously wrong) "facts" from his point of view are correct). For sure: this is impossible, but still...
Someone accused you to be a lier, what's the best response? For Coevett more lies. I have never ever defended Aouita from doping allegations. Never. Coevett is a pure liar and should long have been banned from this forum.
What are you talking about? Why are you so fixated on one relatively obscure Steve Ovett race from 1986? All I said was that it must have been an impressive performance from him in 86 to beat Abdi Bile over 1500m in a fast time like 3:33. I never claimed to have watched the race, I merely speculated that it sounded like a proper race in which Ovett likely pulled away from Bile. You appear to have very stark psychiatric problems if you think this casts a huge shadow over my integrity. You also appear to be a total slug if you think this is more important than such things as Aouita being linked to 'Doctor Syringe' or being chased out of Australia after pressurizing multiple athletes to take HGH.
I know Germany has a lot of hate speech laws. Are you sure doping aplogism is not on the list Said?
BTW, I don't believe you have that Ovett/Bile race on tape. If you do, and you're not a lier, upload it to YouTube.
I don't think this casts a huge shadow over your integrity. One more lie or not, your credibility is at zero. You have clearly stated that Ovett has won this race in a sprint finish (impliying that - for sure - he could have run much faster if he wished to). Total lie, the absolute opposite was true, a pure 100% time-trial from Ovett, in which he couldn't have run 1/100 of a second faster.
What a unbelievable stupid argument that something else is more important. Please, from now on just don't talk about something else than world peace.
I have this Koblenz meet from the TV-Channel (with a mark of the channel on it) which broadcasted it at the time and I'm not allowed to publish it. If you are interested in it contact me via my website.
Your constant defamation of myself is an unbelievable bad habit, Coevett. I have never defended some athlete from doping allegations on this board (apart from Dieter Baumann, where I'm almost sure the tooth-paste story is true). So stop it to continue that I have defended Aouita, I have not.
Just because you for yourself would do almost anything to "defend" your heros Coe, Cram and Ovett, the same must not true for other fans with different prefered runners (for sure Coe, Cram and Ovett are also within my personal top 10).
Because he correctly recognized "pure nonsense rubbish with not even pretend substance to back it"?
Subway Surfers wrote:
exrunner wrote:
All I read here is pure speculation and made up data. Absolute pure nonsense rubbish with not even pretend substance to back it. You’d be laughed out of court.
Farah posts his blood and urine tests all the time. I’ve seen dozens and dozens of similar posts in the last 12 months.
Testing is completely random. They don’t turn up one morning and say ‘cheers, see you next month’.
This looks a lot like a Rekrunner post. In Africa there is no such thing as random testing.
Just so we are all on the same page, the "incident" is that foreign reporters bought EPO. Not sure what the Ethiopian Federation is supposed to do about ARD/Guardian reporters.
Barrel of Laughs wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
(Seppelt tweets)
No say it ain't so. Nothing suspicious here.
Damage control 101: Downplay the incident. ?