And since you don't apply these requirements to Farah we know that you don't actually believe this but is just changing the goal posts after it's pointed out that you're lying about things that requires a 5 second look on Wikipedia to verify.
Why has Cheptegei with his blazing speed finished 8th at Rio, 9th at Eugene and didn't even bother to show up at Paris and Doha in the "slow, tactical races" that Jakob is unbeaten in?
Round and round your tedious mulberry bush you guy. Such irrelevant garbage. Not only is Cheptegei an Olympic champion he holds the world records over two championship distances, which Ingebrigtsen doesn't, and the Norwegian has shown he simply isn't in the same league as a distance runner. Timewise he is a full length of the straight slower over the 5k and considerably more than a lap behind in the 10000. He will never bridge that to match Cheptegei. That the Ugandan didn't race Ingebrigtsen in certain events doesn't change that.
As for Farah, he ran in a different era but his championship record is something Ingebrigtsen could only dream of and will never achieve in the championship distances of the 5k and 10k.
So whether the calculus is times or championship victories Ingebrigtsen is simply not in the same class as the best distance runners and never will be. They aren't his events.
It's not "irrelevant drivel", it's applying your own scrutiny to runners. You bring up the 10000 in a discussion about the 5000 because you know your argument is weak because you keep backtracking, you're saying Farah being slower than Jakob is irrelevant for his status as a 5000 great, yet Jakob has to match Cheptegeis times to be equal.
You're saying Jakob being the fastest in the 1500 is irrelevant because he's losing to Kerr but never once respond to the point that Cheptegei finish 8th at Rio and 9th at Eugene, a race that Jakob won in Eugene. You decry time trialists for not being able to show up and perform in championship races and call Jakob a time trialist in the 1500.
But Cheptegei who regularly drops out of championship races and has performed horribly in every single 5000 global championship but one apparently doesn't make Cheptegei a time trialist despite Jakobs championship record in the 1500 being better than Cheptegeis in the 5000.
You don't even know the basics about runners you're arguing about, like in the past when you kept claiming Farah has "never lost when it matters" despite him losing many, many times in both the World championships and Olympics.
Kerr was a 3:29 runner before the final this year in Paris, yet you still considered him a better 1500m runner than 3:26 man Jakob. What are your thoughts on that?
Jakob is not a 3:26 man, he has yet to match the wr. Kerr has beaten Ingebrigtsen in the last WC and Olympic final, as well as Prefontaine in a very respectable mile time. He now seems to have the measure of Ingebrigtsen when they race, as do more runners now with faster finishes than Ingebrigtsen. Ingebrigtsen still has the fastest time but if the two race the odds favour Kerr. In a paced time-trial Ingebrigtsen is ahead on times but he increasingly is being beaten in competitive races in his favoured event - and not just by Kerr. But that's an old thread.
If anybody is wondering how intellectually dishonest this man is then this sums it up perfectly, because the exact same thing applies to Jakob and Cheptegei in the 5000.
Mo Farah was 28 when he won his first global outdoor medals. He ended his career with 10 gold and two silver. Jakob at 24 has four gold and two silver already, including three 5000m golds. Four years before the age at which Mo Farah won his first medal, he's halfway to his lifetime total. Joshua Cheptegei has 5 global golds and two silvers, so at just 28 years old, the year Mo first won a medal, he's just past halfway to Mo and one medal past Jakob. By the end, Cheptegei might get close to Farah in medals on the track unless he goes to the roads soon, like he said he was doing in the post-Olympic interview, and he already has trounced him on times and wr's, but Jakob will get both of them on medals, times, DL wins, and world records, as he's just 24 now and his 7:17/7:54 indicate a big world record in the 5000m on the way, and no one's been close to him in 5000m championship races. No one can beat him in a 1500m that is paced by someone other than himself either, when he's in shape, which is almost all the time.
PR's:
Cheptegei: 3:37/7:33/12:35 WR/26:11 WR/59:21/2:08:59, two track wr's, one World xc gold and a bronze, one DL final win, and just five DL wins.
Mo: 3:28.8/7:30/12:53/26:46, with no outdoor world records, 21 DL wins, though most of them had the field cleared for him in the UK.
Jakob: 3:26.7/3:43.8/4:43 WR/7:17 WR/7:54 WR/12:48/27:30 road, with three outdoor world records/bests, four wins in DL Finals and 21 Diamond League wins.
Literally, 12 of Mo's 21 DL wins were in the UK, while another 5 were in Eugene, the Nike Capital. He really only ran DL races that were curated for him to win.
Hate to say it but it is not the Dunning-Kruger effect if the vast majority of people feel the same way.
You clearly haven't followed the American elections then. No better example. Dumbest on the planet. And so many of them. Group conformity can show the opposite of intelligence. As here.
Jakob: 3:26.7/3:43.8/4:43 WR/7:17 WR/7:54 WR/12:48/27:30 road, with three outdoor world records/bests, four wins in DL Finals and 21 Diamond League wins.
As for Farah, he ran in a different era but his championship record is something Ingebrigtsen could only dream of and will never achieve in the championship distances of the 5k and 10k.
How can you know that? Farah, with a PR of 12.53 achieved three 5000m wc golds and two 5000m olympic golds. That means that J.I needs to get one more WC gold and one more olympic gold. While it is not certain that J.I will ever win another 5000m medal, the fact that Farah got his first gold the year he was 28 years old means that J.I has a slight head start.
If J.I stops running at the same age as Farah was when he won his first 5000m gold, he will have one olympics and two world championships to try to bridge the gap. If he will have a career as long as Farah, he will have two olympics and four(?) world championships to do the same. Curious how you can be so certain that Ingebrigtsen will never achieve that?
Snell is the only runner other than Rudisha to defend his Olympic 800 title and the last to achieve the Olympic 800/1500 double. There was no WC in his era. Snell also held the records at championship distances (the mile was then the main race outside the Olympics). So nothing like him.
Ypu didn't get it - as always.
There wasn't anything to get. It was irrelevant. As alwaays.
Jakob is not a 3:26 man, he has yet to match the wr. Kerr has beaten Ingebrigtsen in the last WC and Olympic final, as well as Prefontaine in a very respectable mile time. He now seems to have the measure of Ingebrigtsen when they race, as do more runners now with faster finishes than Ingebrigtsen. Ingebrigtsen still has the fastest time but if the two race the odds favour Kerr. In a paced time-trial Ingebrigtsen is ahead on times but he increasingly is being beaten in competitive races in his favoured event - and not just by Kerr. But that's an old thread.
What makes someone a 3:26 man? For sure not running 3:26 but setting the WR.
Round and round your tedious mulberry bush you guy. Such irrelevant garbage. Not only is Cheptegei an Olympic champion he holds the world records over two championship distances, which Ingebrigtsen doesn't, and the Norwegian has shown he simply isn't in the same league as a distance runner. Timewise he is a full length of the straight slower over the 5k and considerably more than a lap behind in the 10000. He will never bridge that to match Cheptegei. That the Ugandan didn't race Ingebrigtsen in certain events doesn't change that.
As for Farah, he ran in a different era but his championship record is something Ingebrigtsen could only dream of and will never achieve in the championship distances of the 5k and 10k.
So whether the calculus is times or championship victories Ingebrigtsen is simply not in the same class as the best distance runners and never will be. They aren't his events.
It's not "irrelevant drivel", it's applying your own scrutiny to runners. You bring up the 10000 in a discussion about the 5000 because you know your argument is weak because you keep backtracking, you're saying Farah being slower than Jakob is irrelevant for his status as a 5000 great, yet Jakob has to match Cheptegeis times to be equal.
You're saying Jakob being the fastest in the 1500 is irrelevant because he's losing to Kerr but never once respond to the point that Cheptegei finish 8th at Rio and 9th at Eugene, a race that Jakob won in Eugene. You decry time trialists for not being able to show up and perform in championship races and call Jakob a time trialist in the 1500.
But Cheptegei who regularly drops out of championship races and has performed horribly in every single 5000 global championship but one apparently doesn't make Cheptegei a time trialist despite Jakobs championship record in the 1500 being better than Cheptegeis in the 5000.
You don't even know the basics about runners you're arguing about, like in the past when you kept claiming Farah has "never lost when it matters" despite him losing many, many times in both the World championships and Olympics.
As I said, round and round your mulberry bush. None of it makes Jakob a distance runner or as fast as Cheptegei or as good as Farah.
Jakob is not a 3:26 man, he has yet to match the wr. Kerr has beaten Ingebrigtsen in the last WC and Olympic final, as well as Prefontaine in a very respectable mile time. He now seems to have the measure of Ingebrigtsen when they race, as do more runners now with faster finishes than Ingebrigtsen. Ingebrigtsen still has the fastest time but if the two race the odds favour Kerr. In a paced time-trial Ingebrigtsen is ahead on times but he increasingly is being beaten in competitive races in his favoured event - and not just by Kerr. But that's an old thread.
If anybody is wondering how intellectually dishonest this man is then this sums it up perfectly, because the exact same thing applies to Jakob and Cheptegei in the 5000.
No it doesn't. It's just the way you shuffle the cards to try to say Jakob is as good as better distance runners. He isn't.
Mo Farah was 28 when he won his first global outdoor medals. He ended his career with 10 gold and two silver. Jakob at 24 has four gold and two silver already, including three 5000m golds. Four years before the age at which Mo Farah won his first medal, he's halfway to his lifetime total. Joshua Cheptegei has 5 global golds and two silvers, so at just 28 years old, the year Mo first won a medal, he's just past halfway to Mo and one medal past Jakob. By the end, Cheptegei might get close to Farah in medals on the track unless he goes to the roads soon, like he said he was doing in the post-Olympic interview, and he already has trounced him on times and wr's, but Jakob will get both of them on medals, times, DL wins, and world records, as he's just 24 now and his 7:17/7:54 indicate a big world record in the 5000m on the way, and no one's been close to him in 5000m championship races. No one can beat him in a 1500m that is paced by someone other than himself either, when he's in shape, which is almost all the time.
PR's:
Cheptegei: 3:37/7:33/12:35 WR/26:11 WR/59:21/2:08:59, two track wr's, one World xc gold and a bronze, one DL final win, and just five DL wins.
Mo: 3:28.8/7:30/12:53/26:46, with no outdoor world records, 21 DL wins, though most of them had the field cleared for him in the UK.
Jakob: 3:26.7/3:43.8/4:43 WR/7:17 WR/7:54 WR/12:48/27:30 road, with three outdoor world records/bests, four wins in DL Finals and 21 Diamond League wins.
Nothing - absolutely nothing - says the career of one runner will match that of another. Age is irrelevant here, as are all the other comparisons except for what they actually achieved, and not what Ingebrigtsen might do.
Literally, 12 of Mo's 21 DL wins were in the UK, while another 5 were in Eugene, the Nike Capital. He really only ran DL races that were curated for him to win.
His global titles far outstrip Ingebrigtsen. He was also a top distance runner. Ingebrigtsen isn't. He's md.
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