The information you are saying about Herriman is not accurate. The Tang brothers live in the Herriman boundaries and have gone to school all 4 years at Herriman. The only Varsity transfers are Jackson Spencer (whose boundary school does not offer much opportunity), and Noah Manwaring, and Noah is at Herriman because his family moved back to Utah from New Jersey.
Although Southlake Carroll girls got last at NXN, the fact that they got there by 1 point, that they get there almost every year, and that the boys team qualified 13 times in a row, shows that the program performs very well when it matters and it upholds the legacy very well
- Lone Peak - 100% within their school's boundaries.
So what advantage did open enrollment give American Fork or Lone Peak?"
So you have open enrollment in Utah, the schools are close together and no one uses it?
I'm seriously just trying to understand.
If there was open enrollment in NJ, NY or IL, about 30% if not more would move around for both academics and athletics.
Well that would not affect CBA. NY just does not have the spark it did so not much difference there. Open enrollment only affected Herriman getting Spencer.
Well that would not affect CBA. NY just does not have the spark it did so not much difference there. Open enrollment only affected Herriman getting Spencer.
You're kidding, right?
Even in a historical down year for NY, nobody wants to race against a Suburban Council all-star team. Boys or girls.
Well that would not affect CBA. NY just does not have the spark it did so not much difference there. Open enrollment only affected Herriman getting Spencer.
You're kidding, right?
Even in a historical down year for NY, nobody wants to race against a Suburban Council all-star team. Boys or girls.
Fair enough but the open enrollment has not benefited them as much as you said.
I think one of the reasons the SW gets overlooked in individual rankings is because there's such a depth of fast runners, that there's not typically one who appears to dominate the competition. Also, due to altitude, no indoor season, and a short track season that can typically have snow, etc, their track times may not be as good of an indicator of fitness.
Maybe this shows how weak the South region is. Of Course the Carroll boys are great, but if they are making it every year there must not be much competition
Maybe this shows how weak the South region is. Of Course the Carroll boys are great, but if they are making it every year there must not be much competition
Carroll is what you get when you have every box checked.
There aren't many schools like it in Texas. The Woodlands and Flower Mound are the closest thing. Maybe Prosper or Keller area, too.
Also, there may just be philosophical differences in what each region thinks is reasonable to do for a HS kid. How many boys teams at NXN run 70mpw? 80? How many girls teams reach 60mpw?
I think one of the reasons the SW gets overlooked in individual rankings is because there's such a depth of fast runners, that there's not typically one who appears to dominate the competition. Also, due to altitude, no indoor season, and a short track season that can typically have snow, etc, their track times may not be as good of an indicator of fitness.
Speed ratings should not be taken as science. Boys are also tough to gauge because they develop later. Most Colorado and Utah teams only dip down to low altitude 1 or 2 times per season (if they are lucky, many never do) so most are unaware of good athletes from high altitude. It’s fine. Let the other regions under estimate the SW to their detriment.
Three SW teams scored lower at NXN than at NXR SW (Lone Peak girls, Niwot boys and American Fork Boys). Overall, the girls team scored on average 10.25 points higher at NXN than NXR and the boys teams scored 10.5 points higher. California girls and boys were next closest at 74.33 and 99.67 points higher, respectively. South girls and New York boys had the highest point difference at 351 and 408.5 points higher, respectively. Realistically, there are likely seven SW teams on the girls' side that are among the top 20 in the nation and probably eight on the boys' side.
Fun facts.
Two SW boys from the same team (Cheyenne Mountain CO) finished in the top 20. Had their 3-5 been dead last at NXN (they did have a bunch of other guys with SBs in the 15:30-16:00 range) they still would have beaten both NY teams and a HL team.
And that team was 12th at SW.
Castle View CO just won RunningLane.
They were 14th at SW.
The signs were there all along that the Southwest was OP. Woodbridge made it clear.
I think where everyone started to get it wrong was after Clovis. Tully was extremely generous with the speed ratings and everyone said, "Oh wow - CA is Back!" despite the fact that it was really just a bunch of Cali schools (and Crater) beating up on each other. The next set of National rankings put like a half dozen CA schools in and bumped out a handful of SW schools...because how could they possibly be that good?
Equating NXR SW to NXN is not as crazy as it first sounds.
You don't have to run the "last place" scenario with Cheyenne Mountain. Their 3-4-5 ran at Runninglane. If you plug their speed ratings into NXN they score 260 points to place 9th, just in front of CDA.
If you don't buy the speed ratings or think they would have run poorly in the NXN slop you can add 20 places for each kid. They're still around 13th. Hard to see them doing much worse than that. Again, this is the team that placed 12th at NXRSW.
Niwot and American Fork both scored fewer points at NXN than NXRSW. Herriman was close. It's not hyperbolic to say NXN was only slightly more competitive than NXRSW from a team perspective.
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