If these athletes were in scholarship, they will keep it. They just won’t be in the team. Their scholarship commitment is not tied to their roster spot.
I'm aware of how it works as I've outlined in previous comments, but I'm arguing that coaches shouldn't be allowed to operate in this way. Yes athletes can technically keep their scholarships, but there are a lot of non-scholarship benifits tied into being an athlete that they will lose such as their meal plan, access to counseling services, any NIL stipend, ect.
It's not just a roster spot and coaches know this. There are some lower income athletes who would not be able to afford food without these benifits and I rightfully called Carlson and those like him scumbags because they are well aware of this fact and take full advantage of it. The purpose of cutting them is to pressure them into the transfer portal (which I have already explained is not as simple as the braintrust here likes make it seem) and free up money. Is this technically within the purview of the NCAA rules? Yes, but again so was banning athletes from operating YouTube channels just 4 years ago.
Just like those policies, this behavior is immoral and violates the spirit of the new 4 year scholarship rules the power 4 has implemented. Laugh all you want but it would certainly not be the most unreasonable grounds for a lawsuit against the NCAA.
You must not be a coach. They don’t have to enter the portal for their scholarship to be freed up - they can keep their money, remain at Colorado, receive all the same benefits, and just not be on the team OR be a counter towards colorados scholarship limits. There is a one time head coach change rule where they can remove people from the roster , get their scholarship equivalency back and the athlete can keep their money. They also retain access to academic and medical services. No school in their right mind would take away mental health support in this day and age.
The big thing is the land, I believe the state still owns/could revoke the land if they feel the university has violated the charter granting the land.
CU wouldn't be able to find enough space in a desirable location if their current campus got revoked.
Yeah, the legislature and electorate will rise up and smite CU for arrogantly not keeping some local slugs on the pencil neck cross country team.
It's not just XC, it's clearly also been football. Give prime 2 years. If he is winning 4 games a year and never allowing in state players to play, he won't have a job, and if he does people will be mad. Also keep in mind that alot of Republicans just need an excuse to lash at CU Boulder for its liberal BS. If someone has a whole story about how the AD is screwing over athletes from Colorado, people will be angry.
All those talking of suing the coach & school - you know this is how we got here right? As soon as the courts stepped in & allowed greater professionalism of NCAA athletes, the more money became at stake, the more conference jumping, the more the rules broke down, the more the basic guardrails that kept these kinds of cutthroat business dealings were dealt away with…now the sport of men’s track and field/XC is dissolving in front of us over the next 2-5 years - whenever the final P2 linch pin gives. Yes, if you’re a male track/XC high school athlete reading this, your sport will not exist at the NCAA DI level before you’re done with your eligibility. Now that every football school will be forced to offer 20 more football scholarships, all that back pay and lord knows what else, they’re not taking that out of the football budget. They’re taking it away from non-revenue sports they don’t care about. Y’all realize how much Colorado is cutting its XC/track budget this year right? Paying these coaches dramatically less than many of their peers - well below the maximum number of coaches allowable on staff. Look for many storied track programs following Colorados lead soon enough.
The athletes voted to make NCAA sports into professional leagues. Looks like they got what they asked for.
It is truly sad that they will go fully foreign if this proposed legislation officially goes through.. he is there within 4 years, I would be willing to bet that all top 7 will be foreign. One reason he allegedly left Notre Dame is to easily recruit foreigners.
The academic standard was too tough at ND for most foreign athletes to get in to.
American kids be warned. If you aren’t producing within the first year, you will be on the chopping block. Please look at the caliber of people when looking at your coaches, if the coach cuts athletes like this, you will be no different to them.
It is truly sad that they will go fully foreign if this proposed legislation officially goes through.. he is there within 4 years, I would be willing to bet that all top 7 will be foreign. One reason he allegedly left Notre Dame is to easily recruit foreigners.
The academic standard was too tough at ND for most foreign athletes to get in to.
American kids be warned. If you aren’t producing within the first year, you will be on the chopping block. Please look at the caliber of people when looking at your coaches, if the coach cuts athletes like this, you will be no different to them.
Looking at other schools, doesn’t Stanford always have a few Australians? And doesn’t Duke have some internationals as well? If they can get them in…
From the self proclaimed and famous interview “I recruit and develop Americans.” Sean Carlson has cut 9 American men from the Colorado roster, without an attempt to develop the athletes at all. Colorado is known for having their American runners being built and trained to be tough as nails.
Charlie Welch Alex Baca Benjamin Greene Nolan Hoffman Evan Charkut Stefan Haug Jack Nauman Jacob Culig Jake Derouin
Another power hungry coach that doesn’t care about his image of being a good coach vs buying a roster. I guess Carlson has decided to follow the wave of the foreign train. Unfortunately it seems the glory days of Covid are in the past.
What do my fellow Buff Alum think about this mass exodus of athletes from Colorado?
As of right now, 5 of the 2024 Tenn recruits that signed are in the portal. I bet they go to Colorado. Just a speculation
All those talking of suing the coach & school - you know this is how we got here right? As soon as the courts stepped in & allowed greater professionalism of NCAA athletes, the more money became at stake, the more conference jumping, the more the rules broke down, the more the basic guardrails that kept these kinds of cutthroat business dealings were dealt away with…now the sport of men’s track and field/XC is dissolving in front of us over the next 2-5 years - whenever the final P2 linch pin gives. Yes, if you’re a male track/XC high school athlete reading this, your sport will not exist at the NCAA DI level before you’re done with your eligibility. Now that every football school will be forced to offer 20 more football scholarships, all that back pay and lord knows what else, they’re not taking that out of the football budget. They’re taking it away from non-revenue sports they don’t care about. Y’all realize how much Colorado is cutting its XC/track budget this year right? Paying these coaches dramatically less than many of their peers - well below the maximum number of coaches allowable on staff. Look for many storied track programs following Colorados lead soon enough.
The athletes voted to make NCAA sports into professional leagues. Looks like they got what they asked for.
I little pessimistic but ultimately I think you are mostly right.
Some or most of the SEC schools will support XC and T&F.. and probably a lot of the B1G. The rest of us will eventually go to the d3 or club model and be farm clubs for the P2. Many coaches will leave the profession. Oh, well!
It is truly sad that they will go fully foreign if this proposed legislation officially goes through.. he is there within 4 years, I would be willing to bet that all top 7 will be foreign. One reason he allegedly left Notre Dame is to easily recruit foreigners.
The academic standard was too tough at ND for most foreign athletes to get in to.
American kids be warned. If you aren’t producing within the first year, you will be on the chopping block. Please look at the caliber of people when looking at your coaches, if the coach cuts athletes like this, you will be no different to them.
Looking at other schools, doesn’t Stanford always have a few Australians? And doesn’t Duke have some internationals as well? If they can get them in…
Notre Dame doesn't offer any admission slots (aka passes) for Track or XC. Either you make the academic standards or you don't. Stanford and Duke has had admission slots/passes in the past.
Maybe a dumb question...it's August. How do students just all of sudden leave one school for another? Isn't there admissions, housing, financial aid processes, etc. especially a graduate transfer?
So all of sudden a half dozen people who haven't even been to the campus all of sudden commit to attend there and that's that? Do they even care about academics, majors, etc.?