The title of this thread is disingenuous - "explain white privilege" - as though it is some academic or even fictional concept outside the experience of most people. White privilege is the experience of most people in the US - whether they are white or black, because "white privilege" cuts both ways and has been part of American culture since the nation's founding.
It is heard most often and conspicuously today in the call to "make America great again", which is a dog whistle to make America white again (and male - but that goes without saying). An entire political party is given over to it. The country is heading back to 1859.
If the people who push this stuff didn't just call you a racist bigoted istophobe, or insist it isn't their job to educate you, they'd copy-paste this explanation: "we're not saying your life hasn't been hard, we're just saying that your race hasn't made it worse."
And then they'll go back to acting, in practice, as if every black person has it harder than every white person, and arguing for policies and practices that assume that is true.
Your post is 100% true. There is a vocal contingent in my party that this fits exactly.
Unfortunately this has hurt the Democrat party and sent some support to the Republican party. Sadly the Republican party has lost all sense of honesty and integrity. It has become a value less mass of confusion.
The point crasrenbon is making, that many of my more leftist progressives friends don't get, you can't assume blacks need more help than whites. Many whites actually need more help than many blacks. If laws or practices don't acknowledge this they are wrong.
This is not to say the average black doesn't have it harder but don't overgeneralize that all blacks have it harder due to prejudice. Don't set up practices with this faulty assumption that give advantages strictly based on race
Your post is 100% true. There is a vocal contingent in my party that this fits exactly.
Unfortunately this has hurt the Democrat party and sent some support to the Republican party. Sadly the Republican party has lost all sense of honesty and integrity. It has become a value less mass of confusion.
The point crasrenbon is making, that many of my more leftist progressives friends don't get, you can't assume blacks need more help than whites. Many whites actually need more help than many blacks. If laws or practices don't acknowledge this they are wrong.
This is not to say the average black doesn't have it harder but don't overgeneralize that all blacks have it harder due to prejudice. Don't set up practices with this faulty assumption that give advantages strictly based on race
The issue of white privilege isn't about whether some blacks are well off and some whites aren't; it is the presence of pervasive norms in every walk of life that favour one race over others. It has nothing to do with the fact that there will be individual exceptions. They are only exceptions to that set of norms.
The title of this thread is disingenuous - "explain white privilege" - as though it is some academic or even fictional concept outside the experience of most people. White privilege is the experience of most people in the US - whether they are white or black, because "white privilege" cuts both ways and has been part of American culture since the nation's founding.
It is heard most often and conspicuously today in the call to "make America great again", which is a dog whistle to make America white again (and male - but that goes without saying). An entire political party is given over to it. The country is heading back to 1859.
You're on the website every day, posting uninformed commentary about a country and society that you've never even been to, and know nothing about.
Try talking about stuff you have experienced first hand. Here, educate us on this. Most Americans are mystified about how such deep, overt and endless racism could exist in a tiny, superfluous country like New Zealand. Why do you guys hate minorities so much? That's what we need to understand.
New research released today shows that 93 percent of Māori in Aotearoa experience racism every day, and even more - 96 percent - say racism is a problem for their whānau.
Your post is 100% true. There is a vocal contingent in my party that this fits exactly.
Unfortunately this has hurt the Democrat party and sent some support to the Republican party. Sadly the Republican party has lost all sense of honesty and integrity. It has become a value less mass of confusion.
The point crasrenbon is making, that many of my more leftist progressives friends don't get, you can't assume blacks need more help than whites. Many whites actually need more help than many blacks. If laws or practices don't acknowledge this they are wrong.
This is not to say the average black doesn't have it harder but don't overgeneralize that all blacks have it harder due to prejudice. Don't set up practices with this faulty assumption that give advantages strictly based on race
Of course blacks have it harder in America and of course it is due to racism.
Does not make the average white privileged by any means. Just less oppressed
When a thread gets 17 pages long in two days, it should not be deleted. Perhaps it needs to be moderated very tightly if it's a controversial topic like this but we believe in free expression - and that most importantly applies to controversial topics as it's easy to say you are for free speech until it's speech you don't agree with.
The title of this thread is disingenuous - "explain white privilege" - as though it is some academic or even fictional concept outside the experience of most people. White privilege is the experience of most people in the US - whether they are white or black, because "white privilege" cuts both ways and has been part of American culture since the nation's founding.
It is heard most often and conspicuously today in the call to "make America great again", which is a dog whistle to make America white again (and male - but that goes without saying). An entire political party is given over to it. The country is heading back to 1859.
If white privilege is such a part of everyday experience and has scientific basis, how come no one outside academic circles heard of until roughly the last decade?
The title of this thread is disingenuous - "explain white privilege" - as though it is some academic or even fictional concept outside the experience of most people. White privilege is the experience of most people in the US - whether they are white or black, because "white privilege" cuts both ways and has been part of American culture since the nation's founding.
It is heard most often and conspicuously today in the call to "make America great again", which is a dog whistle to make America white again (and male - but that goes without saying). An entire political party is given over to it. The country is heading back to 1859.
You're on the website every day, posting uninformed commentary about a country and society that you've never even been to, and know nothing about.
Try talking about stuff you have experienced first hand. Here, educate us on this. Most Americans are mystified about how such deep, overt and endless racism could exist in a tiny, superfluous country like New Zealand. Why do you guys hate minorities so much? That's what we need to understand.
While lynching does not have to be hanging there are some key components that add case does not fit. The most important being that the perpetrators are not only found innocent but are actively protected by law enforcement. The other key components is that there is no outrage and it is a community event not done by a small set of individuals.
Those guilty of killing that thief are in prison where they belong so it cannot possibly be considered a lynching.
The response and aftermath to the killing isn't what makes it a lynching. A lynching is a collective action by white Americans to kill a black person extra-judicially. The Arbery murder fits the description.
No. The race of the lynchers and one being lynched as nothing to do with the definition of lynching.
In the heyday of lynching, whites were lynched by white mobs.
What makes a lynching is mass community involvement and support.
The response and aftermath to the killing isn't what makes it a lynching. A lynching is a collective action by white Americans to kill a black person extra-judicially. The Arbery murder fits the description.
No. The race of the lynchers and one being lynched as nothing to do with the definition of lynching.
In the heyday of lynching, whites were lynched by white mobs.
What makes a lynching is mass community involvement and support.
Lynching was characteristically whites executing blacks by public hanging in the era of Jim Crow.
The title of this thread is disingenuous - "explain white privilege" - as though it is some academic or even fictional concept outside the experience of most people. White privilege is the experience of most people in the US - whether they are white or black, because "white privilege" cuts both ways and has been part of American culture since the nation's founding.
It is heard most often and conspicuously today in the call to "make America great again", which is a dog whistle to make America white again (and male - but that goes without saying). An entire political party is given over to it. The country is heading back to 1859.
If white privilege is such a part of everyday experience and has scientific basis, how come no one outside academic circles heard of until roughly the last decade?
Your own insularity is your own problem. White privilege has existed since the first slaves were brought to the colony.
My dad’s white American ancestry goes back 300 years. He graduated from a public school. Then volunteered to join the military and served seven years. He left the military and worked a crappy factory job that started at 10 dollars an hour until retirement. There was always food on the table and he was always a loving father.
I went to public school and then to college. I received not a single cent from my parents towards college. It took 15 years but I payed off my college loans by myself.
I’m as white as they come. What white privilege do I have?
Simply put, as a white person white privilege means you get the benefit of the doubt or a warning in a traffic stop or if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time. If you're a person of color, you are assumed guilty and treated accordingly.
No. The race of the lynchers and one being lynched as nothing to do with the definition of lynching.
In the heyday of lynching, whites were lynched by white mobs.
What makes a lynching is mass community involvement and support.
Lynching was characteristically whites executing blacks by public hanging in the era of Jim Crow.
You are wrong about it being limited to white vs black, but it is encouraging that you mention the era of Jim Crow.
Lynchings don't happen anymore, because they were a product of an historical period defined by particular circumstances.
Those circumstances no longer exist, but it is politically expedient for those of your dishonest ilk to redefine lynching so as to cast it as a current phenomenon.
The better term would have been "black disadvantage" because no one doubts that blacks were horribly disadvantaged (to say the least) in the past. Flipping that around as "white privilege" changes the meaning and comes off insulting or deprecating to many white people who have enjoyed no such "privilege." The terms are not two sides of the same coin.
And today, neither term has much, if any, applicability. The "black disadvantages" of decades ago have disappeared, and being black is arguably an advantage now with respect to, e.g., employment, school admission, and assessment of culpability in many situations. If we were to look for racial disadvantage today (and for the last 30 years), it would be "Asian disadvantage" if anything.
It hasn't occurred to you what has driven "black disadvantage".
It's culture. To use just one group as an example, Nigerians are also black yet they outperform the US national average
The title of this thread is disingenuous - "explain white privilege" - as though it is some academic or even fictional concept outside the experience of most people. White privilege is the experience of most people in the US - whether they are white or black, because "white privilege" cuts both ways and has been part of American culture since the nation's founding.
It is heard most often and conspicuously today in the call to "make America great again", which is a dog whistle to make America white again (and male - but that goes without saying). An entire political party is given over to it. The country is heading back to 1859.
If white privilege is such a part of everyday experience and has scientific basis, how come no one outside academic circles heard of until roughly the last decade?
So, you're wondering why this "white privilege" thing seems to have just popped up out of nowhere? It's a fair question, but it's a bit like asking why no one outside of medical circles talked about viruses before the microscope was invented. The concept might be new to the mainstream, but the reality of it has been around for a while. Think of it like this: White privilege isn't something you necessarily see happening, but it's there, woven into the fabric of our society. It's like the air we breathe - you don't notice it until someone points out that it's polluted. Scholars and activists have been talking about this stuff for decades, even centuries. Think about W.E.B. Du Bois and his work on the "psychological wage" of whiteness, or Peggy McIntosh's famous essay about the "invisible knapsack" of white privilege. These ideas weren't exactly dinner table conversation, but they were definitely circulating in academic circles.
So, what changed? Well, a few things. Social media: This has given marginalized communities a platform to share their experiences and make their voices heard. Shifting demographics: Our society is becoming more diverse, and younger generations are more attuned to issues of social justice. Black Lives Matter: This has brought conversations about race and inequality to the forefront.
As for the "scientific basis," it's not always about hard numbers. Sometimes, the most powerful evidence comes from lived experiences and personal stories. But there's also plenty of research that backs up the idea of white privilege. Studies have shown that white people are more likely to get hired for jobs, get better deals on loans, and even receive lighter sentences for the same crimes. It's not always obvious, but it's there.
So, to answer your question, the concept of white privilege might be new to some, but the reality of it has been around for a long time. It's just taken a while for the rest of us to catch up.
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