What a ridiculous comment. She was 15 years old, was dealing with the pressure of sudden and significant fame and expectations, especially for a high school kid, and was running a couple of weeks after breaking the 5000m high school record. Those type of expectations are not easy on anyone.
Going back to my original post that Katelyn has been near constantly targeted on the boards and by track and field fans going back to middle school, she is not an athlete who was allowed to grow and mature the way most athletes are.
Learning about sportsmanship, about how to be a gracious loser is a big part of character. Katelyn has character, but when you are a kid, who since age 13 has experienced an oversized amount of pressure, it's hard to zero in on stuff like sportsmanship, when you now have to worry about the whole country calling you a burnout. Imagine your worst race in high school. Picture the disappointment, the heartbreak, the lost sleep. Now imagine that everyone who runs cross-country/track in the entire country knew about this race and are talking about it online, at meets, everywhere. That's what it was like for her.
At 21, Katelyn DOES need to learn to do better in this department. She has shown tremendous character and humility after wins. I really admire her for that. She is always crediting her teammates, always making it about them and not her. But stalking off the track after a loss is not a good look. She is not entitled to a win. She is a competitor win or lose.
What a ridiculous comment. She was 15 years old, was dealing with the pressure of sudden and significant fame and expectations, especially for a high school kid, and was running a couple of weeks after breaking the 5000m high school record. Those type of expectations are not easy on anyone.
That’s the point Astro! You can’t even follow simple logic. she is now 21 and still has not matured at all when losing. She has major character issues. It does not take maturity to be a gracious winner, that is just false humility! How you Handle defeat shoes who you really are.
Like I said, she possibly never learned the lesson of being a gracious loser, because she had to deal with too many added pressures. It wasn't just about the bad race for her. It was the bad race compounded with the overwhelming pressure of everyone talking about it. Dealing with both those things--I can see why she was in tears. I can see why she didn't want to talk to anyone, and it's not fair to expect the same level of sportsmanship from her, when you know she's dealing with so much more.
Almost as petty as accusing Valby of doping for weeks on end!
Not to be petty, but A wasn't "accusing" Valby of doping.
A doesn't post accusations. A posts facts.
The French pilosopher Rene Descartes famously said, "I think, therefore I am."
In many of his posts, A says, "I think it, therefore it is true."
And, because are no shades of gray, no uncertainties, no "pretty sures" or "that's what I thinks" in A's posts, A's posts are all black and white.
After reading A's posts in this thread, I have to wonder whether there are any mirrors in A's house. What else could explain A's complete lack of self-awareness.
we might need to start a dialogue on Henes this season. She’s a great coach but like NAU, there was not a strong NC state presence for distance this year. They did have 3 runners in the 10k but besides that, Tyynismma was the only person on the team to have a solid outdoor season the whole way through and she came in January. So her base was built up through Alabama. Sam Bush and Sydney Seymour, both all americans last year got hurt and missed ACC’s and regionals. Tuohy obviously hasn’t been herself since the 15:03 and probably before then. Chmiel should be the 2nd best distance runner in the NCAA rn. Blue chip high school recruit who was overshadowed by a national record holder and 2x NXN champ in her own state, dropped in both the 5 and 10k at nationals, not even close to the win. Everyone else kinda performed as expected but im just wondering how Henes does the outdoor season. She gets them right for XC but track is totally different. Does she coach any pros? I know her most recent NC state greats, her daughter Elly and Hannah Steelman both moved to Flagstaff and Mike Smith coaches them. It’s just weird because they did well in Eugene last year as a team so what changed?
There may be a reason Starliper threw subtle shots at her in her CU transfer post
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She is a great runner but she has zero chance to make the worlds team at 5000m. 5th or 6th at best. It has been a long season for her. The NCAA 3 season system is a long season. I would rather see her shut her season down now, come back win a 2nd NCAA cross title in the fall then go pro in December or January and build for USAs in 2024 to try to make the Olympic team
She is a great runner but she has zero chance to make the worlds team at 5000m. 5th or 6th at best. It has been a long season for her. The NCAA 3 season system is a long season. I would rather see her shut her season down now, come back win a 2nd NCAA cross title in the fall then go pro in December or January and build for USAs in 2024 to try to make the Olympic team
It's hard to say if she should still run USAs at this point, but whether or not she goes pro I think she definitely should redshirt/skip indoors next year if she wants any shot at the Olympic team. Run NCAA XC, hopefully win again, and then get back to building a base for the summer. Would be great if she ran USATF XC in late January to break things up.
Just because Astro has made some contentious points in the past does not mean the reasoning behind the points in this thread are invalid. The first half of this 17 page thread all that's being said is if Tuohy ran the 5000m fresh, she would've won because a 15:30 and 70" close is well within her wheelhouse. If you think this is unreasonable, then you cannot in good faith say you watch NCAA running. And this line of thinking happens all the time in all sports, so don't act like it is unique to Astro. Just because you hate the guy doesn't mean he can't make good points. Otherwise you let your bias show through and it defeats any argument you try tot make back.