Rigged for Hillary wrote:
You are clueless. Adults, the majority of them are drug smugglers and human traffickers, are using kids as probes to test our border security and laws. 10,000 of those kids are now safely in HHS shelters. Democrats however want them reunited with the cartels and the coyotes.
You cannot possibly be that stupid. There is no way that someone who has the intellectual capacity required to be able to type could possibly believe something so idiotic.
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Rigged for Hillary wrote:
The left's favorite pollster is Gallup. A record high Americans are "satisfied with the way things are going" according to a new Gallup poll.
Trump's approval rating at its highest level yet, and the left is panicking. Even the liberal HuffPo acknowledges this to their horror. Boom!
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trumps-approval-rating-climbs-to-personal-best-tying-his-first-week-in-office_us_5b2819f1e4b0f0b9e9a3e920
note these numbers are post the NK summit - which boosted them
but pre the child separation stories, which should hurt him.
PIO! wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
You are clueless. Adults, the majority of them are drug smugglers and human traffickers, are using kids as probes to test our border security and laws. 10,000 of those kids are now safely in HHS shelters. Democrats however want them reunited with the cartels and the coyotes.
You cannot possibly be that stupid. There is no way that someone who has the intellectual capacity required to be able to type could possibly believe something so idiotic.
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He claims he is "Latino" (a lie). If he is then then his claim means he is most likely a drug smuggler or human trafficker.
Democrat controlled media are really throwing a hissy fit this week about the nonexistent border crisis.
Nothing better than watching hillary lovers continue to have meltdowns!!!!!!
Trollminator wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
We're in the position of strength here. Our economy is booming, theirs isn't. Their stock market took a huge hit last night. Ours is down this week too, but it's still very strong, well above 24,000. China has more to lose and Trump is taking full advantage.
You know nothing about the Chinese economy if you think it's not doing well. Their GDP levels dwarf ours and their stock market is stable. Ours is down this year and saw a 400 point drop today, that's no small potatoes. You keep seeing this a zero sum game where in order for one to benefit the other has to lose. The global economy doesn't work this way, the global GDP pie has been increasing as global trade increases and all have benefited.
You are a simpleton moran to try to compare the Chinese economy to ours. In an all out trade war, we lose more. China has adopted the most advantageous capitalist framework and they are in a long term growth trend. They can not only withstand a bigger blow but can bounce back much faster. They have a single party system that holds vast powers over their economy. They can deal with a lot more economic pain than our decentralized debt-laden system can withstand. In terms of which has more to lose, we lose... but Trump is the mastermind economist, keep deferring to his greatness.
Wrong again, Marine. We have a gigantic trade deficit with China. USA is the de facto winner here since there's only room to take back lost ground. If you take this to the max, who has more products coming in to put tariffs on? CHINA.
The US exports $169.8B to China and imports $478.8B. We're currently putting tariffs on $50B and Trump has added $200B more. What does China do if we tariff over $169.8B? They're screwed big time. They don't import enough to have retaliatory tariffs.
Don't worry I'm sure we'll be told China is going to "dump treasuries." To who? The Fed? Good luck with that fantasy.
Trump wins, America wins again!
right mid wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
That "failure" to reform legal paths to immigration stalled in.... Congress. So, not Obama's failure, per se. That won't stop the Right for blaming Obama.
Many on the left don't like to think Obama operated center-Right, but he definitely did. His immigration policies are an example of that.
Center right? My gosh, you're insane.
No, you are not well informed and live in your US-centric bubble. Comparing to most European nations, what we can liberal and progressive is actually more like in the middle at best. Our right today, in terms of value system is best compared to the Saudi monarchy - just a tad bit out there.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
On a more important note, Trump is playing China perfectly. We're in the position of strength here. Our economy is booming, theirs isn't. Their stock market took a huge hit last night. Ours is down this week too, but it's still very strong, well above 24,000. China has more to lose and Trump is taking full advantage.
Never forget this, libs:
The Flagpolian Flop is coming
Mueller never
Clownpole forever
Yes, our economy is booming, so why mess with it?
The Dow was over 26,000 in January then dropped and hasn't recovered. So easy with the stock market enthusiasm.
Have to say that a big part of our economic boom is helped by cheap goods from China.
If you want to make phones and clothes over here it's going to cost consumers more.
It would lead to more jobs but who are going to fill those roles since we are now at full employment and you don't want immigrants?
Tariffs are taxes. Trump is raising taxes. This gets passed to consumers. It takes form our paychecks.
China is not afraid to oppress its own people for economic gain of the state.
The US cannot do that.
I am truly concerned about what Trump is doing to the world economy and what the impacts will be.
agip wrote:
Spankists, you elected a family of grifters to run the country. The sooner you admit that, the better. They are going to steal, and their hangers on will steal. They will all break multiple laws and they will be caught.
If NYS found so much absurdly stupid crime in the Trump Foundation, just imagine how much crime Mueller finds in the big leagues - all the tax fraud and bank fraud in the multi-million dollar real estate world.
I mean come on - Spanks and all the trumps are going to be in big criminal trouble. We're just waiting on Mueller and NYS and The Southern District to keep working. I suspect the IRS has begun investigations too.
You elected criminals and they, and you, and us, will suffer because of it.
KEEEP THOSE FINGERS CROSSED THERE, LIL GUY!! It's gonna happen soon, I just know it!!
Hahahaha
Trollminator wrote:
right mid wrote:
Center right? My gosh, you're insane.
No, you are not well informed and live in your US-centric bubble. Comparing to most European nations, what we can liberal and progressive is actually more like in the middle at best. Our right today, in terms of value system is best compared to the Saudi monarchy - just a tad bit out there.
Not hardly, son. You are misinformed.
So many triggered libs posting today. Is it a liberal holiday or something?
L L wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
On a more important note, Trump is playing China perfectly. We're in the position of strength here. Our economy is booming, theirs isn't. Their stock market took a huge hit last night. Ours is down this week too, but it's still very strong, well above 24,000. China has more to lose and Trump is taking full advantage.
Never forget this, libs:
The Flagpolian Flop is coming
Mueller never
Clownpole forever
Yes, our economy is booming, so why mess with it?
The Dow was over 26,000 in January then dropped and hasn't recovered. So easy with the stock market enthusiasm.
Have to say that a big part of our economic boom is helped by cheap goods from China.
If you want to make phones and clothes over here it's going to cost consumers more.
It would lead to more jobs but who are going to fill those roles since we are now at full employment and you don't want immigrants?
Tariffs are taxes. Trump is raising taxes. This gets passed to consumers. It takes form our paychecks.
China is not afraid to oppress its own people for economic gain of the state.
The US cannot do that.
I am truly concerned about what Trump is doing to the world economy and what the impacts will be.
Please take a look at the charts. The Dow spiked from under 19,000 Nov 8, 2016 to 26,600+ in January 2018. Did you really think that trend was sustainable? The trend from the election to today is still strongly upward.
It is nice to see you folks on the Left come around to the idea that taxation is not all good and that all taxes flow directly to the consumer anyway (even "corporate" taxes). This was always a Republican point that the Left wouldn't accept.
Your other comments about "cheap goods from China (or anywhere)" started in the 80s/90s, and was also a Republican position that the former Left (the Left that had the working class vote) used to hate. Now you suddenly see the light because of Trump? Hmm.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
You know nothing about the Chinese economy if you think it's not doing well. Their GDP levels dwarf ours and their stock market is stable. Ours is down this year and saw a 400 point drop today, that's no small potatoes. You keep seeing this a zero sum game where in order for one to benefit the other has to lose. The global economy doesn't work this way, the global GDP pie has been increasing as global trade increases and all have benefited.
You are a simpleton moran to try to compare the Chinese economy to ours. In an all out trade war, we lose more. China has adopted the most advantageous capitalist framework and they are in a long term growth trend. They can not only withstand a bigger blow but can bounce back much faster. They have a single party system that holds vast powers over their economy. They can deal with a lot more economic pain than our decentralized debt-laden system can withstand. In terms of which has more to lose, we lose... but Trump is the mastermind economist, keep deferring to his greatness.
Wrong again, Marine. We have a gigantic trade deficit with China. USA is the de facto winner here since there's only room to take back lost ground. If you take this to the max, who has more products coming in to put tariffs on? CHINA.
The US exports $169.8B to China and imports $478.8B. We're currently putting tariffs on $50B and Trump has added $200B more. What does China do if we tariff over $169.8B? They're screwed big time. They don't import enough to have retaliatory tariffs.
Don't worry I'm sure we'll be told China is going to "dump treasuries." To who? The Fed? Good luck with that fantasy.
Trump wins, America wins again!
The import/export differential is tipped in our favor in terms of inflicting damage. That is a pure bilateral view that does not take into account how other countries will react and who will win the fight of influence there. Trump is distancing from our allies and threatening them as well, so if we see measures from multiple trade partners, we will be hurt much more than the Chinese. Second, they could inflict massive damage on US companies operating in China. Google, Apple, Walmart, all those big players would get killed of in the region, would be terrible for US GDP. The US is not in the position to counter such measures. And as far as the treasuries, less buying alone by the Chinese would be awful for us in terms of expansionary ability. Nobody else would pick up the slack. And if they decide to simply dump them at a loss on purpose, that would be extremely painful for us.
All in all, there is an end game that we know Trump doesn't want. He's going to bark loudly, but won't follow through all the way. With enough tariffs we will feel enough pain to put significant political pressure on Trump and the GOP. The Chinese don't have that issue. They have a single party system in full control. Politically, Trump and the GOP can't bear the pain if he pushes too much. So what are we getting out of this? Nothing. We are proving we are unreliable and whinny trade partners and we are hurting our own by doing this. The Chinese will take equivalent measures and will resort to other tactics, while we bleed to death if we push too hard. Think Trump would actually go through with another $50-100B in tariffs? Sure he may, but he can then kiss goodbye to reelection as our economy and stock markets would take a giant beating. Notice the Chinese don't call his bluff... they know he's gone soon. They are smooth operators, while he looks like the instigator and bad guy, trying to hurt them and meddling in their affairs. He can't outlast them.
Triggs wrote:
So many triggered libs posting today. Is it a liberal holiday or something?
It must be me. I am their trigger.
M.A.G.A.!!!
Trollminator wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Wrong again, Marine. We have a gigantic trade deficit with China. USA is the de facto winner here since there's only room to take back lost ground. If you take this to the max, who has more products coming in to put tariffs on? CHINA.
The US exports $169.8B to China and imports $478.8B. We're currently putting tariffs on $50B and Trump has added $200B more. What does China do if we tariff over $169.8B? They're screwed big time. They don't import enough to have retaliatory tariffs.
Don't worry I'm sure we'll be told China is going to "dump treasuries." To who? The Fed? Good luck with that fantasy.
Trump wins, America wins again!
The import/export differential is tipped in our favor in terms of inflicting damage. That is a pure bilateral view that does not take into account how other countries will react and who will win the fight of influence there. Trump is distancing from our allies and threatening them as well, so if we see measures from multiple trade partners, we will be hurt much more than the Chinese. Second, they could inflict massive damage on US companies operating in China. Google, Apple, Walmart, all those big players would get killed of in the region, would be terrible for US GDP. The US is not in the position to counter such measures. And as far as the treasuries, less buying alone by the Chinese would be awful for us in terms of expansionary ability. Nobody else would pick up the slack. And if they decide to simply dump them at a loss on purpose, that would be extremely painful for us.
All in all, there is an end game that we know Trump doesn't want. He's going to bark loudly, but won't follow through all the way. With enough tariffs we will feel enough pain to put significant political pressure on Trump and the GOP. The Chinese don't have that issue. They have a single party system in full control. Politically, Trump and the GOP can't bear the pain if he pushes too much. So what are we getting out of this? Nothing. We are proving we are unreliable and whinny trade partners and we are hurting our own by doing this. The Chinese will take equivalent measures and will resort to other tactics, while we bleed to death if we push too hard. Think Trump would actually go through with another $50-100B in tariffs? Sure he may, but he can then kiss goodbye to reelection as our economy and stock markets would take a giant beating. Notice the Chinese don't call his bluff... they know he's gone soon. They are smooth operators, while he looks like the instigator and bad guy, trying to hurt them and meddling in their affairs. He can't outlast them.
China's already working with us in our favor. In the spring they conceded they'll work with us on a more equal balance. Everyone on the planet (except perhaps Liberals here in the US) knows they've been playing unfairly for 2-3 decades now. Their economy is slowing down compared to their growth figures from the hayday, and soon they'll have similar growth concerns as the US.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/xi-pledges-a-more-open-china-increased-imports-and-lower-tariffs-1523369395https://www.forbes.com/sites/charleswallace1/2018/04/06/china-offers-to-help-us-reduce-its-trade-deficit/#6f1557453f08Rigged for Hillary wrote:
I am their trigger.
Tigger was a horse. Horse walk in their own poop, and their farts are very nasty--they have violent gas.
Trump's superpower wrote:
L L wrote:
Yes, our economy is booming, so why mess with it?
The Dow was over 26,000 in January then dropped and hasn't recovered. So easy with the stock market enthusiasm.
Have to say that a big part of our economic boom is helped by cheap goods from China.
If you want to make phones and clothes over here it's going to cost consumers more.
It would lead to more jobs but who are going to fill those roles since we are now at full employment and you don't want immigrants?
Tariffs are taxes. Trump is raising taxes. This gets passed to consumers. It takes form our paychecks.
China is not afraid to oppress its own people for economic gain of the state.
The US cannot do that.
I am truly concerned about what Trump is doing to the world economy and what the impacts will be.
Please take a look at the charts. The Dow spiked from under 19,000 Nov 8, 2016 to 26,600+ in January 2018. Did you really think that trend was sustainable? The trend from the election to today is still strongly upward.
It is nice to see you folks on the Left come around to the idea that taxation is not all good and that all taxes flow directly to the consumer anyway (even "corporate" taxes). This was always a Republican point that the Left wouldn't accept.
Your other comments about "cheap goods from China (or anywhere)" started in the 80s/90s, and was also a Republican position that the former Left (the Left that had the working class vote) used to hate. Now you suddenly see the light because of Trump? Hmm.
Like Ben Shapiro said, Trump's true superpower is the ability to make the Democrats disagree with ANYTHING. Anything at all.
There's video of him saying the exact same things that Bill Clinton said about immigration, yet he gets attacked and Billy Boy received praise. Hell, 3 years ago, Hillary took the same strong stance on illegal immigration, and today she's a spineless turd on the issue.
Several of my Left-leaning pals that used to prioritize the middle class and "America first" as essential to our country, are now spewing free trade, anti-tariff, etc. rhetoric..... simply because Trump is taking the traditional Democrat position from them. The genius thing about stealing this position is it leaves the Left with nothing..... except identity politics, which people are fed up with.
Econ 100 wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
The import/export differential is tipped in our favor in terms of inflicting damage. That is a pure bilateral view that does not take into account how other countries will react and who will win the fight of influence there. Trump is distancing from our allies and threatening them as well, so if we see measures from multiple trade partners, we will be hurt much more than the Chinese. Second, they could inflict massive damage on US companies operating in China. Google, Apple, Walmart, all those big players would get killed of in the region, would be terrible for US GDP. The US is not in the position to counter such measures. And as far as the treasuries, less buying alone by the Chinese would be awful for us in terms of expansionary ability. Nobody else would pick up the slack. And if they decide to simply dump them at a loss on purpose, that would be extremely painful for us.
All in all, there is an end game that we know Trump doesn't want. He's going to bark loudly, but won't follow through all the way. With enough tariffs we will feel enough pain to put significant political pressure on Trump and the GOP. The Chinese don't have that issue. They have a single party system in full control. Politically, Trump and the GOP can't bear the pain if he pushes too much. So what are we getting out of this? Nothing. We are proving we are unreliable and whinny trade partners and we are hurting our own by doing this. The Chinese will take equivalent measures and will resort to other tactics, while we bleed to death if we push too hard. Think Trump would actually go through with another $50-100B in tariffs? Sure he may, but he can then kiss goodbye to reelection as our economy and stock markets would take a giant beating. Notice the Chinese don't call his bluff... they know he's gone soon. They are smooth operators, while he looks like the instigator and bad guy, trying to hurt them and meddling in their affairs. He can't outlast them.
China's already working with us in our favor. In the spring they conceded they'll work with us on a more equal balance. Everyone on the planet (except perhaps Liberals here in the US) knows they've been playing unfairly for 2-3 decades now. Their economy is slowing down compared to their growth figures from the hayday, and soon they'll have similar growth concerns as the US.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/xi-pledges-a-more-open-china-increased-imports-and-lower-tariffs-1523369395https://www.forbes.com/sites/charleswallace1/2018/04/06/china-offers-to-help-us-reduce-its-trade-deficit/#6f1557453f08
That is equivalent to throwing us a bone. Of course their economy is slowing down, it could only slow down after the insane growth, but our growth is nothing compared to their 6-7% annual growth (which is considered "slow"). Nobody is disputing they have been playing unfairly, we are disputing that Trump's tactics are working. You say your proof is that the Chinese are working with us??? Of course they are working with us, they are our trade partner. My question, how are tariffs changing the imbalance when they are applying equal retaliatory tariffs? We are back at square one, nothing changed. So if we are going to play the tariff game then we would need to do it until they can't match, which is not going to happen because we would tank our economy and Trump would be out.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Wrong again, Marine. We have a gigantic trade deficit with China. USA is the de facto winner here since there's only room to take back lost ground. If you take this to the max, who has more products coming in to put tariffs on? CHINA.
If trade actually operated as children understand the notion of trading, you'd have a point.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
The US exports $169.8B to China and imports $478.8B. We're currently putting tariffs on $50B and Trump has added $200B more. What does China do if we tariff over $169.8B?
Watch our economy slow. You'd understand this if your understanding of trade wasn't that of a small child.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Don't worry I'm sure we'll be told China is going to "dump treasuries." To who? The Fed? Good luck with that fantasy.
Trump wins, America wins again!
Please explain how a slow treasuries market benefits a domestic economy. No? I didn't think so. Or. maybe this time it's going to be different than all those other times in the history of trade wars.
Yes, the Chinese have some trade and economic policy that harmed the industrialized West. Using child's logic to address the matter isn't going to work. When the consequences of children making trade policy harm us all, there is no one to blame but yourself.
Trump's superpower wrote:all taxes flow directly to the consumer anyway
LOL. You idiots swallow this propaganda whole. "The consumer" is not all participants in an economy with some kind of equal distribution.
Your other comments about "cheap goods from China (or anywhere)" started in the 80s/90s, and was also a Republican position that the former Left (the Left that had the working class vote) used to hate. Now you suddenly see the light because of Trump? Hmm.
And then you boost the zealotry with this nonsense.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Trump's superpower wrote:all taxes flow directly to the consumer anyway
LOL. You idiots swallow this propaganda whole. "The consumer" is not all participants in an economy with some kind of equal distribution.
Your other comments about "cheap goods from China (or anywhere)" started in the 80s/90s, and was also a Republican position that the former Left (the Left that had the working class vote) used to hate. Now you suddenly see the light because of Trump? Hmm.
And then you boost the zealotry with this nonsense.
Solid deflection attempt. It's all true nonetheless.
a) Take an economics class. Just a single one. You look foolish.
b) The Dems used to be the party of the blue collar, working class folk. As such, you used to recite anti-capitalist positions, fight for fair trade, against outsourcing, etc. Now you guys are in favor of each of those things and more. Why? "Trump!"