Like I said, this liberal outrage for illegal alien kids will run its course for next couple days. Triggered libs with TDS is a never ending comedy. Trump isn't going anywhere. He's going to be a thorn in your side for another 6 1/2 years.
Mueller never
Clownpole forever
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Like I said, this liberal outrage for illegal alien kids will run its course for next couple days. Triggered libs with TDS is a never ending comedy. Trump isn't going anywhere. He's going to be a thorn in your side for another 6 1/2 years.
Mueller never
Clownpole forever
And you don’t give a flying fvck about those kids, as long as Trump keeps sticking it to us libs.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Situations like this happen and the libs have made this topic to be their outrage of the week:
Border Agent: "Do you speak English? Is this your son?"
Illegal: "Si, Yes"
Border Agent: "What's his name?"
Illegal: "Ricardo"
Border Agent: "He can't spell it."
Illegal: "He forgot."
Border Agent: "He said his papá is Miguel. You're Matías"
Illegal: "He's confused."
Border Agent: "Did he start shaving at 4 or 5?"
Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen reported a 314% increase in adults showing up with kids that aren’t a family unit. Wake up liberals, it's a money making scam that the traffickers are exploiting.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/18/nielsen-family-separation-children-trump-652448
No matter how you spin it, this issue is laid pretty bare in front of all. It is a perfect example of Trump having taken something over, not changing any laws, but handling it in a completely irresponsible and disastrous way... all for political gain. Cant blame anyone else, we all know if was enforced differently under other presidents. As you and Gary like to point out in a daily basis, we’ve had some pretty scummy politicians in this country. However, none were willing to stoop this low and go this far to stick it to the other side. Be proud of your orange stooge and be proud of your vote.
Trump is quickly on his way to becoming the biggest $hit stain on our country’s history, right up there now with the racist south hanging to to slavery with all their power. Something tells me he will top that soon enough.
Trumpettes are NOT Americans!
Trumpers still feeling froggy for no reason. Bless their hearts. They (people with just reasons) are rightfully coming at Trump from many sides, and it will end badly for him.
People aren't against Trump because he's a Republican. People are against him because he is a dangerous criminal.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
"Just because your child gets across the border that doesn't mean your child gets to stay"- Hillary Clinton 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O9ZsUQjx94
Well, if Hillary said it then it must be the gospel.
Trollminator wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Situations like this happen and the libs have made this topic to be their outrage of the week:
Border Agent: "Do you speak English? Is this your son?"
Illegal: "Si, Yes"
Border Agent: "What's his name?"
Illegal: "Ricardo"
Border Agent: "He can't spell it."
Illegal: "He forgot."
Border Agent: "He said his papá is Miguel. You're Matías"
Illegal: "He's confused."
Border Agent: "Did he start shaving at 4 or 5?"
Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen reported a 314% increase in adults showing up with kids that aren’t a family unit. Wake up liberals, it's a money making scam that the traffickers are exploiting.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/18/nielsen-family-separation-children-trump-652448No matter how you spin it, this issue is laid pretty bare in front of all. It is a perfect example of Trump having taken something over, not changing any laws, but handling it in a completely irresponsible and disastrous way... all for political gain. Cant blame anyone else, we all know if was enforced differently under other presidents. As you and Gary like to point out in a daily basis, we’ve had some pretty scummy politicians in this country. However, none were willing to stoop this low and go this far to stick it to the other side. Be proud of your orange stooge and be proud of your vote.
Trump is quickly on his way to becoming the biggest $hit stain on our country’s history, right up there now with the racist south hanging to to slavery with all their power. Something tells me he will top that soon enough.
You CLEARLY don’t have an understanding of what is actually going on down there.
Clearly a moran wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
No matter how you spin it, this issue is laid pretty bare in front of all. It is a perfect example of Trump having taken something over, not changing any laws, but handling it in a completely irresponsible and disastrous way... all for political gain. Cant blame anyone else, we all know if was enforced differently under other presidents. As you and Gary like to point out in a daily basis, we’ve had some pretty scummy politicians in this country. However, none were willing to stoop this low and go this far to stick it to the other side. Be proud of your orange stooge and be proud of your vote.
Trump is quickly on his way to becoming the biggest $hit stain on our country’s history, right up there now with the racist south hanging to to slavery with all their power. Something tells me he will top that soon enough.
You CLEARLY don’t have an understanding of what is actually going on down there.
You are clueless. Adults, the majority of them aredrug smugglers and human traffickers, are using kids as probes to test our border security and laws. 10,000 of those kids are now safely in HHS shelters. Democrats however want them reunited with the cartels and the coyotes.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Clearly a moran wrote:
You CLEARLY don’t have an understanding of what is actually going on down there.
You are clueless. Adults, the majority of them aredrug smugglers and human traffickers, are using kids as probes to test our border security and laws. 10,000 of those kids are now safely in HHS shelters. Democrats however want them reunited with the cartels and the coyotes.
The big lie.
The overwhelming majority are just families seeking asylum.
Now House Pubs want the names of the anti-Trump FBI agents released.
Will the insanity from the right ever stop?
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Clearly a moran wrote:
You CLEARLY don’t have an understanding of what is actually going on down there.
You are clueless. Adults, the majority of them aredrug smugglers and human traffickers, are using kids as probes to test our border security and laws. 10,000 of those kids are now safely in HHS shelters. Democrats however want them reunited with the cartels and the coyotes.
^^^clueless “Latino” doesn’t know any immigrants otherwise would not be making completely unfounded blanket statements like this
So politically, what is the Democrat's endgame on separation of illegal families at the border? What is their actual policy? Come one, come all? This is why they will lose on this just like all their other fake issues.
Go ahead Democrats, campaign on open borders, it's political suicide.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
So politically, what is the Democrat's endgame on separation of illegal families at the border? What is their actual policy? Come one, come all? This is why they will lose on this just like all their other fake issues.
Go ahead Democrats, campaign on open borders, it's political suicide.
I hope Dems stand strong on this and let Trump continue it until the mid terms. The blue wave will crush the Republicans if this continues.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
So politically, what is the Democrat's endgame on separation of illegal families at the border? What is their actual policy? Come one, come all? This is why they will lose on this just like all their other fake issues.
Go ahead Democrats, campaign on open borders, it's political suicide.
I'm not seeing "open borders" in here, so apparently they did lose on a fake issue.
Fixing our Broken Immigration System
The United States was founded as, and continues to be, a country of immigrants from throughout the world. It is no coincidence that the Statue of Liberty is one of our most profound national symbols. And that is why Democrats believe immigration is not just a problem to be solved, it is a defining aspect of the American character and our shared history.
The Democratic Party supports legal immigration, within reasonable limits, that meets the needs of families, communities, and the economy as well as maintains the United States’ role as a beacon of hope for people seeking safety, freedom, and security. People should come to the United States with visas and not through smugglers. Yet, we recognize that the current immigration system is broken.
More than 11 million people are living in the shadows, without proper documentation. The immigration bureaucracy is full of backlogs that result in U.S. citizens waiting for decades to be reunited with family members, and green card holders waiting for years to be reunited with their spouses and minor children. The current quota system discriminates against certain immigrants, including immigrants of color, and needs to be reformed to the realities of the 21st century. And there are real questions about our detention and deportation policies that must be addressed.
Democrats believe we need to urgently fix our broken immigration system—which tears families apart and keeps workers in the shadows—and create a path to citizenship for law-abiding families who are here, making a better life for their families and contributing to their communities and our country. We should repeal the 3-year, 10-year and permanent bars, which often force persons in mixed status families into the heartbreaking dilemma of either pursuing a green card by leaving the country and their loved ones behind, or remaining in the shadows. We will work with Congress to end the forced and prolonged expulsion from the country that these immigrants endure when trying to adjust their status.
We must fix family backlogs and defend against those who would exclude or eliminate legal immigration avenues and denigrate immigrants. Those immigrants already living in the United States, who are assets to their communities and contribute so much to our country, should be incorporated completely into our society through legal processes that give meaning to our national motto: E Pluribus Unum.
And while we continue to fight for comprehensive immigration reform, we will defend and implement President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals and Deferred Action for Parents of Americans executive actions to help DREAMers, parents of citizens, and lawful permanent residents avoid deportation. We will build on these actions to provide relief for others, such as parents of DREAMers. We will support efforts by states to make DREAMers eligible for driver's licenses and in-state college tuition. We will invest in culturally-appropriate immigrant integration services, expand access to English language education, and promote naturalization to help the millions of people who are eligible for citizenship take that last step.
We believe immigration enforcement must be humane and consistent with our values. We should prioritize those who pose a threat to the safety of our communities, not hardworking families who are contributing to their communities. We will end raids and roundups of children and families, which unnecessarily sow fear in immigrant communities. We disfavor deportations of immigrants who served in our armed forces, and we want to create a faster path for such veterans to citizenship.
We should ensure due process for those fleeing violence in Central America and work with our regional partners to address the root causes of violence. We must take particular care with children, which is why we should guarantee government-funded counsel for unaccompanied children in immigration courts. We should consider all available means of protecting these individuals from the threats to their lives and safety—including strengthening in-country and third-country processing, expanding the use of humanitarian parole, and granting Temporary Protected Status.
We will promote best practices among local law enforcement, in terms of how they collaborate with federal authorities, to ensure that they maintain and build trust between local law enforcement and the communities they serve. We will also vigorously oversee any programs put in place, to make sure that there are no abuses and no arbitrary deportation programs. We will establish an affirmative process for workers to report labor violations and to request deferred action. We will work to ensure that all Americans—regardless of immigration status—have access to quality health care. That means expanding community health centers, allowing all families to buy into the Affordable Care Act exchanges, supporting states that open up their public health insurance programs to all persons, and finally enacting comprehensive immigration reform. And we will expand opportunities for DREAMers to serve in the military and to then receive expedited pathways to citizenship.
We will fight to end federal, state, and municipal contracts with for-profit private prisons and private detention centers. In order to end family detention, we will ensure humane alternatives for those who pose no public threat. We recognize that there are vulnerable communities within our immigration system who are often seeking refuge from persecution abroad, such as LGBT families, for whom detention can be unacceptably dangerous.
We reject attempts to impose a religious test to bar immigrants or refugees from entering the United States. It is un-American and runs counter to the founding principles of this country.
Finally, Democrats will not stand for the divisive and derogatory language of Donald Trump. His offensive comments about immigrants and other communities have no place in our society. This kind of rhetoric must be rejected.
Endgames wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
So politically, what is the Democrat's endgame on separation of illegal families at the border? What is their actual policy? Come one, come all? This is why they will lose on this just like all their other fake issues.
Go ahead Democrats, campaign on open borders, it's political suicide.
I hope Dems stand strong on this and let Trump continue it until the mid terms. The blue wave will crush the Republicans if this continues.
Look at what's happening to Merkel in Germany, she might be out of a job. The citizens of Germany are sick & tired of all those rapefugees that were allowed in. The dems are committing suicide. let them dig their own graves.
Long ago figured that any sort of rational discourse with the likes of DG, Rigged, or jaminloper, etc. is utterly pointless, so have taken a strategy of pointing out the hypocrisy, ignorance, and often vileness. But that's a wasted effort as well. Certainly don't wish them well. Wish them a whatever. Done with these types, and so we'll see how it all shakes out over the next months and couple of years.
Meanwhile, here's a nice safe space you can look forward to, snowflakes:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/18/florida-senior-citizens-vote-election-2018-218758
Maybe they could set aside a couple of states for you.
This is the tip of the ice berg.
0975uy wrote:
Long ago figured that any sort of rational discourse with the likes of DG, Rigged, or jaminloper, etc. is utterly pointless, so have taken a strategy of pointing out the hypocrisy, ignorance, and often vileness. But that's a wasted effort as well. Certainly don't wish them well. Wish them a whatever. Done with these types, and so we'll see how it all shakes out over the next months and couple of years.
Meanwhile, here's a nice safe space you can look forward to, snowflakes:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/18/florida-senior-citizens-vote-election-2018-218758Maybe they could set aside a couple of states for you.
The only snowflakes out there are triggered liberals. Trump is fighting child trafficking at the border and the left is doing everything they can to stop him. Let that sink in. End child trafficking.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
You are clueless. Adults, the majority of them aredrug smugglers and human traffickers,
Was there a day in recent history when this wasn't the case?
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
are using kids as probes to test our border security and laws. .
Test how? Explain this some more.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
10,000 of those kids are now safely in HHS shelters. Democrats however want them reunited with the cartels and the coyotes.
What happened to the cries of government overreach and wasteful spending on boondoggle projects? According to you, the U.S. is hold 10,000 children. Is this the new gitmo? Are they hostages? What's the next step? These are very serious questions and deserve answers.
You don't really deserve a long response but I care about this issue a lot. First of all, show some respect as despite the right-wing propaganda you are well aware that bad actors make up a very tiny percentage of migrants. If you can't see through that and understand the level of danger and losses those families have endured leading to their total desperation to decide to leave everything behind and risk their lives crossing a vast body of water in a packed vessel then you are simply subhuman.
Now, if you mean to say what do we do to prevent bad actors from coming in and shouldn't there be respect for borders then that is a discussion most reasonable people can have.
If you were paying attention before Trump came along, our country slowly drifted into this situation. Most immigrants coming to the US are economic migrants, not people from war-torn countries lacking basic survival needs. That's a significant distinction. In Germany and across the rest of Europe, right-wingers are concerned about the cost of helping those people, what the long term plan is, and whether assimilation is possible, and the effect it might have on their culture. That is very different here, despite what right-wing nuts peddle every day. We don't have financial packages for immigrants and there is a very long history of successful assimilation (melting pot).
The US has taken in economic migrants since the beginning of time. All our ancestors came from less wealthy nations than the US, so we are all leaches. The millions of white Europeans that "poured" in over the last century weren't dealing with good economic situations at home, and some even left to escape legal trouble (think Trump ancestors). So we have a history of this, and it has been a double-edged sword. Immigrants do the work that most Americans wouldn't think twice of avoiding at all costs, and they do it cheaply and with no benefits or protections. They pay rent, pay for transportation, for food, for their kids' expenses... all that money is spent here and benefits our GDP. Money left to send back home is immaterial. Many have children here, which of course grow up as Americans, attend college and build their lives here (me for example), also net producers.
Our economic infrastructure has supported this process for a very long time, and unquestionably it has been a low-priority issue for the most part. The bipartisan discussions have started with the elephant in the room. First, what to do about the 11 million or so undocumented immigrants that reside here? Of those 11 million, many have children that are either American or that were raised here since a very young age and are culturally more American than not. That's where the problem lies, both parties have been very aware of the basic issues of potential separation and logistics when dealing with reform.
IMO, some kind of reasonable reform would consist of a mechanism to review the status of those 11 million and give them the opportunity to be legalized as green card holders if they meet some form of good-citizen standard (pay back taxes, no criminal offenses, etc..) or to be processed out under certain circumstances. The dreamer act is a no brainer IMO, kids that have been raised here their whole lives and are expected to be contributing members of society should have legal status, be able to attend college and work legally - there should be a clear path for their permanent residency. The reality is that like in every other large developed nation, we will always have illegal migration, so it is a matter of how much is tolerable without causing major labor and economic disruptions. Think immigration is so evil? I will point to Japan quickly. They have a mass shortage of health care workers and a quickly aging population. Their refusal to let foreign workers fill that gap is going to result in a catastrophic situation.
Part of the reform discussion is also labor law reform. Across most of Europe, illegal migrants have a brutal time finding work. There is certainly demand for their cheap labor, but companies are really well-regulated when it comes to hiring people that are legally able to work. As a result, there is a huge disincentive for economic migrants there. In the US, we have a very different supply/demand structure and our laws are more friendly, with certain industries almost fully dependent on cheap immigrant labor. Ask farmer unions across the country how they feel about ending immigration completely. Some have called for legalizing seasonal work, whereby foreigners apply for certain manual work in the US at much lower rates than what would be paid to Americans, albeit still much higher than they pay illegals. That is how desperately they need these workers, they are willing to compromise.
Another major part of the discussion is border security and enforcement. We have a massive documentation issue, which makes the whole reform discussion much harder. We have the right to enforce our border laws and ultimately no matter how globalized the world becomes we are separate nations, so more work is needed there. As a country, we haven't given enough thought to how to best secure the border and prevent mass immigration, especially when it comes to those entering in unsafe and life-threatening situations.
So in general, the consensus is the highest priority would be what to do about the 11 million, then how to ensure that the border is protected in a humane way and that going forward there is a standard and more constructive mechanism to deal with immigration.
Now for a quick take on Trump's actions. First, he is doing it backwards. It is not the small number coming in now that is most pressing, it is the elephant in the room, the 11 million. Second, the current enforcement of the border laws is inhumane and impractical. Perhaps they are preventing more from successfully entering, but are they properly documenting them? Are they actually stopping them from trying to come in again? Is it ethical (or even lawful) to separate adults from their kids? This is not a solution and not even close to being a good start. This amounts to instigation and using children as a political pawn. This is a new scummy level of political tactics that was not used before. All to appease the base, because the only tangible results will be to prove that Trump can process more immigrants back home than Obama did. Like other issues, this one is vastly complex, but there goes unhinged Trump again swinging his bat in the air with blindfolds on. Trumpers should really stop thinking these complicated issues can be dealt with in simple snap-of-the-finger tweaks.
Trumpers need to ask themselves what is behind this persecution. Are you all ok with Trump totally trampling on human rights, further destroying families, for the sake of sloppily trying to keep a very small numbers of bad actors out? Are you all ok with the ICE intimidation tactics and random searches, often done on Americans who "look like foreigners" again for the sake of unsuccessfully trying to catch the bad guys? If you say yes, think about your own motives. Think about the pretense. He started all this by pointing to the bad actors... he's been telling you all that is why he's doing all this. IMO that has very little to do with anything. Trump is that guy that offers scapegoats, he's that guy that will tell you doing horrible things is totally fine because it will M@GA. This is how he keeps you hooked. You are relying on a terrible human being and leader to guide you. It's gotten to the point that trumpers are totally comfortable with inhumane tactics, as long as he sticks to those rotten dems.