This thread was originally titled, "Incredible development in the $612,000 Transcon Goodge run, currently ongoing" but the new title is more descriptive. The description of the run is here.
I'm not saying Paul IS genuine or bogus, but he can shut this down FOR GOOD, with that link. 100% proof, instantly.
Not really. Cockerell will just accuse PJ of having someone else run with the watch like Cockerell accused Goodge after he couldn't find any evidence against Goodge.
Paul doesn't seem like the kind of guy to do that to be honest. From what I know about Will Goodge, there was a lot of funny business going on there, including being very tricky to track down. Paul has an actual tracker. People are running with him more than Will. He also has a real heart rate. The question is, is what the cadence absences are? No legit explanation has been offered yet. Running with an enduro in your pocket registers a cadence. Holding a camera stick? Still gives you a cadence. The obvious explanation is riding in the van. The only other thing is to blame Strava - which be fair. It is 100% not the fault of the watch. To suggest that is just not true.
The solution is easy. Post the Garmk Connect link. Fixes everything.
The question is, is what the cadence absences are? No legit explanation has been offered yet. Running with an enduro in your pocket registers a cadence. Holding a camera stick? Still gives you a cadence. The obvious explanation is riding in the van. The only other thing is to blame Strava - which be fair. It is 100% not the fault of the watch. To suggest that is just not true.
The solution is easy. Post the Garmk Connect link. Fixes everything.
As long as we are making up conspiracy theories, why not aliens in a saucer beaming PJ up and giving him a ride? You can easily determine what the reason is for the cadence if you just download the Strava data and analyze it instead of using simplified Strava graphs that often distort and smooth the data. This would just take a few minutes with everything already posted. But aliens and anal probes are more fun, right?
Nah. That's not what I'm saying. Don't need to download Strava data. The Garmin connect app gives you a really easy to see 100% locked in, no smoothing graph. Post that once a day as an Insta story and you're safe. Not sure what you're on about with the anal probes. Strange take.
These cases are very similar but also contrasting methods. Two influencers offering targets vastly beyond their capabilities, fundraising by saying they'd be record breakers, having dreadful records in real competition, painting the side of their vans that they're record breakers, vast data anomalies, incredibly fast splits [way faster than Kostelnick for the amount of sub 9:30s] and of course the, now obligatory, six part Youtube series. WG went for half a million raise, and fell 400k short, and PJ's gone for the sweet million.
Anwyay, this has been the perfect day for data analysis. 30miles with company, which we know were clean, and the Stravas are perfect; and now an imperious 2 hours when every single mile has been within a few secs of 10 minute miling - absolutely world class. If the cadence crashes in the second half of today, that won't look good, no longer being baby-sat by PK and sleuth.
His HR was disturbingly low for many aspects of the last 3 days, but nothing as graphic as WG.
We'll know a lot more on the morrow.
Ps, another similarity is how quickly and easily they recalibrate. WG went from 63 to 53 overnight, when he learnt of Lees, and did a massive 7 day negative split but fell narrowly short; and now PJ has recalibrated from 50 back to 42 after he start to catch some flak about giving up.
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Sneakers, can you duplicate in Strava a 1 mile run with a portion of zero cadence movement over say a 1/2 mile distance? Put on two watches that both register it and put the whole thing on video. I can’t figure out how this is possible, but you seem to think it’s not really an outlier.
Yes, Rob Pope has has a big go on Strava comments about this when someone has said, "well, he could have removed his watch... he could have put it in his pocket for that segment..."
But the crashes have now happened dozens of times, and it happens to both watches on each wrist, because he put them both on Strava together and the BOTH had the exact same cadence crashes. He then deleted one, but not before someone in the mid west had taken videos.
People are passionate and curious about this stuff, and Sneakers' laceration of me is so strange when I'm not alone in all this, and it's important stuff that requires debate, not his constant disgusting insults, to mask that he's got nothing. If he had something, he would produce it. And Sneakers could easily get hold of WGs Whoop, as his biggest supporter. The fact that he doesn't speaks volumes.
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Sneakers, can you duplicate in Strava a 1 mile run with a portion of zero cadence movement over say a 1/2 mile distance? Put on two watches that both register it and put the whole thing on video. I can’t figure out how this is possible, but you seem to think it’s not really an outlier.
Easily. You could just have both watches on one arm holding a phone somewhat steady while running like as if you were browsing this thread while running across America. See the comments in the Reddit thread below where they reporting using a phone during a run messes up the cadence bringing it to zero or near zero. And I bet that if you actually downloaded the Strava data, the cadence would not be all zero but rather in the 0-20 range like that Reddit thread shows, due to Strava smoothing and simplifying the graphs to be for expected running values.
Sneakers, can you duplicate in Strava a 1 mile run with a portion of zero cadence movement over say a 1/2 mile distance? Put on two watches that both register it and put the whole thing on video. I can’t figure out how this is possible, but you seem to think it’s not really an outlier.
Easily. You could just have both watches on one arm holding a phone somewhat steady while running like as if you were browsing this thread while running across America. See the comments in the Reddit thread below where they reporting using a phone during a run messes up the cadence bringing it to zero or near zero. And I bet that if you actually downloaded the Strava data, the cadence would not be all zero but rather in the 0-20 range like that Reddit thread shows, due to Strava smoothing and simplifying the graphs to be for expected running values.
No. These crashes are happening for kms at a time, at good pace, to both watches, on each wrist. And as if he's really surfing the internet leisurely whilst doing this thing.
Look at that early 5k crash today. What happened there? And they often coincide with swift running like 7 minute ks.
But the crashes have now happened dozens of times, and it happens to both watches on each wrist, because he put them both on Strava together and the BOTH had the exact same cadence crashes. He then deleted one, but not before someone in the mid west had taken videos.
People are passionate and curious about this stuff, and Sneakers' laceration of me is so strange when I'm not alone in all this, and it's important stuff that requires debate, not his constant disgusting insults, to mask that he's got nothing. If he had something, he would produce it. And Sneakers could easily get hold of WGs Whoop, as his biggest supporter. The fact that he doesn't speaks volumes.
Nothing? I have PJ's data downloaded. Looks like it is you that has nothing, just like with Goodger.
And see my post before this one for a reason why the cadence could be showing zero in Strava for a portion of the run with precedent to back it up. And I'll expound on that explanation by saying that the cadence drops could also happen if you used trekking poles on the arms that would naturally lower the rate at which they would swing and register on the watch. You'll need to download the Strava data to see the non-smoothed cadence data.
But the crashes have now happened dozens of times, and it happens to both watches on each wrist, because he put them both on Strava together and the BOTH had the exact same cadence crashes. He then deleted one, but not before someone in the mid west had taken videos.
People are passionate and curious about this stuff, and Sneakers' laceration of me is so strange when I'm not alone in all this, and it's important stuff that requires debate, not his constant disgusting insults, to mask that he's got nothing. If he had something, he would produce it. And Sneakers could easily get hold of WGs Whoop, as his biggest supporter. The fact that he doesn't speaks volumes.
Nothing? I have PJ's data downloaded. Looks like it is you that has nothing, just like with Goodger.
And see my post before this one for a reason why the cadence could be showing zero in Strava for a portion of the run with precedent to back it up. And I'll expound on that explanation by saying that the cadence drops could also happen if you used trekking poles on the arms that would naturally lower the rate at which they would swing and register on the watch. You'll need to download the Strava data to see the non-smoothed cadence data.
Agreed trekking poles would lower cadence, but they do not zero out cadence. They divide the spm by a factor of 2 or 4 depending on the poling technique used (a la nordic skiing). PJ has used poles since day 3 (check instagram) but the zero cadence issue first occurred yesterday. So it's not the poles, or we would have seen the anomaly sooner.
Share the data you have and we will back off and admit you're right, if that is the case.
Agreed trekking poles would lower cadence, but they do not zero out cadence.....
Share the data you have and we will back off and admit you're right, if that is the case.
If only you just downloaded PJ's data instead of looking at the Strava graphs where Strava filters out low cadence values making them look all zero. It's really easy to do.
Agreed trekking poles would lower cadence, but they do not zero out cadence.....
Share the data you have and we will back off and admit you're right, if that is the case.
If only you just downloaded PJ's data instead of looking at the Strava graphs where Strava filters out low cadence values making them look all zero. It's really easy to do.
Please explain for my smooth lizard-brain how to do this. I only know how to download the route gpx. How does one download cadence from someone else's activity? Thanks
Thanks Sneak! On my run tomorrow, I’ll hold up my hand still like I’m talking on the phone for a quarter mile. I’ll report back the results. I’ll look like an idiot, but it’s for science.
Crazy how the technology seems to stop malfunctioning in the same way it has been when people run with him today. No magical heart rate and cadence drops while dropping faster miles up a steep hill, funny how that works
You are falling for your own confirmation bias instead of downloading the data and being objective in analyzing it. With a large amount of vertical yesterday it is natural the next day to be particularly tired and cover less ground.
Crazy how the technology seems to stop malfunctioning in the same way it has been when people run with him today. No magical heart rate and cadence drops while dropping faster miles up a steep hill, funny how that works
Or rather PJ was running with Pete Kostelnick and group for part of today so he couldn't use his trekking poles as much like yesterday (unless he wanted to stab a pole into someone's gut running), which is what is very likely causing the cadence drops when combined with Strava filtering out low cadence values in the graph.
Please explain for my smooth lizard-brain how to do this. I only know how to download the route gpx. How does one download cadence from someone else's activity? Thanks
Various people in this thread have already explained how to download the data 4 or 5 times already. You should ask Cockerell how to do it, he should be an expert by now after all this time and step by step instructions.