Olympic and world champion Asbel Kiprop has tested positive

Your benevolent LRC dictator wrote:

At this stage we must state the caveat that Kiprop hasn’t been banned for anything and all athletes are presumed innocent by anti-doping authorities until convicted by both their “A” and “B” sample positive and a hearing. Occasionally, the “B” sample does not confirm the “A” sample result (Bernard Lagat for EPO), or the anti-doping authorities accept the reason the prohibited substance was found in the athlete (Ajee Wilson’s tainted beef leading to a zeranol positive).

Pretty funny LRC. What about all those Russians who were McLaren-banned for... being Russian??!

And you give two (2) USA examples for getting off scot-free? While Russian users of heart-drugs like meldonium were even denied access to the TUE circus.

kanny wrote:

Ugh. Holding out (probably false) hope that Geb and Bekele are clean.

They were closing 10k's under 13:00...what do you think? And 26:19? C'mon...

I don't think you should promote 2nd place finishers to "winners" when the first guy tests positive (+).

Obviously there's diminished incentive at that point, ppl shut it down when they realize they are not "#1". It's basically a coin flip as to whom achieves non-winner positions.

So it's better just to leave the award vacant.

Laughing my задниц off wrote:

the TUE circus.

Perfect!

simple solution wrote:

I don't think you should promote 2nd place finishers to "winners" ...

Obviously there's diminished incentive at that point, ppl shut it down when they realize they are not "#1". It's basically a coin flip as to whom achieves non-winner positions.

So it's better just to leave the award vacant.

You realize an Olympic bronze is still worth an awful lot of endorsements? No one shuts it down in an Olympic race.

Geez, Kiprop tests positive and the people of LRC conclude that every East African champ ever was doping...

Laughing my задниц off wrote:

Your benevolent LRC dictator wrote:

At this stage we must state the caveat that Kiprop hasn’t been banned for anything and all athletes are presumed innocent by anti-doping authorities until convicted by both their “A” and “B” sample positive and a hearing. Occasionally, the “B” sample does not confirm the “A” sample result (Bernard Lagat for EPO), or the anti-doping authorities accept the reason the prohibited substance was found in the athlete (Ajee Wilson’s tainted beef leading to a zeranol positive).

Pretty funny LRC. What about all those Russians who were McLaren-banned for... being Russian??!

And you give two (2) USA examples for getting off scot-free? While Russian users of heart-drugs like meldonium were even denied access to the TUE circus.

Our Russian troll returns.

How it all went down in Rio wrote:

Coe: Look, you can either let Centro win and have the [unclear, sounded like "fifty Gs"], or we'll bust you anyway for doping a couple of months down the road. It's your choice, but we'd like to see him [Centro] on the podium. (It's a feel good story)

Nooo. Kenyans pay better.

Once a fan... wrote:

I watched Monaco over and over. I thought he was just better. He was the star of the 1500/mile. Devastating news, so disappointed.

Ugh. Please. The sport is so dirty. It's not a sport.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Laughing my задниц off wrote:

Pretty funny LRC. What about all those Russians who were McLaren-banned for... being Russian??!

And you give two (2) USA examples for getting off scot-free? While Russian users of heart-drugs like meldonium were even denied access to the TUE circus.

Our Russian troll returns.

We are not singular.

submissive male secretary wrote:

Geez, Kiprop tests positive and the people of LRC conclude that every East African champ ever was doping...

It is a possibility. It's general knowledge they rarely do out of competition test there in addition to bribes.

doctorj wrote:

submissive male secretary wrote:

Geez, Kiprop tests positive and the people of LRC conclude that every East African champ ever was doping...

It is a possibility. It's general knowledge they rarely do out of competition test there in addition to bribes.

It's not just a possibility, it's a probability which becomes even more likely with every Kenyan champion being busted.

submissive male secretary wrote:

Geez, Kiprop tests positive and the people of LRC conclude that every East African champ ever was doping...

IKR?

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Our Russian troll returns.

Careful my friend, this 90's website could be hacked by my 10 year old son, so need for my Fancy Bear hackers to find out who you are and where you live.

Left Said Fred wrote:

By my count, in Rio "East Africa" won the men's 800m, steeplechase, marathon, and the women's 1500m, 5000m, 10000m and marathon.

I fail to see how that might be a "dive," given that the men's 5000m and 10000m winner was of East African extraction and had won the same in the previous three global championships.

By being shut out of the m1500, losing the m5000 and m10,000 to a east African from Britain, getting only one medal in msteeple, mostly dropping out of marathon so Rupp could sneak in there. No westerners had a chance in w5000 or w10000, so no dives there. wsteeple top 3 was legit to the year's form, but not the elimination in the heats of Hiwot Ayalew or the dismal performance of Sofia Assefa. They held on to the wmarathon, but barely - the next Kenyan after Sumgong ran 2:46, and the next after her was DNF, and Ethopia had a DNF too.

A little here, a little there to make things believable. One top elite doesn't make the team, another out in the heats, another out in the semis. In m1500, Aman Wote DNS in the heats. In the semis, Mekonnen DNQ and Manangoi DNS. On the backstretch in the final, Kiprop is on Centro's shoulder after a comfortable surge, and Kwemoi loping his way to the front. Watch Kwemoi simply quit on the turn. Watch Kiprop start pulling up with 30 to go, still relaxed. Both had plenty left in the tank, they clearly lost on purpose.

Kiprop on Centro's shoulder with 200 to go in a 3:50 race = Kiprop by at least 10 meters in the real world, even off the sauce.

Regarding someone's comment on an earlier page commenting on winners not looking happy, look at the expression on Centro's face after that race ended. No smile at all. If anything he looked puzzled.

Great that he got popped, and as people posting here have noted, it gives more credence to the leaked Fancy Bears 'likely doping' list. Interesting to note that Kiprop was only 'passport suspicious' on that list, which is one notch down from the 'likely doping' rating, and didn't have as many stars next to his name and some others.......

I'd like to see the following:

1) Some proper journalistic reports to actually understand what is going on with testing in athletics in general and how it works. A case in point - what is the situation with OOC testing in Africa at the moment? Does anyone even know if there is any blood testing of athletes in Kenya/Ethiopia right now? One assumes that Kiprop has been popped on a urine test, but that he was originally flagged due to a blood profile that was the result of tests taken when he was competing in Europe? Canova's posts about Sondre on these forums suggests that he was never blood tested during the year (ish) he spent in Kenya, but that (anecdotally) he was urine tested a number of times there. Mo Farah gave an anecdote that the testers couldn't get the needle in to his training partner one morning in Ethiopia......but is there really blood testing there? How can we not have an idea of what is going on? Wejo/Rojo - here is a chance for you to do an informative piece, involving interviewing WADA people, about the state of testing in athletics today. What has happened with Ruth Jebet by the way?

2) I'd like athletes - no, just ONE athlete - actually try to positively demonstrate that they are clean, rather than the current 'I've never failed a doping test' mentally. Someone has to set the standard of how to do this. Publish all your tests. Publish your blood profile. List all the supplements you take. Blog your training. Explain how the whereabouts system works. It's not hard. But not one athlete does this. No wonder we are all so suspicious. Transparency!

3) We have to look backwards before we go forwards. Without a Truth & Reconciliation council in athletics, the sport will not progress. Look at the list of Rosa athletes. Look at the old world records still standing. It's quite obvious that there has been massive amounts of doping and cheating in the past but without an incentive (or lack of punishment) to come clean, we will never clear anything up. We need to actively interrogate the champions and the times of the past. Anyone who has seen my posts know that my bugbear on this issue is Paula Radcliffe and the holes in her story surrounding the three dodgy test results in her career. To take one example, we're supposed to believe that after setting a world best time in the Great North Run, she is then so ill with 'food poisoning' she is given a course of antibiotics (ask your doctor how likely this is...) and is then so 'weak' due to this that she has a Hgb score of only 12.0.....but then manages to destroy the world class opposition in the world half marathon championships (13 days after the Great North Run and presumably still taking the antibiotics. Come ON! Are you serious? If this was a runner of another nationality we'd be laughing at this ridiculous story. Again, we need some journalists to do some good work and dig into these stories from the past and stop believing what they are told.

+1

I guess most successful runners wouldn't want to give away every detail of their training and diet, and if the only clean athletes are struggling to make semis, who would care anyway? But perhaps they should be forced to. Unfortunately, pretty gross levels of intrusion into the lives of elite athletes is going to be necessary to clear this mess up. Clean athletes probably wont object if it means they can at last compete on a level playing field.

I would say the case of Paula Radcliffe indicates that most European elites aren't doping. Let's assume she was doping (I don't know if she did or didn't but your case sounds convincing). So after Kiprop we can safely say that doping is a problem in Africa. Let's not be racist, and assume that Paula was simply the great white dope of non-african women's distance running. Yet she destroyed the East Africans (at her best) and they still can't get near her times, even though so many of them are/were doping. Was she some incredible outlier, or does it mean she simply decided that to compete with Africans, you have to take the same supplements as them? (In other words, most non-africans don't take that step, but if they did, they would be running ridiculous times and matching the Africans too, just as Paula did).

Why have you turned it in to a topic about race: white vs black. That only hints at deep rooted insecurity and anxiety and seemingly this topic is an opportune vindication of those perverse feelings and emotions. Through history all people have doped.