Does any one know how many (if any) zero days Frank Giannino took on his run?
Does any one know how many (if any) zero days Frank Giannino took on his run?
It seems like Frank did not. His pacing didn't settle until later runs in the second attempt.From: http://shoe-fitter.com/run-USA.html
RUN #1
There were actually two Runs. The first effort began on March 1, 1979, in Santa Monica, California. During a pre-dawn rain, Frank and his friend Bill Glatz scooped up some Pacific Ocean water. They handed it to their friend and handler, Rebecca Wright, to store in their donated motor home. The water would be part of a ceremony of "West meets East" on the water's edge at New York City's Battery Park at the completion of the Run. Run #1 began from the parking lot of the Four Seasons Restaurant on Highway One, overlooking the Pacific.
Prior to this, Frank and Bill often trained in the Shawangunk Mountains near New Paltz, NY. Arguably, New York's Hudson Valley Region is one of the best places to train on Earth. The mountain trails of the 'Gunks', world- famous for rock climbing, hiking and boldering, also feature some of the best 'Rave Runs' anywhere. Currently, the U. S. Marathon team trains there. The countless miles on the carriage trails of Mohonk and Minnewaska helped prepare them for their odyssey. After a rough start, Billy decided not to continue. He departed Run #1 early on day eleven in Phoenix, only after he was sure that Frank and Becky would be able to keep up the 50-mile per day pace needed to reach the finish in 60 days.
Despite daily terrain and weather challenges, Frank's greatest concerns were physical. Thankfully, symptoms that could lead to injury would disappear, despite running all day, day after day. Much of this was due to creative shoe modifications, lower leg compression hose and an understanding of self, along with the constant help of Becky. Frank, with Becky's undaunted support and friendship, finished Run #1 arriving at New York City Hall on April 30, 1979, sixty days and six hours after that rainy start. They ran through thirteen states, covered 2,876 miles, averaging fifty miles per day. Their adventures along the way have become legendary. At the end of a brief ceremony in Battery Park, the Twin Towers looming overhead, Frank answered a reporter's question regarding, "Would you ever do it again?" by saying he was definitely going to do another run: this time from San Francisco to New York. He knew that for his next Run he would need greater financing and a larger support crew.
Four months later, Frank won the Kingston Half Marathon in 1:12:05. Then in March of 1980, he finished second in the St. Patrick's Day 10K in New Paltz with a time of 33:00. All the high mileage coming across the country paid off, as Frank enjoyed the best racing performances of his life. His only other standout performance, time-wise, was his 2:39:34 in the 1975 Maryland Marathon.
RUN #2
Sixteen months after the finish of Run #1, after a brief ceremony, Frank began Run #2 from the steps of San Francisco's City Hall. This time his support crew consisted of his family and a friend. His brother John stayed with him on a bicycle to give immediate support. He had a radio/cassette player mounted on the back of the bike, as well as medical supplies and food for he and Frank. His parents, Frank Sr. and Josephine Giannino, drove the motor home and provided all-round support. His friend Bruce Goldberg did the public relations work, contacting the media, United Way representatives and running clubs along the way. Frank Sr., a retired male nurse, looked after Frank's health and the health of everyone on the trip. He drove and maintained the motor home. Josephine created a homey atmosphere in the motor home, did the cooking and calorie counting, and kept a detailed diary of her experiences. The family dog, Brindle, was on the trip too.
Things were not easy on Run #2. On the 4th of July, Stan Cottrell of Georgia raised the performance bar, completing a well-financed run from New York City to San Francisco in 48 days 1 hour 48 minutes, an average of 64 miles per day. Frank's original plan for Run #2 was to average 60 miles per day. Cottrell's effort raised the bar. Not only did he have to better that average, but he had to do it convincingly. Frank did not have the gifts of a fast ultra-marathoner, but he did have two things going for him — he had done this before, and he had the perfect support team to do it with - his family! If he was going to average more than 64 miles per day, everything was going to have to come together perfectly.
Frank's plan was to reach Fort Collins, CO at an average of 60 miles per day. After that, he planned to average 70 miles per day. The plan was to run 2.5 miles at 10-12 minutes per mile, walk a little, run 2.5 again and repeat the process through twenty miles; then break for breakfast for one hour; run/walk another twenty miles; break one hour for lunch; then run as many miles as possible into the nighttime hours. The first four days across California were rough. Frank's pace was slow. California roads were very busy. The family was not making enough sacrifices in an effort to reach seventy miles per day. Instead of foregoing showers and parking near the finish marker, the family would drive out of its way for a KOA, in order to be comfortable after the fifty or so miles they had covered. This pace was far below the 60 miles and ultimately 70 miles that would be needed daily.
With a renewed resolve, all family members dug in and made sacrifices. In some cases, the sacrifices were painful. Frank Sr. came down with dysentery in Nevada. John's bike was run over. Bruce survived stomach problems. Frank lost three toenails. Brindle, more than once, managed to collect burrs in her fur while seeking relief during roadside pit-stops. The stories, as on Run #1, are legendary.
Suffice it to say, things worked out in the end. The group tightened up the routine. They grabbed showers when available. Only Frank bathed at the end of the day in the motor home shower. Frank's mileage routine increased. After Fort Collins, the crew awoke at 3:00 AM; Frank ran 25 miles; broke for breakfast; twenty five more miles; lunch; then as many miles as possible by dark. They reached the 70-mile goal almost every day and finished in 46 days 8 hours 36 minutes. The Guinness Book of World Records still lists it as the fastest crossing of the United States on foot.
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought the total miles had to be 3100.
Guinness shows 3100 miles as the fastest crossing record from San Francisco to New York.
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/fastest-crossing-of-america-
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But this: "According to the Guinness rules, you can take any route you like as long as it equals or surpasses 2,766 miles."
http://www.runultra.co.uk/News/January-2016/Breaking-the-1980-Guinness-World-Record-crossing-A
Racergirl wrote:
[quote]Blind Drivers wrote:
There are an amazing number of accidents caused by people plowing into stopped cars on the road, and even going onto a shoulder to hit them. I cannot explain what those people are thinking. Whle
They are on their phone not paying attention. I watch people when I am running on a highway and more than half are talking or looking at their phone. Some on my side of the white line while I am running in the ditch.
I always make sure to wave at the drivers who get over some.
If Pete was a month earlier, he could have taken the last ride on the Blue Streak!
Conneaut lake blue streak?
Killer technology...... wrote:
[quote]Racergirl wrote:
[quote]Blind Drivers wrote:
If Pete was a month earlier, he could have taken the last ride on the Blue Streak!
ruppandroll wrote:
His delorme tracking sight seems weird today.
There now is also a Petimus Kostelnick listed as well, and it isn't showing the tracks for each day. I miss the blue dots.
Looks to be cruising into the outskirts of Nappanee, IN.
Let me help clear up you confusion. The Petimus account is a backup tracker that is ready to go if the original tracker dies. At this point the Petimus tracker has not been used.
Uncertain wrote:
It seems like Frank did not. His pacing didn't settle until later runs in the second attempt.
From:
http://shoe-fitter.com/run-USA.htmlRUN #1
There were actually two Runs. The first effort began on March 1, 1979, in Santa Monica, California. During a pre-dawn rain, Frank and his friend Bill Glatz scooped up some Pacific Ocean water. They handed it to their friend and handler, Rebecca Wright, to store in their donated motor home. The water would be part of a ceremony of "West meets East" on the water's edge at New York City's Battery Park at the completion of the Run. Run #1 began from the parking lot of the Four Seasons Restaurant on Highway One, overlooking the Pacific.
Prior to this, Frank and Bill often trained in the Shawangunk Mountains near New Paltz, NY. Arguably, New York's Hudson Valley Region is one of the best places to train on Earth. The mountain trails of the 'Gunks', world- famous for rock climbing, hiking and boldering, also feature some of the best 'Rave Runs' anywhere. Currently, the U. S. Marathon team trains there. The countless miles on the carriage trails of Mohonk and Minnewaska helped prepare them for their odyssey. After a rough start, Billy decided not to continue. He departed Run #1 early on day eleven in Phoenix, only after he was sure that Frank and Becky would be able to keep up the 50-mile per day pace needed to reach the finish in 60 days.
Despite daily terrain and weather challenges, Frank's greatest concerns were physical. Thankfully, symptoms that could lead to injury would disappear, despite running all day, day after day. Much of this was due to creative shoe modifications, lower leg compression hose and an understanding of self, along with the constant help of Becky. Frank, with Becky's undaunted support and friendship, finished Run #1 arriving at New York City Hall on April 30, 1979, sixty days and six hours after that rainy start. They ran through thirteen states, covered 2,876 miles, averaging fifty miles per day. Their adventures along the way have become legendary. At the end of a brief ceremony in Battery Park, the Twin Towers looming overhead, Frank answered a reporter's question regarding, "Would you ever do it again?" by saying he was definitely going to do another run: this time from San Francisco to New York. He knew that for his next Run he would need greater financing and a larger support crew.
Four months later, Frank won the Kingston Half Marathon in 1:12:05. Then in March of 1980, he finished second in the St. Patrick's Day 10K in New Paltz with a time of 33:00. All the high mileage coming across the country paid off, as Frank enjoyed the best racing performances of his life. His only other standout performance, time-wise, was his 2:39:34 in the 1975 Maryland Marathon.
RUN #2
Sixteen months after the finish of Run #1, after a brief ceremony, Frank began Run #2 from the steps of San Francisco's City Hall. This time his support crew consisted of his family and a friend. His brother John stayed with him on a bicycle to give immediate support. He had a radio/cassette player mounted on the back of the bike, as well as medical supplies and food for he and Frank. His parents, Frank Sr. and Josephine Giannino, drove the motor home and provided all-round support. His friend Bruce Goldberg did the public relations work, contacting the media, United Way representatives and running clubs along the way. Frank Sr., a retired male nurse, looked after Frank's health and the health of everyone on the trip. He drove and maintained the motor home. Josephine created a homey atmosphere in the motor home, did the cooking and calorie counting, and kept a detailed diary of her experiences. The family dog, Brindle, was on the trip too.
Things were not easy on Run #2. On the 4th of July, Stan Cottrell of Georgia raised the performance bar, completing a well-financed run from New York City to San Francisco in 48 days 1 hour 48 minutes, an average of 64 miles per day. Frank's original plan for Run #2 was to average 60 miles per day. Cottrell's effort raised the bar. Not only did he have to better that average, but he had to do it convincingly. Frank did not have the gifts of a fast ultra-marathoner, but he did have two things going for him — he had done this before, and he had the perfect support team to do it with - his family! If he was going to average more than 64 miles per day, everything was going to have to come together perfectly.
Frank's plan was to reach Fort Collins, CO at an average of 60 miles per day. After that, he planned to average 70 miles per day. The plan was to run 2.5 miles at 10-12 minutes per mile, walk a little, run 2.5 again and repeat the process through twenty miles; then break for breakfast for one hour; run/walk another twenty miles; break one hour for lunch; then run as many miles as possible into the nighttime hours. The first four days across California were rough. Frank's pace was slow. California roads were very busy. The family was not making enough sacrifices in an effort to reach seventy miles per day. Instead of foregoing showers and parking near the finish marker, the family would drive out of its way for a KOA, in order to be comfortable after the fifty or so miles they had covered. This pace was far below the 60 miles and ultimately 70 miles that would be needed daily.
With a renewed resolve, all family members dug in and made sacrifices. In some cases, the sacrifices were painful. Frank Sr. came down with dysentery in Nevada. John's bike was run over. Bruce survived stomach problems. Frank lost three toenails. Brindle, more than once, managed to collect burrs in her fur while seeking relief during roadside pit-stops. The stories, as on Run #1, are legendary.
Suffice it to say, things worked out in the end. The group tightened up the routine. They grabbed showers when available. Only Frank bathed at the end of the day in the motor home shower. Frank's mileage routine increased. After Fort Collins, the crew awoke at 3:00 AM; Frank ran 25 miles; broke for breakfast; twenty five more miles; lunch; then as many miles as possible by dark. They reached the 70-mile goal almost every day and finished in 46 days 8 hours 36 minutes. The Guinness Book of World Records still lists it as the fastest crossing of the United States on foot.
We will never know if Frank Gianninos record was real. It is very difficult to believe that since according to his website he never did any ultras besides his 2 Trans America runs. Very hard to believe.
http://shoe-fitter.com/frank-giannino.htmlPete Kostelnick had the second best 24 hour result last year world wide.
http://statistik.d-u-v.org/getintbestlist.php?dist=24h&year=2015&gender=MMore results are here:
http://statistik.d-u-v.org/getintbestlist.php?dist=24h&year=2015&gender=MI suppose throwing shade at the old record will finally get this thread the attention it deserves.
But it won't matter because Pete K is a freaking metronome and is 101% legit.
thanks, very curious what route would total only 2,766.
MarathonMind wrote:
thanks, very curious what route would total only 2,766.
LA to NY.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Los+Angeles,+CA/new+york,+ny/quote]MarathonMind wrote:
thanks, very curious what route would total only 2,766.[/quote]
LA to Savannah could only be 2421 miles
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Los+Angeles,+CA/Savannah,+GA/@31.9940094,-117.8377025,4z/data=
!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2c75ddc27da13:0xe22fdf6f254608f4!2m2!1d-118.2436849!2d34.0522342!1m5!1m1!1s0x88fb75fc78f20659:0x4e0c6751036020bc!2m2!1d-81.0998342!2d32.0835407[
Doh etosh wrote:
I suppose throwing shade at the old record will finally get this thread the attention it deserves.
But it won't matter because Pete K is a freaking metronome and is 101% legit.
Exactly :-)
LA to Savannah is the Forrest Gump route. Gump was record ineligible even though he ran the course back-and-forth, non-stop a few times; doesn't count.
Markus wrote:
Doh etosh wrote:I suppose throwing shade at the old record will finally get this thread the attention it deserves.
But it won't matter because Pete K is a freaking metronome and is 101% legit.
Exactly :-)
Markus, I have no idea who you are. And I don't know Frank Giannino or the history of ultra running.
Your arguments against Giannino just don't carry any weight.
1) You're offended that he didn't have "ultra experience." This amounts to you being offended that he wasn't a part of your world. It's just not a solid argument.
2) You're offended that the 46-day day record developed from a plan to beat a 48-day record that you claim is fraudulent. Again, it's not a solid argument. That's often how records are made: You plan to beat the current record. The fact that there's suspicion about the current record doesn't change the plan. Under your logic, Pete Kostelnick could plan for a 47-day run, execute that plan, and claim the record because Frank's record is "unproven." How stupid is that?
Marcus is a clown. Frank Giannino record stands based on his accomplishments in other races, including running across America twice. Pete is using Giannino's method (70 miles per day with breaks) that Giannino did not figure out until half-way through his second crossing. Pete is proving that process works very well, and even better if you apply from the start of the run. If Pete was trying to figure it out with blinders on he wouldn't near on record pace for the run.
If Pete has another crossing in him, I can see him running under 40 days using a 2766 route.
Giannino's record stands based on his accomplishments in other races, including running across America twice.Except, in this argument, his "other races" includes the "record" that you are defending, so you can't use that "accomplishment" as evidence in support of it being legitimate, since it is the one in question. You could say "including running across America once before", assuming of course that that first attempt is not in question.
0/10 Markus
Is Markus any connection to Markus Mueller, ultra runner who failed in his attempt to be among the 8 runners who finished the "LA-NY 2011 footrace"?
http://www.markusmuellerultrarunning.com/LA-NY2011.html
Does anybody know?
mogisdogis wrote:
Is Markus any connection to Markus Mueller, ultra runner who failed in his attempt to be among the 8 runners who finished the "LA-NY 2011 footrace"?
http://www.markusmuellerultrarunning.com/LA-NY2011.htmlDoes anybody know?
Good catch. The mentality of his posts fits. He DNFed that race with just 120 miles to go. A quitter. His marathon PR is just 3:07.
As an ultrarunner myself, I can see the problem of organized groups and runners who are not up to the task, being a problem. And that some runners might get to competitive along the route. Other than that there is no difference in a visitor, day hiker, runner, 5 day hiker they are all the same and rules should be the same for everyone.
http://www.hcn.org/articles/grand-canyon-runners-are-missing-the-point
Marathon Mainz, Germany 2004 3:07:10 h
http://www.markusmuellerultrarunning.com/mmultrarunning_bio.html
Even more damming:
Markus Mueller • 6 months ago
Frank Giannino's record claim from 1980 is very questionable for a runner who never did a ultrarace according to his website. 67 miles per day would put you in the category of the worlds best multiday runners. It is very hard to believe that Giannino just pulled that off in 1980 without any multi day running knowledge. What probably happened was that Stan Cottrell had just finished his "record run" across the country and Giannino had to be faster than that. There are reports that Cottrell didn't run the whole distance each day.
https://gearjunkie.com/adam-kimble-runs-across-usa-gearjunkie-mobile-office