A guy hiding on the bushes witn an AK 300-400 yards from Trump months after an earlier attempt; a guy who put out a video about supporting the Ukraine War that Trump wants to end shouldn't face attempted murder charges?
Do you live under a rock? It is very common when a likely dangerous suspect it apprehended to charge him with crimes that can immediately be presented to a judge and keep the guy in jail while the investigation continues. As the case develops, more charges will be added. This has nothing to do with Biden, Harris or Garland. It is the way the US system has worked for many decades under Republican and Democratic administrations.
Edward Snowden thinks that there must be some government finger prints on this (or maybe that is what he had to post to make sure he doesn't get invited to a party on an upper floor of a hotel with faulty windows).
I am seeing reports that Routh was spotted at a bar prior to encounter with Secret Service. We got a call and then started playing a game of solitaire. When he got the queen of hearts, he got a vacant look in his eye and left the bar without finishing his drink or the game of solitaire.
Edward Snowden thinks that there must be some government finger prints on this (or maybe that is what he had to post to make sure he doesn't get invited to a party on an upper floor of a hotel with faulty windows).
I am seeing reports that Routh was spotted at a bar prior to encounter with Secret Service. We got a call and then started playing a game of solitaire. When he got the queen of hearts, he got a vacant look in his eye and left the bar without finishing his drink or the game of solitaire.
Do you live under a rock? It is very common when a likely dangerous suspect it apprehended to charge him with crimes that can immediately be presented to a judge and keep the guy in jail while the investigation continues. As the case develops, more charges will be added. This has nothing to do with Biden, Harris or Garland. It is the way the US system has worked for many decades under Republican and Democratic administrations.
Wanna bet?
Yeah. If they can sustain other charges, they will make them. Of course, they have to evaluate the evidence. His presence and the gun are circumstantial evidence. Is it enough to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe.
If the guy left notes or internet evidence of specific intent, the case gets stronger. That takes time to develop. As long as he is in custody, they can proceed judiciously. Hence the gun charges.
And for perspective, as noted by another poster, federal gun violations were the charges lodged at people intending to shoot Obama. If there aren't enough overt acts to convince a jury, sometimes that's all the prosecution is able to sustain.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you seem to perceive a big deep state conspiracy in prosecutors doing what they do in other cases like this, including those involving a "deep state" president.
Yeah. If they can sustain other charges, they will make them. Of course, they have to evaluate the evidence. His presence and the gun are circumstantial evidence. Is it enough to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe.
If the guy left notes or internet evidence of specific intent, the case gets stronger. That takes time to develop. As long as he is in custody, they can proceed judiciously. Hence the gun charges.
And for perspective, as noted by another poster, federal gun violations were the charges lodged at people intending to shoot Obama. If there aren't enough overt acts to convince a jury, sometimes that's all the prosecution is able to sustain.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you seem to perceive a big deep state conspiracy in prosecutors doing what they do in other cases like this, including those involving a "deep state" president.
No other charges will be filed is my bet.
Did you see the initial reports?
Donald Trump appears to have been the intended target in a shooting at his golf club in West Palm Beach, Florida, on Sunday, according to a report. The former president is safe, his campaign said in a statement. CNN reported officials “believe the shots fired at Trump International Golf Club were intended for” Trump, citing sources familiar” with the matter, although the outlet later suggested that it was unclear whether the suspect opened fire. “The Secret Service identified the direction” of the shots and “returned fire at that gunman, who fled,” CNN Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst and former police official John Miller said on the air.
Now they are claiming the guy took no shots!
But it's crazy to question the official stories per you
Funny guy. Now a Russian citizen who swore an oath of allegiance to Russia.
Prior to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Snowden described warnings from the United States of an imminent invasion as a disinformation campaign.
Doesn't really sound like a solid source.
Why did he end up in Russia?
Doesn't matter. In terms of your claim that he is a solid source, I'd say him now being a Russian citizen who has sworn an oath of allegiance to Russia wins the day.
The fact that his claim about a United States disinformation campaign was as wrong as you could get kind of clinches it for me.
Do you live under a rock? It is very common when a likely dangerous suspect it apprehended to charge him with crimes that can immediately be presented to a judge and keep the guy in jail while the investigation continues. As the case develops, more charges will be added. This has nothing to do with Biden, Harris or Garland. It is the way the US system has worked for many decades under Republican and Democratic administrations.
Exactly. Obama had many attempts on his life. Most were charged with weapons charges.
NO OBAMA DIDN'T HAVE ANY ATREMPTS ON HIS LIFE. FACT CHECK IT...NEVERMIND
Although a registered Republican, he shooter 1 was clearly a democrat. Look at donations and video of his previous conducted that circulates following the shootings.
Similarly, look to shooter 2's 20 donations to Act Blue. I do not see anything credible to support the notion that he voted for Trump (granted, I acknowledge I did not look into this much and concede that he may have).
In any event, do you ever tire of the clear intellectual dishonesty?
You mistake my comments completely as I NEVER engage in intellectual dishonesty. Did BOTH shooters want to unalive Trump? Yes. Would a Trump LOVER want to do such a thing? No. Can a person switch sides politically? Yes. Does it appear shooter No. 2 did that? Yes. Does a shooter and/or a potential shooter of a former President and current candidate for President represent the thoughts and feelings of a PARTY? No.
That said:
1) Shooter No. 1 was a registered Republican but who wasn't outspoken about politics one way or the other. We have no clear-cut answer as to why he shot Trump, and so far the best guess of those doing the investigating is that he was a gun nut who wanted notoriety so he went after the biggest target close to him.
2) The second Trump shooter (or potential shooter as it isn't clear if he shot his gun) is being described as mentally-ill, and he DID vote for Trump in 2016 but then later described Trump as a "buffoon" and a "fool." I will clearly state for the record that just because someone is a buffoon and a fool doesn't mean they need to be murdered.
3) Access to guns is too easy in this country, and the gun culture here is such that a father in Georgia would allow his son (who had been talked to by law enforcement a year prior) easy access to guns in his house. I am not for banning ALL guns (and nothing ridiculous like just muskets), but we need to have reasonable gun laws in this country, and right now we do not have that. Oh the irony if a Republican candidate for President is ever killed with a gun.
Yeah. If they can sustain other charges, they will make them. Of course, they have to evaluate the evidence. His presence and the gun are circumstantial evidence. Is it enough to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe.
If the guy left notes or internet evidence of specific intent, the case gets stronger. That takes time to develop. As long as he is in custody, they can proceed judiciously. Hence the gun charges.
And for perspective, as noted by another poster, federal gun violations were the charges lodged at people intending to shoot Obama. If there aren't enough overt acts to convince a jury, sometimes that's all the prosecution is able to sustain.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you seem to perceive a big deep state conspiracy in prosecutors doing what they do in other cases like this, including those involving a "deep state" president.
No other charges will be filed is my bet.
Did you see the initial reports?
Donald Trump appears to have been the intended target in a shooting at his golf club in West Palm Beach, Florida, on Sunday, according to a report. The former president is safe, his campaign said in a statement. CNN reported officials “believe the shots fired at Trump International Golf Club were intended for” Trump, citing sources familiar” with the matter, although the outlet later suggested that it was unclear whether the suspect opened fire. “The Secret Service identified the direction” of the shots and “returned fire at that gunman, who fled,” CNN Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst and former police official John Miller said on the air.
Now they are claiming the guy took no shots!
But it's crazy to question the official stories per you
Just to get something out of the way before discussing substance, what is you basis for saying that I said it was crazy to question official stories? I don't recall making any such statement.
You are citing "reports" that shots were fired at Trump, but the outlet later admitted that it wasn't clear that shots had been fired at Trump. Neither of us knows whether the guy shot. He knows, and whomever examined his gun knows. Unless he is a complete idiot (which seems possible), he wouldn't have fired until Trump was closer. But if the SS shot at him, he may have shot back. Again, I took now position on whether he fired shots. I have seen reports saying he didn't, but I don't know. It doesn't matter for purposes of the federal gun charges, which apply whether or not he fire.
As for what the Chief of Police said, note that he was not present. The SS has the best guess at what happened and the police chief may have got the story wrong. Perhaps some agents fired at the guy when they spotted the gun, and other agents in a different position thought the intended assassin was shooting.
As for additional charges, if it turns out that he didn't fire a shot and Trump never got closed enough, is that enough for an attempted murder under Federal or Florida criminal statutes? Maybe, but I don't know. I have dealt with some of the Federal criminal statutes, but not relating to murder.
You seem to be hung up on conspiracy theories, but you should consider that if the supposedly powerful forces behind the deep state intended to assassinate Trump, he'd have been in his grave long ago.
Exactly. Obama had many attempts on his life. Most were charged with weapons charges.
NO OBAMA DIDN'T HAVE ANY ATREMPTS ON HIS LIFE. FACT CHECK IT...NEVERMIND
Thanks for the advice. I just fact checked it as you suggested and, you know what, there have been a bunch of threats on Obama's life, and at least a few times when those threats were acted on. Once, a guy who thought Obama was the Anti-Christ fired at least 7 shots at the White House. At least twice, Ricin-laced letters were sent to Obama. Once, a guy managed to jump the White House fence and get in the front door while armed with a knife. Pipe bombs were mailed to Obama (and a bunch of other Democrats), and a J6er was arrested near Obama's house with weapons and explosive making materials.
Looks like you're wrong, and Oldrunningguy is right.
Donald Trump appears to have been the intended target in a shooting at his golf club in West Palm Beach, Florida, on Sunday, according to a report. The former president is safe, his campaign said in a statement. CNN reported officials “believe the shots fired at Trump International Golf Club were intended for” Trump, citing sources familiar” with the matter, although the outlet later suggested that it was unclear whether the suspect opened fire. “The Secret Service identified the direction” of the shots and “returned fire at that gunman, who fled,” CNN Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst and former police official John Miller said on the air.
Now they are claiming the guy took no shots!
But it's crazy to question the official stories per you
Just to get something out of the way before discussing substance, what is you basis for saying that I said it was crazy to question official stories? I don't recall making any such statement.
You are citing "reports" that shots were fired at Trump, but the outlet later admitted that it wasn't clear that shots had been fired at Trump. Neither of us knows whether the guy shot. He knows, and whomever examined his gun knows. Unless he is a complete idiot (which seems possible), he wouldn't have fired until Trump was closer. But if the SS shot at him, he may have shot back. Again, I took now position on whether he fired shots. I have seen reports saying he didn't, but I don't know. It doesn't matter for purposes of the federal gun charges, which apply whether or not he fire.
As for what the Chief of Police said, note that he was not present. The SS has the best guess at what happened and the police chief may have got the story wrong. Perhaps some agents fired at the guy when they spotted the gun, and other agents in a different position thought the intended assassin was shooting.
As for additional charges, if it turns out that he didn't fire a shot and Trump never got closed enough, is that enough for an attempted murder under Federal or Florida criminal statutes? Maybe, but I don't know. I have dealt with some of the Federal criminal statutes, but not relating to murder.
You seem to be hung up on conspiracy theories, but you should consider that if the supposedly powerful forces behind the deep state intended to assassinate Trump, he'd have been in his grave long ago.
Breaking News: NO SHOTS WERE FIRED!
In other news, Generalísimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
Yes, I'm a news nerd, along with a track nerd, and many other kinds of nerds. Take a look at Wikipedia (not the most exact source but a general source) and they list about a dozen planned assassination attempts on Obama's life. Most were stopped in the planning stage and yes, the suspects were initially charged with different weapons violations in order to keep them in jail. Yes, they all had guns. That's what you buy when you want to kill someone. Guns are used OFFENSIVELY 98+% of the time. The whole protect yourself, protect your family story is largely a myth.
Yes, I'm a news nerd, along with a track nerd, and many other kinds of nerds. Take a look at Wikipedia (not the most exact source but a general source) and they list about a dozen planned assassination attempts on Obama's life. Most were stopped in the planning stage and yes, the suspects were initially charged with different weapons violations in order to keep them in jail. Yes, they all had guns. That's what you buy when you want to kill someone. Guns are used OFFENSIVELY 98+% of the time. The whole protect yourself, protect your family story is largely a myth.
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