You are right in that his criminal record will probably not be evidence in the trial, but on a related note, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to identify a career criminal.
A lot of people, sadly, are yelling on subways and seem mentally "off."
Can you share with me what I should look for, specifically, to know which ones are "career criminals"?
Nope. Society already spoon feeds people like you who would have died off long ago without the rest of us supporting you.
if you haven’t noticed that career criminals share some same behaviors and tendencies then that’s on you. (Notice how I said behaviors and tendencies, not traits since it’s obvious you want to go there)
A lot of people, sadly, are yelling on subways and seem mentally "off."
Can you share with me what I should look for, specifically, to know which ones are "career criminals"?
Nope. Society already spoon feeds people like you who would have died off long ago without the rest of us supporting you.
if you haven’t noticed that career criminals share some same behaviors and tendencies then that’s on you. (Notice how I said behaviors and tendencies, not traits since it’s obvious you want to go there)
I'm not wanting to "go" anywhere.
You said that we can tell which ones are "career criminals." I was just following up to see if you could help me out a bit on what to look for.
I guess you're declining to help me, and others, out.
I’ve seen some fat black whale on the nyc subway kick a midget for saying the magic word that triggers them so much. Whatever this michael Jackson 2.0 guy was saying clearly let off a fuse on the whole subway. Had it coming good.
The username is your robe, the anonymity your hood/mask... klansman. You forgot to sign off with M@GA.
I don’t follow M@GA cult and calling me “KKK” or whatever childish insults you can come up with don’t phase me. My username is my country and my heritage, our community here by the way (Brighton beach) has no problems with these Jordan Neelys because we let them know if they try to push one of our people or assault , vandalize or whatever other hooliganism they do it here we would give them the Jordan Neely treatment. Guess the passengers on the subway got a bit too tired of that dangerous thug.
Because the murderer was arrested right away. You need to think about your lapses in logic. Don't use Rupp's name in vain. If anything, this shores up the argument that Penny was given the benefit of the doubt partly because he was white.
whatever crimes were committed either in the subway or against persons at random are 100% coming in. come on.
Probably not. Look at the Rittenhouse trial. The court didn’t allow some of his past social media posts to be brought up (and I was all for them being kept out). Similarly here, the court probably won’t let the past arrests come into play. Even though it was obvious that Jordan was a wacko, he wasn’t carrying around his criminal history report and the marine could not officially have known he was choking a thug
this is a case where the probative value of his past outweighs any prejudicial concerns. Absolutely nothing whatsoever in nature similar to the Rittenhouse trial.
this is a case where the probative value of his past outweighs any prejudicial concerns. Absolutely nothing whatsoever in nature similar to the Rittenhouse trial.
Daniel Penny will get 15 years in prison. He’ll serve 3 before being killed in prison.
this is a case where the probative value of his past outweighs any prejudicial concerns. Absolutely nothing whatsoever in nature similar to the Rittenhouse trial.
Daniel Penny will get 15 years in prison. He’ll serve 3 before being killed in prison.
Just curious: do people on here genuinely disagree with the concept of self defense, or do you just enjoy being argumentative?
When someone clearly states their intent to kill, do you really think the response should be to just say "that's nice" and then wait to see if they actually kill?
There were no threats to kill or weapons on him. But since you brought up self defense, what am I supposed to think if I see a homeless guy being choked out on the subway? Am I to assume it's a white knight saving us all from potential danger?
The guy is a marine and knows full well a chokehold is not a restraining technique, but a way to render someone unconscious. It seems Penny is the one who lost his temper waaay more than Neely and in these circumstances Neely would have been fully within his rights to act in self defense.
ThisAgain? wrote: "There were no threats to kill or weapons on him."
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Shouting that you don't mind if you go to jail for life, as is alleged of Neely, is an implicit threat of a capital crime.
The username is your robe, the anonymity your hood/mask... klansman. You forgot to sign off with M@GA.
I don’t follow M@GA cult and calling me “KKK” or whatever childish insults you can come up with don’t phase me. My username is my country and my heritage, our community here by the way (Brighton beach) has no problems with these Jordan Neelys because we let them know if they try to push one of our people or assault , vandalize or whatever other hooliganism they do it here we would give them the Jordan Neely treatment. Guess the passengers on the subway got a bit too tired of that dangerous thug.
I don’t understand the issues here. Crazy guy in subway does what crazy people do. Marine takes him down to subdue him and to make sure he doesn’t do harm. At this point, there really isn’t much to see here. Marine is a hero. Crazy guy should be arrested/committed. Whatever it takes to make sure he’s not back on subways terrorizing. Faith or not in our system, this is what it should do and is theoretically at least designed to do. We are not a nation of vigilantes so for better or worse, need ti accept what the police and/or courts do with the guy.
But that isn’t where it stops. The marine chokes the guy to death, holding him for 15min, while subway riders do nothing to help restrain the crazy guy. From my viewpoint this is an accidental death, involuntary manslaughter and the use of excessive force. The rest of the subway should have consequences for being complicit in the man’s death.
Marine shouldn’t go to jail for long, but can’t escape some kind of punishment. Went from a hero to, not a zero, but certainly something other than a hero real quick. I feel for both the marine and the crazy guy and am pretty pissed at the other subway riders for letting this guy take the heat and not saving him from himself.
Just curious: do people on here genuinely disagree with the concept of self defense, or do you just enjoy being argumentative?
When someone clearly states their intent to kill, do you really think the response should be to just say "that's nice" and then wait to see if they actually kill?
Self defense? The guy did not attack anyone on that subway car. Did not directly threaten anyone. Not clear that he even said anything that was a generic threat.
This 'guy' had 50 prior police engagements, was known to have a severe mental health issue trending toward violence. Other passengers did in fact call 911 to report his aggressive and threatening behavior. NYPD no where to be seen, nor was their a police presence at each stop as required. Took 20 plus minutes for NYPD to respond. Loss of life is to bad, however actions have consequences.
Self defense? The guy did not attack anyone on that subway car. Did not directly threaten anyone. Not clear that he even said anything that was a generic threat.
This 'guy' had 50 prior police engagements, was known to have a severe mental health issue trending toward violence. Other passengers did in fact call 911 to report his aggressive and threatening behavior. NYPD no where to be seen, nor was their a police presence at each stop as required. Took 20 plus minutes for NYPD to respond. Loss of life is to bad, however actions have consequences.
The first 911 that was to report a fight.
The next one said that one of the people fighting may have had a weapon - but neither was.
The remaining calls were to report assault. Which is highly likely caked on behalf of Jordan since he was getting choked out.
The calls didn’t start until Penny was killing him.
This 'guy' had 50 prior police engagements, was known to have a severe mental health issue trending toward violence. Other passengers did in fact call 911 to report his aggressive and threatening behavior. NYPD no where to be seen, nor was their a police presence at each stop as required. Took 20 plus minutes for NYPD to respond. Loss of life is to bad, however actions have consequences.
The first 911 that was to report a fight.
The next one said that one of the people fighting may have had a weapon - but neither was.
The remaining calls were to report assault. Which is highly likely caked on behalf of Jordan since he was getting choked out.
The calls didn’t start until Penny was killing him.
The chokehold was roughly two minutes long. Initial reports of “15 minutes” were completely exaggerated. Do not believe everything you see vomited up on HuffPo. There were nearly two dozen witnesses who independently gave statements to NYPD about the length of the chokehold and statements made shortly before it happened. Such as “I will kill every mother-f’er on this train”. Beyond the “I am hungry and thirsty” variety offered up to soften the narrative. Problem w/virtue signaling in this particular instance is the facts are not going away.
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