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2 years ago 10/17/2022 2:47am EDT

re: fkkfkfkfkf

fkkfkfkfkf wrote:
BF scales aren't remotely accurate enough to tell the difference between a low BF of like 17% and an unhealthy 13%. Heck you can change the numbers by drinking/dehydrating yourself and you are crazy if you don't think athletes would figure out how to beat the test. The line between healthy lean and unhealthy is like a half dozen lbs. I suppose you could throw all the borderline cases into a decade scan but that isnt easy everywhere.
I can't even imagine how to monitor periods in an acceptable way.
And all of these problems are worse to figure out in HS (more athletes, less cash) where this all starts.

What about using a DEXA scan? Sure it's more expensive, but less sensitive to variation in hydration. Plus it can measure bone density, another important metric indicating the health of female runners.

2 years ago 10/17/2022 2:58am EDT

re: generational talent

generational talent wrote:
What? ‘Delusional’ they won’t ban your arse? Keep it up, sparky, and we’ll find out soon enough.

I support the ban of astro.

Astro has committed two major violations here. 1. accusing high school or college athletes of doping without evidence. 2 - commenting on the looks of female athletes (such as body fat %)

There's no other reason for his comments other than pure evil - he wants to ruin Valby's reputation and her running career. Rojo - why is this being allowed?

2 years ago 10/17/2022 3:17am EDT

re: solinski

solinski wrote:
astro wrote:
There is legitimate competition and then there are progressions that call legitimacy into question. Deflect all you want, but we always know.
She has a normal progression. Her progression is THE SAME AS TUOHY'S.
As a junior in high school she ran 10:10 and was undertrained. Compare that to Tuohy's 9:53 training at high mileage. Then Valby was hit with injuries but Tuohy literally got surgery on her knee - so she was affected less by injury than Tuohy.
Valby ran 19:41 in 2021 compared to Tuohy's best of 19:43 at Nationals (Valby was only 7 seconds behind Tuohy at Nationals in 2021).
Valby ran 8:53 indoors compared to Tuohy's 8:54. Valby appeared to have more injuries. Then at NCAA's Tuohy ran 15:18 and Valby ran 15:20.
It is the exact same progression. Here is a video of her 10:10 from 2019 - in FLORIDA high temperatures and high humidity. Running form is really bad, you can tell she's had basically no coaching.
Link:fl.milesplit.com/videos/374475/high-sc...

This was an excellent post. It is staring everyone in the face, though some refuse to accept it.

Valby only started running seriously as a freshman in HS, whereas, Tuohy had a few years head-start in training. But they are on different trajectories based on their ultimate talent level.

Valby, being a superior athlete as a runner, is on a trajectory that is about to overtake Tuohy’s trajectory this year. This is why the touhy fans (that have been on these boards for a while, politicking with their posts to try and eventually get her a pro contract) are out bullying the competition.

2 years ago 10/17/2022 3:32am EDT

re: hjkjsahdjkha

hjkjsahdjkha wrote:
Who said I doubt Tuohy's results? Unless she was doping as a 10th grader (you'd have to be sick to think so), she's been solid. Her steep improvement happened from 9th to 10th grade, about 5-6 years after she started running. Since then injury cycle hampered her, but she is improving nicely for someone who ran 15:37 as a 10th grader. She's going to get a lot better in the next few years.
Valby seems to be still in the steeper part of the improvement curve. As far as I can tell from Athletic.net, she has only been running for about 5-6 years, so she's hitting that sweet spot where the big drops come simultaneous to being in college where you get higher level coaching, amplifying the effect. Plus she was out for the last two years but may have been getting more aerobically fit. We'd have to know whether she was effectively cross training.

I think you nailed it. From her answers to Gault’s questions in the post-5000m race, she herself seemed somewhat surprised how well the cross-training works for her.

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:01am EDT

re: solinski

solinski wrote:
generational talent wrote:
What? ‘Delusional’ they won’t ban your arse? Keep it up, sparky, and we’ll find out soon enough.
I support the ban of astro.
Astro has committed two major violations here. 1. accusing high school or college athletes of doping without evidence. 2 - commenting on the looks of female athletes (such as body fat %)
There's no other reason for his comments other than pure evil - he wants to ruin Valby's reputation and her running career. Rojo - why is this being allowed?

It is being allowed because he is stating a valid if unpalatable point of view. The sport is rife with doping at the top level; it exists at college level; Valby's performances are consistent with the extreme improvements gained from doping. She is also not anorexic as some have suggested; her musculature, with incredibly low body-fat for a woman, is consistent with drugs like clenbuterol, used by body-builders and cyclists. Unlike body builders, she hasn't used drugs to build muscle mass but to reduce body fat. Running fans cannot get their heads around the fact that there are athletes who are doping at every level now in the sport - from schools to seniors.

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:04am EDT

re: generational talent

generational talent wrote:
solinski wrote:
She has a normal progression. Her progression is THE SAME AS TUOHY'S.
As a junior in high school she ran 10:10 and was undertrained. Compare that to Tuohy's 9:53 training at high mileage. Then Valby was hit with injuries but Tuohy literally got surgery on her knee - so she was affected less by injury than Tuohy.
Valby ran 19:41 in 2021 compared to Tuohy's best of 19:43 at Nationals (Valby was only 7 seconds behind Tuohy at Nationals in 2021).
Valby ran 8:53 indoors compared to Tuohy's 8:54. Valby appeared to have more injuries. Then at NCAA's Tuohy ran 15:18 and Valby ran 15:20.
It is the exact same progression. Here is a video of her 10:10 from 2019 - in FLORIDA high temperatures and high humidity. Running form is really bad, you can tell she's had basically no coaching.
Link:fl.milesplit.com/videos/374475/high-sc...
This was an excellent post. It is staring everyone in the face, though some refuse to accept it.
Valby only started running seriously as a freshman in HS, whereas, Tuohy had a few years head-start in training. But they are on different trajectories based on their ultimate talent level.
Valby, being a superior athlete as a runner, is on a trajectory that is about to overtake Tuohy’s trajectory this year. This is why the touhy fans (that have been on these boards for a while, politicking with their posts to try and eventually get her a pro contract) are out bullying the competition.

A "generational talent"? Dopers always are. The naievity of fans knows no measure.

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:08am EDT

re: generational talent

generational talent wrote:
solinski wrote:
She has a normal progression. Her progression is THE SAME AS TUOHY'S.
As a junior in high school she ran 10:10 and was undertrained. Compare that to Tuohy's 9:53 training at high mileage. Then Valby was hit with injuries but Tuohy literally got surgery on her knee - so she was affected less by injury than Tuohy.
Valby ran 19:41 in 2021 compared to Tuohy's best of 19:43 at Nationals (Valby was only 7 seconds behind Tuohy at Nationals in 2021).
Valby ran 8:53 indoors compared to Tuohy's 8:54. Valby appeared to have more injuries. Then at NCAA's Tuohy ran 15:18 and Valby ran 15:20.
It is the exact same progression. Here is a video of her 10:10 from 2019 - in FLORIDA high temperatures and high humidity. Running form is really bad, you can tell she's had basically no coaching.
Link:fl.milesplit.com/videos/374475/high-sc...
This was an excellent post. It is staring everyone in the face, though some refuse to accept it.
Valby only started running seriously as a freshman in HS, whereas, Tuohy had a few years head-start in training. But they are on different trajectories based on their ultimate talent level.
Valby, being a superior athlete as a runner, is on a trajectory that is about to overtake Tuohy’s trajectory this year. This is why the touhy fans (that have been on these boards for a while, politicking with their posts to try and eventually get her a pro contract) are out bullying the competition.

You fail to grasp the obvious; a different trajectory over an already established talented athlete isn't necessarily evidence of superior talent but doping - which, given all the factors observable here, it likely is.

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:15am EDT

re: Armstronglivs

Armstronglivs wrote:
solinski wrote:
I support the ban of astro.
Astro has committed two major violations here. 1. accusing high school or college athletes of doping without evidence. 2 - commenting on the looks of female athletes (such as body fat %)
There's no other reason for his comments other than pure evil - he wants to ruin Valby's reputation and her running career. Rojo - why is this being allowed?
It is being allowed because he is stating a valid if unpalatable point of view. The sport is rife with doping at the top level; it exists at college level; Valby's performances are consistent with the extreme improvements gained from doping. She is also not anorexic as some have suggested; her musculature, with incredibly low body-fat for a woman, is consistent with drugs like clenbuterol, used by body-builders and cyclists. Unlike body builders, she hasn't used drugs to build muscle mass but to reduce body fat. Running fans cannot get their heads around the fact that there are athletes who are doping at every level now in the sport - from schools to seniors.

He’s crossing the line when he incessantly attacks any runner faster that is a threat to tuohy. There actually are runners that are fast, whether you accept it or not.

“she hasn't used drugs to build muscle mass but to reduce body fat.”

You too just blatantly, outright accused Valby of doping. You need to be banned too, because the BroJos should be getting caught up in libel/slander (etc) charges. You guys have crossed over into internet harassment/bullying territory.

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:25am EDT

re: generational talent

generational talent wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
It is being allowed because he is stating a valid if unpalatable point of view. The sport is rife with doping at the top level; it exists at college level; Valby's performances are consistent with the extreme improvements gained from doping. She is also not anorexic as some have suggested; her musculature, with incredibly low body-fat for a woman, is consistent with drugs like clenbuterol, used by body-builders and cyclists. Unlike body builders, she hasn't used drugs to build muscle mass but to reduce body fat. Running fans cannot get their heads around the fact that there are athletes who are doping at every level now in the sport - from schools to seniors.
He’s crossing the line when he incessantly attacks any runner faster that is a threat to tuohy. There actually are runners that are fast, whether you accept it or not.
“she hasn't used drugs to build muscle mass but to reduce body fat.”
You too just blatantly, outright accused Valby of doping. You need to be banned too, because the BroJos should be getting caught up in libel/slander (etc) charges. You guys have crossed over into internet harassment/bullying territory.

Doping isn't illegal. She isn't being accused of a crime but of doing something that thousands of athletes have done and are doing to gain competitive advantage. Astro has given his reasons for claiming she is probably doping - which none here can refute. You and others on these threads simply want to silence opinions that are unacceptable to you.

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:30am EDT

re: generational talent

"You too just blatantly, outright accused Valby of doping. You need to be banned too, because the BroJos should be getting caught up in libel/slander (etc) charges. You guys have crossed over into internet harassment/bullying territory."(copy)

This is a public forum discussing sports. Stating that a given athlete's performances could be doped isn't harassment; the sheer presence of doping in sport makes it at least a possibility if not more. That's called free speech.

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:31am EDT

re: solinski

Ah you guys are all a bunch of bozos!

The course was obviously super short and super fast

The second place girl had a race of her life last year and lost to Orton by 50 seconds at xc. The fourth place girl who finished a minute and a half behind valby has a 17 minute 5K PR on the track!

Basically valby was running all out and the other girls were just Tempo running it!

Valby is a top runner and she's right where you expect her to be! But there's no evidence from this performance she's off the chart and will definitely win ncaas! In fact I'm willing to bet 2e beats her in a similar fashion to the way she beat her in the 5K last year!

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:31am EDT

re: Armstronglivs

Armstronglivs wrote:
Astro has given his reasons for claiming she is probably doping - which none here can refute. You and others on these threads simply want to silence opinions that are unacceptable to you.

No! Go back and read the thread carefully Every single one of his ‘reasons’ were reasonably refuted! Every one! But he just ignored those posts, and dug in deeper, continuing to repeatedly, blatantly accuse Valby of doping.

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:34am EDT

re: Armstronglivs

“Stating that a given athlete's performances could be doped isn't harassment”

You previously didn’t use the qualifier ’could be’.

’could be’? well the whole NCAA ‘could be’ by now. but I doubt that’s the case. 🙄 duh

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:35am EDT

re: generational talent

generational talent wrote:
hjkjsahdjkha wrote:
Who said I doubt Tuohy's results? Unless she was doping as a 10th grader (you'd have to be sick to think so), she's been solid. Her steep improvement happened from 9th to 10th grade, about 5-6 years after she started running. Since then injury cycle hampered her, but she is improving nicely for someone who ran 15:37 as a 10th grader. She's going to get a lot better in the next few years.
Valby seems to be still in the steeper part of the improvement curve. As far as I can tell from Athletic.net, she has only been running for about 5-6 years, so she's hitting that sweet spot where the big drops come simultaneous to being in college where you get higher level coaching, amplifying the effect. Plus she was out for the last two years but may have been getting more aerobically fit. We'd have to know whether she was effectively cross training.
I think you nailed it. From her answers to Gault’s questions in the post-5000m race, she herself seemed somewhat surprised how well the cross-training works for her.

I'm sure Ben Johnson, Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong were surprised at how well their training worked for them, too. What else could it be?

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:35am EDT

re: Ezrun

Here's another example of a girl who finished a minute and a half behind valby in this 6K

She was 2 minutes behind Mercy in a 5k last year!

I mean did any of you guys even bother to look at the girl she beat and how fast they are? if anything make results look less impressive!!!

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:36am EDT

re: Ezrun

6th place girl was also a minute and a half behind valby

And guess what she was also a minute and a half behind Mercy last year in the Southeast championship!

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:37am EDT

re: generational talent

generational talent wrote:
“Stating that a given athlete's performances could be doped isn't harassment”
You previously didn’t use the qualifier ’could be’.
’could be’? well the whole NCAA ‘could be’ by now. but I doubt that’s the case. 🙄 duh

I have always said it "could be"doping i.e. consistent with doping. However, some seem athletes more likely to be doped than others - even if there a question mark over the sport as a whole, as you suggest.

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:39am EDT

re: Ezrun

Ezrun wrote:
Here's another example of a girl who finished a minute and a half behind valby in this 6K
She was 2 minutes behind Mercy in a 5k last year!
I mean did any of you guys even bother to look at the girl she beat and how fast they are? if anything make results look less impressive!!!

This thread is based on how impressive her results are. You say they arent? Just another runner?

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:41am EDT

re: Ezrun

It’s hard to deny at this point that Valby is fast, if she can stay healthy.

But she shouldn’t have to worry whether the display of her talent is going to trigger dope accusers out to publicly tarnish her reputation on an Internet forum.

2 years ago 10/17/2022 4:42am EDT

re: generational talent

generational talent wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Astro has given his reasons for claiming she is probably doping - which none here can refute. You and others on these threads simply want to silence opinions that are unacceptable to you.
No! Go back and read the thread carefully Every single one of his ‘reasons’ were reasonably refuted! Every one! But he just ignored those posts, and dug in deeper, continuing to repeatedly, blatantly accuse Valby of doping.

They weren't refuted. You cannot prove she isn't doped. You merely disagree with the view that she is but you reasons and those given by others are not convincing - and do not prove you right.

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