Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

agip. wrote:

agip wrote:

honestly, it's just sad and awful for the country that almost the entire GOP will brush off any crimes their leader committed.

I mean really - it's an indictment of America that 41% of adults approve of Trump. And that almost every one of them just shrugs at his open grift, taking of bribes and criminal history.

I agree, it's just sad and awful for the country that the entire LEFT brushed off all of Hillary's crimes and voted for their leader, who lost.. I mean really, they knew she was a crook before the election but they still voted for her...first woman and all you know. Obama was bad, but her record was worse, yet many still voted for her.

How stupid can liberals be to not see both sides? They shrug at her open grift, her taking bribes from the big banks among others, ripping off a foreign country that needed help, and her criminal history. Truly sad.

DiscoGary wrote:

I do! wrote:

Explain the rat maze and how to get out of it.

So much to cover, and so little time. I will try to do this without going back to first principles, but it will be more chaotic that way.

The most helpful thing you need to know right off the bat is how to look at the political landscape, the people in it, how they behave and why. This is how to do that:

Politics is a team sport.

So you should look at the political parties as teams on a playing field, with people as hard core fans cheering for their team, ignoring fouls by their own guys while thinking that every foul by the other team is a crime against humanity. The way you win the game is by convincing fans from the other side to come over to your side of the stands.

The MSM/Academia/Harveywood are the cheer leaders for the Democrat/liberal team and it's their job to make sure that liberal fans don't see fouls committed by Democrats, while doing everything they can to make it look like the Republican/conservative team are cheating every step of the way.

The result of the MSM cheer leading is wall of misinformation, lies, innuendo, smears, and obfuscation that creates an alternate reality I call the Liberal Media Rat Maze, where liberals who don't actively try to pay attention to what's happening on the field end up believing the MSM cheers (their own side's propaganda) which has very little to do with what's happening in the real world. This is what it means to get stuck in the Liberal Media Rat Maze.

Getting out is simple, but almost impossible at the same time. All you have to do is stop listening to the cheers, and see what's happening on the field. For example, Dems/liberals portrayed Trump's tax cuts as a disaster for the country and a mega disaster for the little guy, but if you look at the playing field the economy boomed and unemployment is down to record levels for minorities. The Rat Maze is an illusion. See reality, and you're out!

That sounds easy to do, but it aint easy to admit the Packers are a good team if you're a Bears fan, so loyalty plays into it. Maybe you see the tax cuts working, but you know, you just KNOW the other team is still full of evil cheating bastords. You will sit on your side of the stands for a looong time and it will take a whole lot of reality to get you out of that seat and over to the other side to join people you've hated for 20 years.

Did that help? I'll throw some first principles at you next. You really can't move forward without them.

DiscoGary wrote:

The MSM/Academia/Harveywood are the cheer leaders for the Democrat/liberal team and it's their job to make sure that liberal fans don't see fouls committed by Democrats, while doing everything they can to make it look like the Republican/conservative team are cheating every step of the way. I don't disagree, so who are the cheer leaders for the GOP/conservative team?

The result of the MSM cheer leading is wall of misinformation, lies, innuendo, smears, and obfuscation that creates an alternate reality I call the Liberal Media Rat Maze, where liberals who don't actively try to pay attention to what's happening on the field end up believing the MSM cheers (their own side's propaganda) which has very little to do with what's happening in the real world. This is what it means to get stuck in the Liberal Media Rat Maze. Are FOX, the RT, Drudge Report and numerous right-wing garage band tabloids not part of the MSM? Or is it just the left-leaning ones that are?

For example, Dems/liberals portrayed Trump's tax cuts as a disaster for the country and a mega disaster for the little guy, but if you look at the playing field the economy boomed and unemployment is down to record levels for minorities. I get your point but this is a terrible example. For one, you are discounting the historic economic growth under Obama, which you know will has a lingering effect. And while people like me believe the tax cuts amount to throwing jet fuel on the already rising economy, we also think they do very little to help the average Joe (aka we don't buy the trickle down effect which has been debunked over and over). So while I do not believe the cuts are necessarily damaging from a GDP perspective, I think they are awful for the wealth gap and we honestly did not need to give a bigger break to corporations and millionaires. I think you are confusing people's ability to think analytically and look at history as a guidepost with what is flashing on the headlines. You need to think more deeply about this and be able to differentiate between these factors before passing judgement.

meanwhile back in reality wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

So much to cover, and so little time. I will try to do this without going back to first principles, but it will be more chaotic that way.

The most helpful thing you need to know right off the bat is how to look at the political landscape, the people in it, how they behave and why. This is how to do that:

Politics is a team sport.

So you should look at the political parties as teams on a playing field, with people as hard core fans cheering for their team, ignoring fouls by their own guys while thinking that every foul by the other team is a crime against humanity. The way you win the game is by convincing fans from the other side to come over to your side of the stands.

The MSM/Academia/Harveywood are the cheer leaders for the Democrat/liberal team and it's their job to make sure that liberal fans don't see fouls committed by Democrats, while doing everything they can to make it look like the Republican/conservative team are cheating every step of the way.

The result of the MSM cheer leading is wall of misinformation, lies, innuendo, smears, and obfuscation that creates an alternate reality I call the Liberal Media Rat Maze, where liberals who don't actively try to pay attention to what's happening on the field end up believing the MSM cheers (their own side's propaganda) which has very little to do with what's happening in the real world. This is what it means to get stuck in the Liberal Media Rat Maze.

Getting out is simple, but almost impossible at the same time. All you have to do is stop listening to the cheers, and see what's happening on the field. For example, Dems/liberals portrayed Trump's tax cuts as a disaster for the country and a mega disaster for the little guy, but if you look at the playing field the economy boomed and unemployment is down to record levels for minorities. The Rat Maze is an illusion. See reality, and you're out!

That sounds easy to do, but it aint easy to admit the Packers are a good team if you're a Bears fan, so loyalty plays into it. Maybe you see the tax cuts working, but you know, you just KNOW the other team is still full of evil cheating bastords. You will sit on your side of the stands for a looong time and it will take a whole lot of reality to get you out of that seat and over to the other side to join people you've hated for 20 years.

Did that help? I'll throw some first principles at you next. You really can't move forward without them.

Wrong. Politicians are real people who wield real power. This ain't no game.

On the subject of the media I'd be interested to hear you thoughts in this infographic:-

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ea4d4bc874c9070b1bbde729d445c984-c

Or is this part of the liberal, left-wing, MSM conspiracy too?

meanwhile back in reality wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

So much to cover, and so little time. I will try to do this without going back to first principles, but it will be more chaotic that way.

The most helpful thing you need to know right off the bat is how to look at the political landscape, the people in it, how they behave and why. This is how to do that:

Politics is a team sport.

So you should look at the political parties as teams on a playing field, with people as hard core fans cheering for their team, ignoring fouls by their own guys while thinking that every foul by the other team is a crime against humanity. The way you win the game is by convincing fans from the other side to come over to your side of the stands.

The MSM/Academia/Harveywood are the cheer leaders for the Democrat/liberal team and it's their job to make sure that liberal fans don't see fouls committed by Democrats, while doing everything they can to make it look like the Republican/conservative team are cheating every step of the way.

The result of the MSM cheer leading is wall of misinformation, lies, innuendo, smears, and obfuscation that creates an alternate reality I call the Liberal Media Rat Maze, where liberals who don't actively try to pay attention to what's happening on the field end up believing the MSM cheers (their own side's propaganda) which has very little to do with what's happening in the real world. This is what it means to get stuck in the Liberal Media Rat Maze.

Getting out is simple, but almost impossible at the same time. All you have to do is stop listening to the cheers, and see what's happening on the field. For example, Dems/liberals portrayed Trump's tax cuts as a disaster for the country and a mega disaster for the little guy, but if you look at the playing field the economy boomed and unemployment is down to record levels for minorities. The Rat Maze is an illusion. See reality, and you're out!

That sounds easy to do, but it aint easy to admit the Packers are a good team if you're a Bears fan, so loyalty plays into it. Maybe you see the tax cuts working, but you know, you just KNOW the other team is still full of evil cheating bastords. You will sit on your side of the stands for a looong time and it will take a whole lot of reality to get you out of that seat and over to the other side to join people you've hated for 20 years.

Did that help? I'll throw some first principles at you next. You really can't move forward without them.

Wrong. Politicians are real people who wield real power. This ain't no game.

On the subject of the media I'd be interested to hear you thoughts in this infographic:-

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ea4d4bc874c9070b1bbde729d445c984-c

Or is this part of the liberal, left-wing, MSM conspiracy too?