Your arguments assume that other countries dope as prolifically in running as do the Africans. As usual with you, that is "completely lacking any basis in scientific and observed reality".
What you fail to grasp is that athletes know what works -- athletes are not idiots, and doping prevelance estimates from experts are as high as 80%, and that athletes are light years ahead of the testers. You are just a doping denier.
The original mythical claim was "doping is what is creating the separation and the alleged talent gap".
What you are suggesting is my "arguments" have exactly the same baseless foundation -- therefore tacitly conceding that they are equally valid.
As usual, when given the opportunity to provide any basis in scientific or observed reality, you spectacularly failed to provide one, leaving my "arguments" completely uncontested.
It isn't really necessary to contest your arguments - you fail to make them and you shoot yourself in the foot. You have just said above that "athletes know what works - they are not idiots" and yet you have repeatedly maintained there is no evidence that doping improves performance, that it is only "faith" or "belief" on the part of those athletes that it does. Which means they must be idiots after all. As a doping-denier troll you aren't even a very good one.
Just because someone is successful doesn’t mean they cheated or stole. You really think there’s some hush hush conspiracy where every good track athlete is told, “ok, this is how you dope and get away with it and we all do it” and literally no one has said no and blown the whistle? It’s insane.
You are completely unaware of the IAAF athlete surveys that show up to one in two championship athletes are doping. But all your arguments are based in what you wish to be true, not what you know about doping. Which is very little.
If that were true, why all the doping cases and why was Kenya almost banned. I thought they did not need doping? LOLLL. Sorry but no one is buying it. Its over. "But you see, sure there is a ton of documented doping cases in Kenya and it was thisclose to being banned, and sure the culture does not repudiate doping, and sure the govt and antidoping agencies are ineffectual, but the endemic doping has produced really fast times so the tribal groups where the doping culture is centered must have magical running powers". Idiocy.
Jamaica has a population of 2.3 million yet has produced a steady stream of wr holders in sprinting. There are people of West African descent in numerous countries, and larger populations. Yet one country seems to dominate out of proportion to it size. Sound familar? It should, unless you are going to be obtuse.
What you fail to grasp is that athletes know what works -- athletes are not idiots, and doping prevelance estimates from experts are as high as 80%, and that athletes are light years ahead of the testers. You are just a doping denier.
The original mythical claim was "doping is what is creating the separation and the alleged talent gap".
What you are suggesting is my "arguments" have exactly the same baseless foundation -- therefore tacitly conceding that they are equally valid.
As usual, when given the opportunity to provide any basis in scientific or observed reality, you spectacularly failed to provide one, leaving my "arguments" completely uncontested.
It isn't really necessary to contest your arguments - you fail to make them and you shoot yourself in the foot. You have just said above that "athletes know what works - they are not idiots" and yet you have repeatedly maintained there is no evidence that doping improves performance, that it is only "faith" or "belief" on the part of those athletes that it does. Which means they must be idiots after all. As a doping-denier troll you aren't even a very good one.
Whooosh -- that went way over your head.
I guess I'll have to dumb it down for you since you permanently "fail to grasp" the contradiction that comes from your own mouth. One side of your mouth has been preaching for years that athletes from all nations in all sports and all events dope, and always have, because they have knowledge I don't, while the other side just said I have no basis in reality for my alleged assumption that "other countries dope as prolifically in running as do the Africans".
Of course, you are wrong on pretty much all counts, because you don't have any true understanding of any of these topics, despite your self-confidence. I don't need non-African doping to be "as prolific" as Africans, to point out the fact that there is no "separation and alleged talent gap" between non-Africans of the 1980s, and at any point thereafter. Suggesting there is no evidence only attempts to provide an alternate explanation (also without basis) why you think I am right in my observation. And I do have reality based evidence on both blood doping prevelance by country, by Australian "experts", and in annually WADA reported doping busts.
And it is all beside the main point. Despite two opportunities to do so, you have provided no basis in reality for "doping is what is creating the separation and the alleged talent gap". This only reinforces my observation because you are intellectually powerless to do otherwise.
If that were true, why all the doping cases and why was Kenya almost banned. I thought they did not need doping? LOLLL. Sorry but no one is buying it. Its over. "But you see, sure there is a ton of documented doping cases in Kenya and it was thisclose to being banned, and sure the culture does not repudiate doping, and sure the govt and antidoping agencies are ineffectual, but the endemic doping has produced really fast times so the tribal groups where the doping culture is centered must have magical running powers". Idiocy.
So what? Americans don't dope?
Dopers dope because dopes like you told them to dope. Then you pretend to be morally superior when they fail a dope test.
Just because someone is successful doesn’t mean they cheated or stole. You really think there’s some hush hush conspiracy where every good track athlete is told, “ok, this is how you dope and get away with it and we all do it” and literally no one has said no and blown the whistle? It’s insane.
You are completely unaware of the IAAF athlete surveys that show up to one in two championship athletes are doping. But all your arguments are based in what you wish to be true, not what you know about doping. Which is very little.
Why would I be unaware of the IAAF surveys that estimated anti-doping rule breaking by about one third of athletes at the 2011 World Championships?
Are you aware how many of those respondents were in the testing pool at the time? Or how many of them were from Russia and other nations with documented histories of organized doping?
If that were true, why all the doping cases and why was Kenya almost banned. I thought they did not need doping? LOLLL. Sorry but no one is buying it. Its over. "But you see, sure there is a ton of documented doping cases in Kenya and it was thisclose to being banned, and sure the culture does not repudiate doping, and sure the govt and antidoping agencies are ineffectual, but the endemic doping has produced really fast times so the tribal groups where the doping culture is centered must have magical running powers". Idiocy.
Why is this an either or situation for you? Flojo and Ben Johnson were talented. And they also cheated. Or do you disagree and think that they wouldn’t have broken 12 seconds for 100m without drugs?
The conditions in those parts of the world have clearly led to some groups of people from there being more likely to be good at running than people from other parts of the world. You not understanding that is like someone saying that the reason that greyhounds are faster than St. Bernards is because all the greyhounds are on drugs.
Jamaica has a population of 2.3 million yet has produced a steady stream of wr holders in sprinting. There are people of West African descent in numerous countries, and larger populations. Yet one country seems to dominate out of proportion to it size. Sound familar? It should, unless you are going to be obtuse.
How are they dominating? Do you know the last Jamaican man not named Bolt who won an individual medal at a flat sprint race at an Olympics or world championships?
Warren Weir in 2013.
Jamaica has the three fastest women ever right now but how much depth beyond that? They didn’t win either relay in Eugene.
You are completely unaware of the IAAF athlete surveys that show up to one in two championship athletes are doping. But all your arguments are based in what you wish to be true, not what you know about doping. Which is very little.
Why would I be unaware of the IAAF surveys that estimated anti-doping rule breaking by about one third of athletes at the 2011 World Championships?
Maybe more like one fifth, according to another estimate from the same event:
BackgroundHigh levels of admitted doping use (43.6% and 57.1%) were reported for two international sport events in 2011. Because these are frequently referenced in evaluating aspects of anti-doping, having high level of confi...
Jamaica has a population of 2.3 million yet has produced a steady stream of wr holders in sprinting. There are people of West African descent in numerous countries, and larger populations. Yet one country seems to dominate out of proportion to it size. Sound familar? It should, unless you are going to be obtuse.
3 million Coevett, not 2.3.
Do you think Jamaicans have some "sprint gene" or not? Is doping the only explanation for their success or just one of many?
It isn't really necessary to contest your arguments - you fail to make them and you shoot yourself in the foot. You have just said above that "athletes know what works - they are not idiots" and yet you have repeatedly maintained there is no evidence that doping improves performance, that it is only "faith" or "belief" on the part of those athletes that it does. Which means they must be idiots after all. As a doping-denier troll you aren't even a very good one.
Whooosh -- that went way over your head.
I guess I'll have to dumb it down for you since you permanently "fail to grasp" the contradiction that comes from your own mouth. One side of your mouth has been preaching for years that athletes from all nations in all sports and all events dope, and always have, because they have knowledge I don't, while the other side just said I have no basis in reality for my alleged assumption that "other countries dope as prolifically in running as do the Africans".
Of course, you are wrong on pretty much all counts, because you don't have any true understanding of any of these topics, despite your self-confidence. I don't need non-African doping to be "as prolific" as Africans, to point out the fact that there is no "separation and alleged talent gap" between non-Africans of the 1980s, and at any point thereafter. Suggesting there is no evidence only attempts to provide an alternate explanation (also without basis) why you think I am right in my observation. And I do have reality based evidence on both blood doping prevelance by country, by Australian "experts", and in annually WADA reported doping busts.
And it is all beside the main point. Despite two opportunities to do so, you have provided no basis in reality for "doping is what is creating the separation and the alleged talent gap". This only reinforces my observation because you are intellectually powerless to do otherwise.
That doping is everywhere does not mean that it is in the same proportions everywhere. You blather on for paragraphs, as you usually do, only to demonstrate yet again that you cannot grasp the simplest of points.
Surely you won't accept that 20% are doping? Usually, with you, it's the 1-2% who are caught. But there are other estimates based on this survey that suggest it is closer to 1 in 2 athletes.
If that were true, why all the doping cases and why was Kenya almost banned. I thought they did not need doping? LOLLL. Sorry but no one is buying it. Its over. "But you see, sure there is a ton of documented doping cases in Kenya and it was thisclose to being banned, and sure the culture does not repudiate doping, and sure the govt and antidoping agencies are ineffectual, but the endemic doping has produced really fast times so the tribal groups where the doping culture is centered must have magical running powers". Idiocy.
Why is this an either or situation for you? Flojo and Ben Johnson were talented. And they also cheated. Or do you disagree and think that they wouldn’t have broken 12 seconds for 100m without drugs?
The conditions in those parts of the world have clearly led to some groups of people from there being more likely to be good at running than people from other parts of the world. You not understanding that is like someone saying that the reason that greyhounds are faster than St. Bernards is because all the greyhounds are on drugs.
The greyhounds that are faster than the other greyhounds, so to speak, are on drugs. (Indeed - that is often horse-racing). You can always be relied upon for the weakest of arguments.
You are completely unaware of the IAAF athlete surveys that show up to one in two championship athletes are doping. But all your arguments are based in what you wish to be true, not what you know about doping. Which is very little.
Why would I be unaware of the IAAF surveys that estimated anti-doping rule breaking by about one third of athletes at the 2011 World Championships?
Are you aware how many of those respondents were in the testing pool at the time? Or how many of them were from Russia and other nations with documented histories of organized doping?
Fortunately we are also getting a documented history of Kenyan doping, which is now second only to Russia for busts. The estimates of doping from the IAAF surveys have suggested it is higher than a third. Closer to 1 in 2. But even the most conservative estimate shows championship sport could not exist without widespread doping.
Why is this an either or situation for you? Flojo and Ben Johnson were talented. And they also cheated. Or do you disagree and think that they wouldn’t have broken 12 seconds for 100m without drugs?
The conditions in those parts of the world have clearly led to some groups of people from there being more likely to be good at running than people from other parts of the world. You not understanding that is like someone saying that the reason that greyhounds are faster than St. Bernards is because all the greyhounds are on drugs.
The greyhounds that are faster than the other greyhounds, so to speak, are on drugs. (Indeed - that is often horse-racing). You can always be relied upon for the weakest of arguments.
So, is the reason that the greyhounds are faster than the St. Bernards drugs? Yes or no.
That doping is everywhere does not mean that it is in the same proportions everywhere. You blather on for paragraphs, as you usually do, only to demonstrate yet again that you cannot grasp the simplest of points.
Fortunately we are also getting a documented history of Kenyan doping, which is now second only to Russia for busts. The estimates of doping from the IAAF surveys have suggested it is higher than a third. Closer to 1 in 2. But even the most conservative estimate shows championship sport could not exist without widespread doping.
According to some reports, it is third to Russia and India for number of bans.
Surely you won't accept that 20% are doping? Usually, with you, it's the 1-2% who are caught. But there are other estimates based on this survey that suggest it is closer to 1 in 2 athletes.
Rather than blind acceptance, I recommend critical appraisal based on a deep understanding of the limitations anonymous survey methods.
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