No, that isn't my "logic". The shoes may have contributed to performance increases but so could other factors, chiefly of which is doping that isn't being detected. It is nonetheless present, as Howman has said.
Ok, so everyone is doping now. Got it. That is your “chief” reason. Nobody before 2021 was doping. Only now they are, right?
No, that isn't what I'm saying. But you are wanting to reduce every issue to Janet and John simplicity.
One of the arguments I would make is that the recent surge in performances being attributed to the shoes has been more observable in some countries than in others. Antidoping has reduced the dominance of Kenya in the sport. Many of their athletes are being busted. Their athletes have access to the same shoes as Americans (or Italians) do and yet we see the greatest comparative improvements are being made in American running. The US is starting to mirror what the Kenyans used to show and are now catching up and surpassing them in track at least. They are looking very much like the "Kenyans" of today. Yet Kenyans and Americans all have access to the same shoes, tracks and training knowledge. I would add, drugs. When Howman says dopers are getting away with it he doesn't need to single out the US.
Yea are truly a delusional human being. Please seek help. Kenyans as far as im aware are still performing at the same level in diamond league, etc. But this doesnt have to do with the Kenyans dude, we presented you statistical FACTS about the NCAA, not KENYA. So can you PLEASE observe the statistics and accept the FACTS which are times have substantially INCREASED since 2021 across all events, divisions, and rankings in not just the united states but the WORLD.
No, that isn't my "logic". The shoes may have contributed to performance increases but so could other factors, chiefly of which is doping that isn't being detected. It is nonetheless present, as Howman has said.
No, that is exactly what you're saying.
Did you look at the statistical data I provided about division 3 times since 2003? How on earth can you possibly correlate ALL of those stats, male and female, sprints to distance… with doping? You are suggesting that super spikes are not the cause, but rather other factors, like doping? You are suggesting that all those performances are caused by dopers?
What kind of planet are you even on?
That isn't "exactly what I'm saying". But factual claims about the effects of the shoes cannot be made if they exclude factors like the increased presence of doping.
One of the arguments I would make is that the recent surge in performances being attributed to the shoes has been more observable in some countries than in others. Antidoping has reduced the dominance of Kenya in the sport. Many of their athletes are being busted. Their athletes have access to the same shoes as Americans (or Italians) do and yet we see the greatest comparative improvements are being made in American running. The US is starting to mirror what the Kenyans used to show and are now catching up and surpassing them in track at least. They are looking very much like the "Kenyans" of today. Yet Kenyans and Americans all have access to the same shoes, tracks and training knowledge. I would add, drugs. When Howman says dopers are getting away with it he doesn't need to single out the US.
Yea are truly a delusional human being. Please seek help. Kenyans as far as im aware are still performing at the same level in diamond league, etc. But this doesnt have to do with the Kenyans dude, we presented you statistical FACTS about the NCAA, not KENYA. So can you PLEASE observe the statistics and accept the FACTS which are times have substantially INCREASED since 2021 across all events, divisions, and rankings in not just the united states but the WORLD.
Sorry, I'm not interested in discussion with someone who splutters as you do.
Yea are truly a delusional human being. Please seek help. Kenyans as far as im aware are still performing at the same level in diamond league, etc. But this doesnt have to do with the Kenyans dude, we presented you statistical FACTS about the NCAA, not KENYA. So can you PLEASE observe the statistics and accept the FACTS which are times have substantially INCREASED since 2021 across all events, divisions, and rankings in not just the united states but the WORLD.
Sorry, I'm not interested in discussion with someone who splutters as you do.
The only one who is spluttering is you. You presented 0 facts or statistics. I provided all of the statistics and yet you refuse to acknowledge the truth which super spikes are the primary reason for massive increases in times since 2021. It is NOT rocket science. Please seek help
And last I checked, the NCAA and the US hosts athletes from all over the globe. So youre crazy delusional argument doesnt hold any water at all.
When it comes to "crazy delusional arguments" are you going to accept that EL G, Lagat and Ngeny (and Kiprop) are 3:21-22 runners in the new shoes? (Or 3:38-39 milers?)
Sorry, I'm not interested in discussion with someone who splutters as you do.
The only one who is spluttering is you. You presented 0 facts or statistics. I provided all of the statistics and yet you refuse to acknowledge the truth which super spikes are the primary reason for massive increases in times since 2021. It is NOT rocket science. Please seek help
You have a baseless assumption that everyone is doping and thats the reason for the time increases. Where are your statistics?
The only one who is spluttering is you. You presented 0 facts or statistics. I provided all of the statistics and yet you refuse to acknowledge the truth which super spikes are the primary reason for massive increases in times since 2021. It is NOT rocket science. Please seek help
You have a baseless assumption that everyone is doping and thats the reason for the time increases. Where are your statistics?
Sorry, I'm not interested in discussion with someone who splutters as you do.
The only one who is spluttering is you. You presented 0 facts or statistics. I provided all of the statistics and yet you refuse to acknowledge the truth which super spikes are the primary reason for massive increases in times since 2021. It is NOT rocket science. Please seek help
You find it very difficult to cope with views you don't share.
And last I checked, the NCAA and the US hosts athletes from all over the globe. So youre crazy delusional argument doesnt hold any water at all.
When it comes to "crazy delusional arguments" are you going to accept that EL G, Lagat and Ngeny (and Kiprop) are 3:21-22 runners in the new shoes? (Or 3:38-39 milers?)
Yeah absolutely, because they ran during the 90s aka the doping era and combined with super spikes they would be even faster. Its not rocket science.
The only one who is spluttering is you. You presented 0 facts or statistics. I provided all of the statistics and yet you refuse to acknowledge the truth which super spikes are the primary reason for massive increases in times since 2021. It is NOT rocket science. Please seek help
You find it very difficult to cope with views you don't share.
Actually the viewpoint I have about El g ad Ngeny, is exactly the same argument youre making that their times would be substantially faster given they were doping and wearing super spikes… except youre completely backwards in thought process assuming that everyone in the NCAA today is doping and those athletes werent… like what?
When it comes to "crazy delusional arguments" are you going to accept that EL G, Lagat and Ngeny (and Kiprop) are 3:21-22 runners in the new shoes? (Or 3:38-39 milers?)
Yeah absolutely, because they ran during the 90s aka the doping era and combined with super spikes they would be even faster. Its not rocket science.
I thought that's exactly what the shoes are. They aren't just "footwear" anymore.
So they were all 3:21 runners. I needed a good belly laugh today.
A: Obviously ridiculous looking super spikes that everyone is wearing does not have a marginal effect on performances
B: Everyone is doping
No, that isn't my "logic". The shoes may have contributed to performance increases but so could other factors, chiefly of which is doping that isn't being detected. It is nonetheless present, as Howman has said.
Yes you did. You said it right here. It is “chiefly of which is doping that isnt detected”
The only one who is spluttering is you. You presented 0 facts or statistics. I provided all of the statistics and yet you refuse to acknowledge the truth which super spikes are the primary reason for massive increases in times since 2021. It is NOT rocket science. Please seek help
You find it very difficult to cope with views you don't share.
No, idiot, that is you. He brought facts to the discussion, you bring your uneducated drivel.