I guarantee you a runner running 3:54 today will run faster than 3:59 in victories or some other old spike. You're acting like people haven't been getting faster the past 15 years BEFORE the new spikes. When the 2009 NCAA indoor season started the NCAA RECORD was 3:57, then German Fernandez ran 3:55 and that was a big deal. Flash forward to the 2019 a decade later still before 'super spikes' and 10 guys ran 3:57 or faster in the same season (what was the record barely a decade before) and the new record keeps getting lowered. Then in 2020 still before super spikes there were 14 guys at 3:57 or faster. The depth had been getting deeper and deeper for a long time, yet you are attributing all of the improvements to new shoes and ignoring the fact that the times had been dropping long before the shoes? A 3:59 in 2010 is what a 3:57 in 2020 was which is a 3:55 of today, and will be a 3:53 of 2032. Times will keep dropping with or without any new shoes being made. The top end will barely get faster, but the numbers of people at some arbitrary threshold will skyrocket as we approach the maximum speed that humans can go.
Just look at the stats from 2022-2026, to 2012-2016, to 2002-2006, to 1992-1996.
The last 4 years have been remarkable in comparison to other decades all together. You couldnt even combine all of the previous decades into a single list that equals todays lists.
Remarkably so, 2022-2026, thats when carbon plated shoes came along.
Yea, it was easy. Just look at the indoor lists and compare. Todays kids arent magically superior human beings. Talented sure, but there was talent throughout history.
Girls and boys; we the people of Letsrun can choose TODAY to aggregate data on whether or not super shoes confer more than 1-2 seconds to running times.
Acquire self-quantification equipment - chest HR monitor, woop band, a watch, a pen and notepad. The better methodologies and equipment, the better.
take videos. Record breathing assessments, RPE, etc.
It is in our hands. We have 800 guys, 400 guys, decathletes, road runners, long D guys, mid D guys, collegiate competitors, old joggers, and everyone in between. Let's GO!
a 3:56 mile was considered extremely elite, top of the NCAA, could even get you into professional races. Now its the winner of the non invitational heats at bu?
I guarantee you a runner running 3:54 today will run faster than 3:59 in victories or some other old spike. You're acting like people haven't been getting faster the past 15 years BEFORE the new spikes. When the 2009 NCAA indoor season started the NCAA RECORD was 3:57, then German Fernandez ran 3:55 and that was a big deal. Flash forward to the 2019 a decade later still before 'super spikes' and 10 guys ran 3:57 or faster in the same season (what was the record barely a decade before) and the new record keeps getting lowered. Then in 2020 still before super spikes there were 14 guys at 3:57 or faster. The depth had been getting deeper and deeper for a long time, yet you are attributing all of the improvements to new shoes and ignoring the fact that the times had been dropping long before the shoes? A 3:59 in 2010 is what a 3:57 in 2020 was which is a 3:55 of today, and will be a 3:53 of 2032. Times will keep dropping with or without any new shoes being made. The top end will barely get faster, but the numbers of people at some arbitrary threshold will skyrocket as we approach the maximum speed that humans can go.
Right before super spikes there’d be about two or three dozen NCAA D1 athletes breaking 4 indoors. Immediately after it was close to 100 each year.
Yea, it was easy. Just look at the indoor lists and compare. Todays kids arent magically superior human beings. Talented sure, but there was talent throughout history.
you want me to graph it for you so its easier?
Well I’d like if you performed an actual statistical test, rather than just eyeballing stats. Correlation doesn’t equal causation and I think everybody knows. Try a T test.
My dudes. I'm 33. I hadn't run an 800 in 12 years. Put on the New Balance LD-Xs and dropped 1:56.99. You are telling me my washed up @$$ would have challenged my sophomore college self? NO WAY. Spikes are worth 1-2 seconds PER LAP and it's not even a debate.
Yea, it was easy. Just look at the indoor lists and compare. Todays kids arent magically superior human beings. Talented sure, but there was talent throughout history.
you want me to graph it for you so its easier?
Well I’d like if you performed an actual statistical test, rather than just eyeballing stats. Correlation doesn’t equal causation and I think everybody knows. Try a T test.
This guys logic - A Tesla isn't faster than a Model T, because nobody performed a statistical test, you can't just eyeball it.