I’m a Jakob fan, so I hope he manages to find a solution so the scenario above doesn’t materialises as a definite thing. But judging pros and cons when it comes to indications (Jakob’s many 5000m wins where the other medalists have “bad” pb’s, up against his long races where he seems to be worse the longer the distance) I for now would guess that a 5000m WR is out of reach, and that he also risks losing against guys like Gebrhiwet (in peak shape/healthy)…
Do you really think that Jakob will lose again from Gebrhiwet in 5000m?
Do you really think that Jakob will lose again from Gebrhiwet in 5000m?
My hope is that Jakob beats the 5000m WR, and also a peak Gebrhiwet man to man. Can he? I don’t know -both look like formidable tasks, but I would guess Jakob is the number one guy to do it. So I’m curious to see if he gets his training right here -both for the 1500 and 5000m..!
Do you really think that Jakob will lose again from Gebrhiwet in 5000m?
My hope is that Jakob beats the 5000m WR, and also a peak Gebrhiwet man to man. Can he? I don’t know -both look like formidable tasks, but I would guess Jakob is the number one guy to do it. So I’m curious to see if he gets his training right here -both for the 1500 and 5000m..!
Gebrhiwet had the lead at the bell of the last two global 5000m finals and lost badly to not only Jakob but also the rest of the field. He is a time trialer who cannot win big races (similar to Kejelcha). They’ll run 12:36-40 in June / July each year and then get dusted by the kickers in global championships (until the day they truly team up and force a 12:40 race, which we have yet to see happen)
What most posters on this thread don't get is that nothing they say about Ingebrigtsen makes him faster than what he has so far run over the 5k, or makes him a competitive 10k runner - or longer. He may be, but until it is achieved it remains conjecture and cannot be accepted as fact until he demonstrates what some believe he is capable of in the distance events. I happen to think he is an md runner and the distance events are not his strength. With what he has so far achieved it is a tenable view.
What most posters on this thread don't get is that nothing they say about Ingebrigtsen makes him faster than what he has so far run over the 5k, or makes him a competitive 10k runner - or longer. He may be, but until it is achieved it remains conjecture and cannot be accepted as fact until he demonstrates what some believe he is capable of in the distance events. I happen to think he is an md runner and the distance events are not his strength. With what he has so far achieved it is a tenable view.
Why do you even enter these discussions when all you're doing is making it obvious that you don't even follow the sport? You're saying Cheptegei has multiple global 5k golds when he has a single global gold and that he doesn't "keep losing to other runners" when he lost at Rio, lost at Eugene and didn't bother to show up at Paris? He doesn't even have a global silver or bronze medal in the 5k.
Is Van Niekerk still the best 400m runner because he has the world record when he hasn't finished on the podium globally since 2017?
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What most posters on this thread don't get is that nothing they say about Ingebrigtsen makes him faster than what he has so far run over the 5k, or makes him a competitive 10k runner - or longer. He may be, but until it is achieved it remains conjecture and cannot be accepted as fact until he demonstrates what some believe he is capable of in the distance events. I happen to think he is an md runner and the distance events are not his strength. With what he has so far achieved it is a tenable view.
What a laughable comment.
Who ever has said Ingebrigtsen is the 5000m WR holder? Or he is the 10000m Olympic champ? Some have stated they think he can achieve this or that or something else.
You on the other hand have staded it's unrealistic that he ever will get the 5000m WR (not: you don't believe he will get the record but: it's UNREALISTIC). For sure it's not unrealistic that the by far fastest in history over the two closest distances who never has had a race for a fast time in the last three seasons but has won any big title available for him in this period get's the WR. I'm still sceptical that he will get the record, but it's not unrealistic (something like 30%? more?).
The main reason you gave again and again why you believe he will not get the record: "12:48". Dozens of time (never just a single word to the fact that he hasn't tried to run fast).
What most posters on this thread don't get is that nothing they say about Ingebrigtsen makes him faster than what he has so far run over the 5k, or makes him a competitive 10k runner - or longer. He may be, but until it is achieved it remains conjecture and cannot be accepted as fact until he demonstrates what some believe he is capable of in the distance events. I happen to think he is an md runner and the distance events are not his strength. With what he has so far achieved it is a tenable view.
Why do you even enter these discussions when all you're doing is making it obvious that you don't even follow the sport? You're saying Cheptegei has multiple global 5k golds when he has a single global gold and that he doesn't "keep losing to other runners" when he lost at Rio, lost at Eugene and didn't bother to show up at Paris? He doesn't even have a global silver or bronze medal in the 5k.
Is Van Niekerk still the best 400m runner because he has the world record when he hasn't finished on the podium globally since 2017?
I'm not measuring Cheptegei against Ingebrigtsen solely on championship medals - although his 10k gold was more impressive than Ingebrigtsen's 5k gold. In the 5k Cheptegei's record is the length of the straight ahead of Ingebrigtsen's best. In this sport, times matter. In equivalent terms, Ingebrigtsen is a 3:30ish 1500 runner who has won a couple of slow tactical finals being compared with a runner who has run 3:26. That gap needs to be bridged before they can be at least considered equals in that event.
What most posters on this thread don't get is that nothing they say about Ingebrigtsen makes him faster than what he has so far run over the 5k, or makes him a competitive 10k runner - or longer. He may be, but until it is achieved it remains conjecture and cannot be accepted as fact until he demonstrates what some believe he is capable of in the distance events. I happen to think he is an md runner and the distance events are not his strength. With what he has so far achieved it is a tenable view.
What a laughable comment.
Who ever has said Ingebrigtsen is the 5000m WR holder? Or he is the 10000m Olympic champ? Some have stated they think he can achieve this or that or something else.
You on the other hand have staded it's unrealistic that he ever will get the 5000m WR (not: you don't believe he will get the record but: it's UNREALISTIC). For sure it's not unrealistic that the by far fastest in history over the two closest distances who never has had a race for a fast time in the last three seasons but has won any big title available for him in this period get's the WR. I'm still sceptical that he will get the record, but it's not unrealistic (something like 30%? more?).
The main reason you gave again and again why you believe he will not get the record: "12:48". Dozens of time (never just a single word to the fact that he hasn't tried to run fast).
Just laughable.
This thread is about Ingebrigtsen's potential over the longer distances, like the 10k. If he isn't to be more successful over those distances than in the shorter distances then what is the point? If it doesn't mean beating the very best over those distances and setting the world marks it is a meaningless claim. He should focus on distance events so he should lose and even embarrass himself, as he did in the HM? As I have made clear, nothing he has done so far suggests he will excel at the distance events. That also doesn't mean lowering his 5k pr (which he may do, but so what) but beating the wr.
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As I have made clear, nothing he has done so far suggests he will excel at the distance events.
Nothing:
2x world champion 5000
1x olympic champion 5000
3x european champion 5000
3x european senior cross country champion
4x european junior cross country champion
NR 10km - ahead of very strong marathon, 10.000 and HM runners.
So if this is nothing, I think your definition of 'excel' is top 3-5 all time in the distance events?
- He has won an Olympic title in the 5k and a WC title, which is in his favour, but in terms of times there are many runners still ahead of him and he is not in sight of the wr. Even if he had not attempted the world mark we could have expected better than 12:48 some time in the last 3 years if he is to show he has the ability to be ranked amongst the best over the distance.
- In the 10k he has yet to compete on the track, as fast as I am aware. His best time - on the roads - is over a minute 15 slower than the wr on the track. He hasn't shown he could compete with the world's best over the distance.
- The HM - well, what more needs be said about that.
- European cross country means nothing at a global level.
- Against that he has shown he excels at every distance from the 1500 to 2 mile. That says everything about where his true abilities lie.
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