As I've spelled out many times, that's where you live. I've seen it so many times from the pathetic types on one forum after another. They had heroes of their youth and assumed those would always be the legendary names, and that nobody could surpass their feats. Not by much, anyway.
Once it began to happen the only desperate recourse was blanket denial. This can't be real. None of it is real. Then the Lance Armstrong situation showed up as a savior deflection, to be laughably summoned again and again and mindlessly again. Every thread. Every page.
No kidding you despise the term outlier because you base the entirety of your rants on the ultimate outlier.
Day to day buffoon status
Congratulations
The main point is that they weren't doping like today's athletes. That's why the times are so different today. That is why Ryun couldn't imagine an athlete significantly slower than him over 800 would be way way faster over his best distance - and longer. He couldn't imagine what doping would do to the sport.
Yes on hindsight I only knew about this now, dear darling!!!! Had you not told me that an athlete today slower than Ryun over 800m is way faster than him over 1500m and mile, I would never have seen that. I admit I'm not perfect when it comes to all the data and stats because I'm not really a data and stats guy per se, I'm an anthropogenic RF guy, and that's what I'm passionate about.
Is it? New super shoes, better track, better training, healthier lifestyle. Tech. pacers, light pace.
You really dont think this things combine can match up with the use off EPO? I dont understand people. How th*** can you be?
Stick around long enough and you'll see how thick. It's self-serving of course. How painful to be average in life without an excuse or a justification. Also, how can I get attention whilst still feeling legitimate is what I read with these unrelenting posts.
Most of the trouble in the world is caused by people wanting to be important. ~ T. S. Elliot.
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The thing is. Antidoping was non existant back in the days. the work on that level now is so good that its so much difficult to do it. Also, back then, so many did use EPO and therefor it was "okay". If Jakob was to test positive now. It would ruined his life!
I think there is not much doping out there. Why? Because nowdays everyone hates doping. 20-30 years ago it was just "another one".
And nothing suggest he has been doing it because he was a sensation from the bigginning. He was the best from the start. So there is no reason for him. And also. He competes by far the most off them. He would not have done that if he was not clean.
This is just from the haters.
So how does he run clean so much faster than the best then who was likely doping, as you say? He's so much better? If Jakob was on EPO he would run 7:07?
Yeah. Snell sucked too because he was never competitive in the Marathon. You obsessive idiot, ruin every thread with your inane, repetitive posts.
You didn't know that Snell was a miler, like Jakob? But was way faster over 800. And also trained like a marathon runner.
Ingebrigtsen has put two 1500's together faster than the one that Coe did in Moscow - or Walker in Montreal, and nearly as fast as Vasala and Keino in Munich. Yet he is slower by far than all of them over 800. Nothing to see here, folks.
Dear darling, I notice your incredulity here and I'm willing to pay attention to it!!!! Personally though, I prefer to take a more cautious approach for Jakob because he is a endurance guy and his Daddy Gjert was clean as a whistle based on my subjective assessment. I find it possible that Jakob puts together 2 1500s faster than the milers of old.
Keep repeating that to see if you can take the edge off your misery. 7:17.55, read and weep.
Ingebrigtsen is no faster than a good school boy over the 800. That makes him comparably the slowest 1500/3k champion/record-holder in the history of the sport.
To be Olympic CHAMPION and 2 times World CHAMPION doesn't make him a 5k CHAMPION to you?
I’m thinking Aregawi is going to break the 5000 wr in a few weeks or early next season. I don’t think 3000 is his best distance and 7:21 was super impressive
maybe, but he won't have a pacer like Jakob for the 5000. unless a Yomif or Hagos are on their game.
The thing is. Antidoping was non existant back in the days. the work on that level now is so good that its so much difficult to do it. Also, back then, so many did use EPO and therefor it was "okay". If Jakob was to test positive now. It would ruined his life!
I think there is not much doping out there. Why? Because nowdays everyone hates doping. 20-30 years ago it was just "another one".
And nothing suggest he has been doing it because he was a sensation from the bigginning. He was the best from the start. So there is no reason for him. And also. He competes by far the most off them. He would not have done that if he was not clean.
This is just from the haters.
So how does he run clean so much faster than the best then who was likely doping, as you say? He's so much better? If Jakob was on EPO he would run 7:07?
He is a genetic freak, which is further proven by the fact that two of his brothers are also 1500m champions. Endurance sports have never been "fair", the right genetics give a huge advantage. Sports that require skill, like football (=soccer) and tennis, are more fair, even though genetics obviously play a factor there as well.
The thing is. Antidoping was non existant back in the days. the work on that level now is so good that its so much difficult to do it. Also, back then, so many did use EPO and therefor it was "okay". If Jakob was to test positive now. It would ruined his life!
I think there is not much doping out there. Why? Because nowdays everyone hates doping. 20-30 years ago it was just "another one".
And nothing suggest he has been doing it because he was a sensation from the bigginning. He was the best from the start. So there is no reason for him. And also. He competes by far the most off them. He would not have done that if he was not clean.
This is just from the haters.
So how does he run clean so much faster than the best then who was likely doping, as you say? He's so much better? If Jakob was on EPO he would run 7:07?
Yes. Just better training over time, DT works. The Boy has been a prodigy all his life, every result since 11yo is extreme.
Is it? New super shoes, better track, better training, healthier lifestyle. Tech. pacers, light pace.
You really dont think this things combine can match up with the use off EPO? I dont understand people. How th*** can you be?
Healthier lifestyle? You don't know how austere that was for athletes like Elliott. Better training? So high mileage, with hill work on sand dunes and track work is nothing compared to what they do today (which I heard from the Fisher thread is actually to train less). Pacing has long been part of the sport - Bannister used it (and lights wouldn't have made him run faster).
But exponentially increasing an athlete's strength, speed, and stamina especially has long been part of the sport - and obviously never more so than today. Nothing else has made such a difference the sport - all sport. Athletes know that - which is why they dope.
Is it? New super shoes, better track, better training, healthier lifestyle. Tech. pacers, light pace.
You really dont think this things combine can match up with the use off EPO? I dont understand people. How th*** can you be?
Stick around long enough and you'll see how thick. It's self-serving of course. How painful to be average in life without an excuse or a justification. Also, how can I get attention whilst still feeling legitimate is what I read with these unrelenting posts.
Most of the trouble in the world is caused by people wanting to be important. ~ T. S. Elliot.
Does that include athletes who will do anything to succeed?
For 3000m only Morceli at 25 years of age broke the 3k WR in 1995, Komen was 20 in 1996, so even younger than 21-23 years age bracket.
For 800m 1500m 5000m 10000m, all the most recent WR holders at these respective events all made them before turning 24, which is Jakob's age dilemma right now!!!!!!!! I don't see any 24+ or 25 year old folks for these WR holders.
The younger the more likely the WR, that's the rule at the end of the day sir!!!! That's why Jakob is better poised to take the WR at 5000m in Brussels in September and not wait until next September to do so!!!
Best 3000m times:
Morceli 24/6mos
ElG 24/6mos
Kejelcha 26/1mos
Fisher 26/5mos
Geb 25/4mos
Aouita 29/9mos.
Ingebrigtsen is now 23/11mos. No doubt in my mind that he will be perfectly suited for a fast 5000m at 24 (approaching 25). Perfect age for that distance. Watch and see.
Nah got it wrong bruh!!!!! 3000m is not a contested Olympic distance so people don't usually take it seriously or run it often enough or trained too specifically for it.
You can't cross contaminated the ages for 3000m WRs and best times with those of the 5000m, 1500m and 10000m ones which are real olympic distances!!!!!
Also do remember that anthropogenic RF will push down the age for WR performances over space and time due to its proliferation across the eras with stronger doses of radiation. Human beings get weaker, including would be WR holders, and their age bracket for WRs becomes younger and not older. You would then know they must be doping if they could still run WRs or PBs way outside the age bracket, you feeling me right sir????
There seems to be a few of the distance greats setting WRs in their 25th year but that was of course a very long time ago which is still consistent with my RF theory. There was very little anthropogenic RF a very time ago so athletes were able to have enough health and energy to run a WR at 24/25 years of age, but not after 2000. As you can see for yourself, after the year 2000, all the distance greats set their WRs by 20 or 21 years old. Look at Kenenisa Bekele. Joshua Cheptegei is not a distance great and should not have beaten Bekele's records as he wore supershoes and had wavelights, so it's hard to give Cheptegei the honor here!!!!
Ingebrigtsen is no faster than a good school boy over the 800. That makes him comparably the slowest 1500/3k champion/record-holder in the history of the sport.
To be Olympic CHAMPION and 2 times World CHAMPION doesn't make him a 5k CHAMPION to you?
I wasn't discussing the 5k, since his latest record has come over 3k. But if you want to compare him with a 1500/5k runner he is way faster over El G over 3k - who was likely on EPO.
So how does he run clean so much faster than the best then who was likely doping, as you say? He's so much better? If Jakob was on EPO he would run 7:07?
He is a genetic freak, which is further proven by the fact that two of his brothers are also 1500m champions. Endurance sports have never been "fair", the right genetics give a huge advantage. Sports that require skill, like football (=soccer) and tennis, are more fair, even though genetics obviously play a factor there as well.
All dopers are "genetic freaks". So were Lance and Ben Johnson.
The technology is much better now. They can research everything down to the smallest detail. Just knowing how much nutrition they should have, how much they should exercise, how much recovery? Everything is different. When I was young, I just trained. I couldn't measure anything. Everything is obviously better today. To believe otherwise is just nonsense
So how does he run clean so much faster than the best then who was likely doping, as you say? He's so much better? If Jakob was on EPO he would run 7:07?
Yes. Just better training over time, DT works. The Boy has been a prodigy all his life, every result since 11yo is extreme.
Yet only a few weeks ago he loses an Olympic final to three other runners who had none of that background, despite running the race as fast as he could. He also has made a habit of losing WC 1500 finals in recent years, as well as DL races to Kerr. Being a child prodigy isn't what proves exceptional talent in adulthood, as none of those who beat over 1500 were age-group record holders. His main talent is his level of doping, which began years ago.
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The technology is much better now. They can research everything down to the smallest detail. Just knowing how much nutrition they should have, how much they should exercise, how much recovery? Everything is different. When I was young, I just trained. I couldn't measure anything. Everything is obviously better today. To believe otherwise is just nonsense
You have no idea how focussed past champions were on maintaining and building their health. But actually none of it is rocket science - except for doping. It is a simple sport.
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