Another run across America underway - is it legit? Boots currently on the ground

I was referring to you being an accomplished runner, not Will Goodge.

Badwater? Moab? Hurt100?

London to Brighton isn’t accomplished.

Credit where credits due on MDS.

If you have such a gripe with what Goodge is doing, go run with him. Do you not have a family or job that you could be spending your time on with rather than cooking up some crap. If he finishes and claims the world record, then interrogate his data. But in the meantime he’s raising hundreds of thousands for charity so get behind him.

Your obsession is bizarre.

I agree with all of these points but I wonder if the two videographers hired specifically to film him having beers could accomplish what I suggested. Willvlc might well be wrong, but it would be extremely easy for Will Goodge and him team to PROVE that if they put one iota of effort into it.

sorry, thank you dear

He's raising it on gofundme and they're very open and clear they take out expenses and salaries first. None of us know how much then goes on to the charities.

I have no skin in this game. I don't know this Goodge fella or Will Cockerill and I don't really know too much about this Transcon attempt.. is he running crazy fast etc? Don't know and don't really care.

The thing that I do know about is that if the only evidence for claiming this attempt is bogus is an optical-based wrist HR data then you are really on a hiding to nothing. Anyone, and I mean ANYONE who has used both a wrist-based monitor and a proper chest strap HR monitor knows that the wrist-based readings are totally bogus.

I train almost exclusively to HR and so use a chest strap every single run (even races). If the battery fails or it doesn't connect then I know instantly that it's not working. I have done warm up jogs (at 6 mins a km) with an apparent HR of 180 and races (at 3:15 per km) with an apparent HR of 110. There is no rhyme or reason when it comes t wrist-based readings. Sometimes it picks up my cadence, sometimes it's crazy high, sometimes crazy low and yes, occasionally it's correct. But 99% of the time wrist-based readings are nonsense but 99% of the time chest-straps are accurate. This guy is clearly not using a strap strap and so why any stock is being put into this data seems baffling.

If you want to call this guy out as a charlatan then go ahead but you need a heck of a lot more evidence than some bogus HR data.

Wait then... Until it’s all over and money has gone. Just by googling this kid, you see he’s done charity stuff in the past and donates a s**t tonne of money. You’re discrediting everything about him with no knowledge of who he is nor solid evidence.

You come across so bitter and angry like it is personal to you.

Relax.

No. You're wrong. Cadence is the number of steps per minute. Ideal cadence is 180.

Tell me this: why is it that when you check 100 random runs on Strava, that 97-99% of HRs are fine?

And why when I have checked 1,000 profiles, about 995 were fine?

And why have the American Library of Medicine released at report saying wrist based HRs are 98.6 to 98.9% fine?

And why are the rest of WG's monitored runs in his career 99% fine? I haven't found a single anomaly. Someone else has said they've found one.

But why has the data misfired on 37 of his 47 recent runs on these big fund-raising stunts for the last 4 years?

Nobody will ever answer these questions, it's always the same: in your case "wrist-based readings are totally bogus."

This is quite simply a mistruth by you.

If we had a bet, and we took 100 random runs on Strava, and I got paid $50 for every clean reading, and you got paid $400 for every bogus reading, you would be cutting me a check for about $4,000.

And you know it damn well.

To be clear:

No skin in the game: "99% of the time wrist-based readings are nonsense."

American library of medicine: "wrist-based monitors are within a 1.1 to 1.3% accuracy of electrocardiograms."

This is the heart of this row, a differing of opinion by 198%. You guys are saying "tech fail", I'm saying he's not running it properly, and is employing an identical method to the one he first used on August 20, 2019.

Obviously I will and never can win on here.

Bye for now. If you see me on here again, shoot me.

Only if you have no idea of what numbers are actually recorded. The cadence data in the Strava downloads are cadence like full revolutions in the 80-90 range, not 180 spm. This is why you don't use Strava graphs.

I want this thread to be made into a Hollywood drama. Got the title ready: "Battle of Wills".

The way it's supposed to be dude. You've got this wrong. It looks like numerically, whichever watch he's using there is an average cadence of about 160 or less.

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I seem to remember you writing fairly lengthy paragraphs about people reacting negatively to criticism? And how its an indicator of distrust and shows they are wrong.

You must practice what you preach sir!

Also...that blurb from NuCalm... what a load of bullcrap! Theta waves my ass. Been around for 33 years but no elite or college athletes use it. Is this what the phrase "LOL" was invented for?

WillC has a very valid point with the HR data, it makes zero sense and it can’t be ignored. I agree wrist and even strap can be flakey but it would never present in this manner. Anyway, boots on the ground is the way to go. Four people over 2 weekend days to cover his 4 runs and witness his implosion. If I lived stateside I’d be rocking up for a 50 mile day over the weekend.

Side note, why are there so many uk runnner fraudsters out there? David Reading was another classic w&nkhole. Seems they learn their scamcraft doing LEJOG/JOGLE.

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ANALYSIS OF DAVE READING'S FAILED LEJOG ATTEMPT - MarathonInvestigation

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Dave Reading's LEJOG attempt came under scrutiny before it even began. I take a look into his past results, and analyze newly shared GPS data.

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The Strava graphs I’m seeing show his cadence at 170-180 when running but also significant chunks of 120-130 which generally coincides with a drop in pace and HR so possibly walking breaks.

Interestingly, his Garmin Connect data shows stride length too. This is generally very short 85cm to 95cm when he is travelling slower than 6:30min/km pace and doesn’t change when his cadence drops to 120-130 and pace slows to 9:00min/km pace. His stride length only differs when his pace increases to 5:30min/km and it gets towards 110cm per stride which hasn’t happened very often.

I think a lot of the comments getting hung up on heart rate are missing other crucial points that make this a very shady effort.

Day 15 finish and Day 16 start are approximately 3 miles apart. His crew says he touches something at day end and start but have provided no evidence of this. The only explanation we've been given by his supporters is either GPS didn't lock or he was looking for a good sunset viewing point.

His Day 10 split run approach to Flagstaff is just incredible. Totally ignoring heart rate, he's logging 8-10 minute miles at 6000ft and climbing in a 50 mile day. Even walking at the end at 20 minute miles, that's still logging what is average walking speed at sea level. At altitude, after that length of day, in the heat? insane times. Compare this to his marathons, where after 20 miles he's regularly slowed from 7mm to 8+mm it can't just be brushed off as increased fittness or mental toughness. LA 19 March marathon being a clear example.

Why have a crew of quality ultra runners but then don't get paced for more than a few miles a day? Why is his crew not uploading the running they are doing? But just uploading manual runs.

How is there so little discrepancy between average paces? For example: Day 6, 12:15 avg, 1000 ft, Day 7, 13:25 avg but with 4000 ft elevation gain. Day 8, 13:15 avg but 2800 ft of elevation. That is not a big difference in pace for massive differences in terrain.

Finally, why was the heart rate so bizarrely low when far fewer people were paying attention to this event, but now there is scrutiny it is at a much more normal level expected for such an event? New watch, reset systems, strap perhaps? You would think they would tell us.

Of course, none of these points disproves the event. Maybe he is just an incredibly average marathon and UK race ultra runner but complete beast at multi day events.