THE commentator? The one and only? Please give a link to this commentator (you can't, I know...).
Spelling and pronunciation of a name of some runner is not important to the question how fast another runner can run over some specific distance, that's right.
It's just another small point to show how nonsensical you often act.
See your last comment when I clarified a mistake I did.
You didn't read the post by a commenter above who included a Youtube link to the Tokyo race. But I am really not interested in your silly little egoistic contests.
I am not discussing a 12.45 guy. Nor am I going to write an essay here about doping for someone who has likely done little to inform themselves about it. But hang on to your indignation, by all means. It is the typical response when the subject is raised.
Just write how it is. You speculate that someone is doping, because.... that is something you think.
Where is your scientific base for proving someone is doping, if they can't run 800m faster than 1:48 in a tough windy race, but then do run 3:46 mile under perfect conditions?
If you are interested in the science of doping you should read up about it.
You didn't read the post by a commenter above who included a Youtube link to the Tokyo race. But I am really not interested in your silly little egoistic contests.
I have discussed Jakob but I certainly wouldn't say doping is confined to only one athlete - if he is doped. But a red flag for doping is stamina way above the norm, even for top athletes.
I suppose Bolt was clean as it appeared he lacked “stamina way above the norm.”
You really seem intent on trying to set some kind of record here. But it isn't an enviable one.
Yes, it isn't his distance. An 800m is not Jakobs distance either. 1:48 is plenty for 3:28, if the guy can run 12:45 in 5000m too. Mo Farah ran 3:28 with 13s / 100m top-speed.
I would suggest 1.48 is only plenty for a 3.28 runner if they are doped to the gills.
I love how you can be accused for doping by NOT performing to a high standard.
Hopefully the next 1500m phenom has spent their teenage years as a 800m runner to get to a satisfactory level. Maybe they should do a season where they focus on the 800. If they are a 1500/5000 runner maybe they should do both, just to make sure!
By the way, you have called everyone in this thread "stupid". We all think our part regarding things like projection etc.. Did you watch 1500m in the olympics? Accepting his loss, Cherry It was graceful and gave J.I a bracelet. Food for thought.
Guys who can run 5000m in 12:45 simply do not run 800m in a competition, if at all, they do it in training, since they're comparably slow. The fact, that Jakob is doing it in an official setting at all is extraordinary, maybe it gives him an extra thrill or extra competition experience.
Armstronglivs, name anyone who did run 800m under 1:50 and also has 5000m PB better than 12:50.
Farah PBs are 1:48 in 800m and 12:53 in 5000m, but not in the same season, similarly to Lagat. Choge was a 1:44 800m guy but ran 5000m in "only" 13:00. Chelimo was a 13:21 guy in 2012 and ran 1:54 800m.
I think your definition of "fast/not fast" is hillarious, wrong and quite frankly quite stupid. An 800m sprinter can be "not fast" for a 400m, a 400m runner can be "not fast" for a 100/200m runner etc etc.
Ingebrigtsen is certainly fast in a 1500m and in a 5000m runner, and I don't struggle so much with the concept, even though you evidently do. Maybe you and the sprinters of the past should stop focusing on being fast in the 800 (and 400 and 200 and 100) and more on being fast in the 1500.
As I said much earlier in the thread, Jakob's few performances over the 800m suggest he is much slower in terms of basic speed than many previous top 1500/milers. You have done nothing to dispel that but say he is fast over the 1500. That isn't disputed. The question is how are runners like him able to do that off a relatively low speed base when their predecessors couldn't.
Maybe his predecessors should have focused more on 1500m and less on peaking for 800m to impress Armstronglivs.
Then why did you bother to cite the performance - since it tends to support my argument?
On several occasions in this thread I wrote, JI has run just two times the 800m in four seasons. I just realised THIS WAS WRONG. Don't you get this? I clarified it because it was wrong. Regardless which argument is supported by the clarification. Something obviously unheard for you.
If I found that JI has run a (for what ever reason not publicly known) 1:42, do you think I would hide it to "support" something? I'm not writing a single word just to support "my argument". I'm only interested in the truth.
Btw, this 1:48 at the Norwegian Champs (hardly a time trial) doesn't "support" any argument in this issue at all.
You are good at admitting error in what is irrelevant. It doesn't matter exactly how many times he has run. It is the times he has run. You may have had no reason for referring to his 1.48 race but it does tend to back my view, though you are unable to see or acknowledge that. What if he ran 1.58? That would mean nothing, either?
As I said much earlier in the thread, Jakob's few performances over the 800m suggest he is much slower in terms of basic speed than many previous top 1500/milers. You have done nothing to dispel that but say he is fast over the 1500. That isn't disputed. The question is how are runners like him able to do that off a relatively low speed base when their predecessors couldn't.
Maybe his predecessors should have focused more on 1500m and less on peaking for 800m to impress Armstronglivs.
You are determined to out-do yourself. The only one who is impressed is you.
Just to clear up some stuff as I understand many/all haven't got the context of J.I last 800m race. The meet is called Trond Mohn Games, and has its name after Trond Mohn. He is a local billionaire (yes with a B, and yes even in dollars) that is a philantropist that has donated large sums to medical research, sports and organizations all over the country. He is closing in on having donated somewhere between 0.5 and 1 billion (yes with a B, yes in dollars).
So this meeting is one of his small projects. In interviews J.I said that "they wanted me here" and "it fit to schedule", for me at least this indicates some $$$ to put a big name on the rooster. It also sounds like something J.I could spend his afternoon doing (he could fly there in ca 40 mins) to earn some money, without even interrupting that days trainings. Only idiots would use the time he ran as a basis for anything.
Ps: Mohn may even fly in Cherry-it for a 800m run off just to settle once and for all who is the legitimate 1500 king next year. Or not. Lets hope not. Maybe rather a 10.000 to make sure all have the acceptable stamina for 1500m runners!
Guys who can run 5000m in 12:45 simply do not run 800m in a competition, if at all, they do it in training, since they're comparably slow. The fact, that Jakob is doing it in an official setting at all is extraordinary, maybe it gives him an extra thrill or extra competition experience.
Armstronglivs, name anyone who did run 800m under 1:50 and also has 5000m PB better than 12:50.
Farah PBs are 1:48 in 800m and 12:53 in 5000m, but not in the same season, similarly to Lagat. Choge was a 1:44 800m guy but ran 5000m in "only" 13:00. Chelimo was a 13:21 guy in 2012 and ran 1:54 800m.
You seem to be mounting an argument for the ubiquity of doping.
Maybe his predecessors should have focused more on 1500m and less on peaking for 800m to impress Armstronglivs.
You are determined to out-do yourself. The only one who is impressed is you.
Every time you meet an argument that shows how wrong you are, this is how you answer, lol. Quite evident when reading the last pages. Lets just hope these poor kids do their 200m repeats unless they will become dopers!
