Russian doping was state sponsored and highly organized. It's also felt that like some of the Chinese females distance runners from the 90s and eastern bloc female doping decades early, it was "mandatory".
Ah, yes, the old white people trope that it's all the evil Russians and Chinese doping but not white Americans.
Ah yes, that old strawman argument that people are wrong because they say only Russian/Chinese are dopers and US athletes are clean. There's nothing in my words that affect. C'mon dude, work on your debating skills, it's just no fun replying to such feckless logic.
If you can't see the difference between state sponsored doping and an individuals decision to dope, then there's no point in a discussion. Russia was banned from the Olympics because of their actions, was USA? The whistle blowers risked their lives and their families lives to expose the Russian doping, complete with documents and videos. They escaped to America for safety. You're disregarding facts, and the dedication and bravery of those concerned with clean sport.
furthermore,it seems that TUE should be a case -by case, athlete by athlete, explanation by explanation Therapeutic Use Exception...not a full exemption for any athlete for an indefinite period of time, as is happening now in sport.
this exception would have to be provided by licensed medical doctors who have clearance to have the confidential information and would provide a cleared or not cleared...much like an employment physical exam or drug test.
That's exactly how the TUE process is - it's case by case, with the athlete's doctor submitting documentation to support, which is then reviewed by USADA.
A "full exemption for any athlete for an indefinite period of time" is not a TUE. That's an allowed medication.
Ah, yes, the old white people trope that it's all the evil Russians and Chinese doping but not white Americans.
Ah yes, that old strawman argument that people are wrong because they say only Russian/Chinese are dopers and US athletes are clean. There's nothing in my words that affect. C'mon dude, work on your debating skills, it's just no fun replying to such feckless logic.
If you can't see the difference between state sponsored doping and an individuals decision to dope, then there's no point in a discussion. Russia was banned from the Olympics because of their actions, was USA? The whistle blowers risked their lives and their families lives to expose the Russian doping, complete with documents and videos. They escaped to America for safety. You're disregarding facts, and the dedication and bravery of those concerned with clean sport.
So that's why "clean" American athletes are always beating the doped up Russians and Chinese.
It saddens me that so many on the website I love (Letsrun) respond to someone’s mental health issues this way. I hope Molly continues to find help with her mental health struggles in a way that also allows her to compete.
That's because claiming "mental health" is just another excuse to dope with PEDs. Is it any wonder that most elite American athletes claim some form of asthma, thyroid problem, ADHD, or need for corticosteroids injections? They are more doped up than the Russians but we just whitewash it.
How would you feel if someone said this about your daughter?
That's because claiming "mental health" is just another excuse to dope with PEDs. Is it any wonder that most elite American athletes claim some form of asthma, thyroid problem, ADHD, or need for corticosteroids injections? They are more doped up than the Russians but we just whitewash it.
How would you feel if someone said this about your daughter?
Thank you for this bit - What is wrong with you people who are immediately accusing Seidel of being a doper, being a liar, being a cheat? Show me your hard evidence, since clearly you're so knowledgeable and must be personally building a case for WADA.
I will agree that blind hero worship of athletes is wrong. While by no means do I think we should be naive, we don't have all the facts of her situation and the last time that I checked in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty by the facts. It's one thing to say that you think we should have more information on the situation or that we should verify all claims regarding the truth of any needs and effects of any drugs in each case. It is a wholly other thing to start accusing someone of cheating their way to the top of their profession and insulting their character.
How would you feel if someone said this about your daughter?
Thank you for this bit - What is wrong with you people who are immediately accusing Seidel of being a doper, being a liar, being a cheat? Show me your hard evidence, since clearly you're so knowledgeable and must be personally building a case for WADA.
I will agree that blind hero worship of athletes is wrong. While by no means do I think we should be naive, we don't have all the facts of her situation and the last time that I checked in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty by the facts. It's one thing to say that you think we should have more information on the situation or that we should verify all claims regarding the truth of any needs and effects of any drugs in each case. It is a wholly other thing to start accusing someone of cheating their way to the top of their profession and insulting their character.
For me, it's not about Seidel.
It's about my not supporting a TUE for Adderall because it's an amphetamine.
I don't soften my approach or standards for females nor do i tighten them for males.
I'm not calling Seidel a cheater, but I am opining that obtaining a TUE for Adderall is cheating.
Those of us who have followed the sport for more than a minute have seen this movie before.
Molly’s behavior over recent years is a little off and suggests affective instability and a certain flexibility with the truth. She has frequently been the source of controversy here and has been linked to a number of weird episodes and stories that don’t really pass the sniff test.
If she engages in attention-seeking through {social} media and lies about small things, then what is she capable of doing for the big prize? You’d be surprised what people can justify under those circumstances.
She has already been good and lucky at the right moment and far outperformed any reasonable expectation of her career. That is not enough to make her happy and it will never be. I hope she gets help for whatever is really bothering with her. I really don’t care if she never runs another race. Unlike her followers, I care more about her as a person than as a performer.
Have you ever taken adderall consistently? It's absolutely NOT a performance enhancer - I feel totally breathless and like my heart is pounding outside of my chest when I run on it and the days after. It's a very similar feeling to cocaine heart. I seriously doubt she could continue to perform at a high level while taking this. Don't even get me started on the lack of sleep she's about to get lol
I’m with you. Was prescribed it once and couldn’t sleep, heart jumped out of my chest and thought I was going to die when running.
I would avoid this stuff like the plague. It is an awful drug.
this is a typical physiological response for those who do not actually have ADHD and/or have been prescribed too high of a dose.
5mg in the AM and another 5mg at lunch keeps me calm as a bomb. i sleep way better too. don't notice a difference in my workouts.
appetite is slightly suppressed though, and fork control is prob the most difficult part of being an elite runner, sooooo.... i'd say addy helps ADHD types fit into a non-ADHD world in a very real and meaningful way, but it is definitely a huge potential advantage when used in low dosages by endurance athletes.
This TUE is BS. She's got through Notre Dame without Adderall but needs it now???? Total BS.
It sounds like she's always had something. I've heard her talk about her childhood and how she got into running. She loved to run in the woods behind her house because she couldn't focus otherwise. Like it burned off some mental energy so her mind wasn't all over the place. I think she was talking of when she was 10.
And she got an eating disorder in college and couldn't tell regular running pain from having a stress fracture or broken bone. Just from a casual observer with no medical background, this seems obsessive compulsive, which often goes hand in hand with ADHD.
I trust she knows what she needs, as well as trusting she's not a CHEATER. People think everyone has ADHD until they have a close friend or child who actually has it.
Maybe it’s just me, but I prefer some damning evidence to accompany my accusations
Ok, I’ll bite. How do you explain the story of her meeting a guy that was mansplaining her own training to her. Have you ever heard what really happened there?
Maybe it’s just me, but I prefer some damning evidence to accompany my accusations
Ok, I’ll bite. How do you explain the story of her meeting a guy that was mansplaining her own training to her. Have you ever heard what really happened there?
I’ve only heard the version as told by Seidel herself. If there’s another version you’re referencing that you can provide a source for, certainly open to hear the argument. Not sure I consider that an “accusation” since iirc she doesn’t call the guy out by name of any defining characteristics, does she? I could be mistaken though, I admit. At the end of the day I suppose that comes down to whether or not you consider Seidel to be, at her core, a liar. I like to think someone is truthful until proven to be lying.
What's interesting about adderall is it made baseball player Chris Davis l$161 million (over 7 y ears).. When he was on it, he was AMAZING, but then he got popped for Adderall and couldn't get a TUE for it. He ended up being one of the worst players in the history of baseball .
What I don't get is why they wouldn't give him the TUE for it. Clearly if he was that much better at baseball on it than not, couldn't you argue his brain needed it? I just kind of feel like you should either allow it for all or none.
Seriously rojo??? Then why not let anyone and everyone take any and every substance man can create? Oprah: "You get EPO, you get Nandolone, you get THG." Chris Davis was suspended for using Adderall while without a TUE because he didn't apply for another TUE, like he previously had. Eventually MLB granted him a TUE for a different ADHD drug, one that was a slower-releasing stimulant.
"Both Adderall and Vyvanse are intended to treat ADHD symptoms, but the efficacy of each dose of Adderall lasts between three to five hours, so multiple daily doses often are required. Because Adderall is a fast-acting stimulant, it is more likely to be abused for recreational or performance-enhancing purposes, Goodman said.
"When Chris Davis is taking his Vyvanse, he's taking it to treat a medical condition," said Goodman, who has not treated Davis.
"One has to make a distinction between performance-enhancement drugs and medication used to treat medical illnesses. ADHD is a psychiatric condition for which medication serves to reduce symptoms and increase daily functioning. That's in contrast to not having any disorder and taking a stimulant medication because you want to have an edge."
The new medication for attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder that Orioles first baseman Chris Davis has been approved to take this season is unlikely to be abused by players seeking an on-field edge, according to a medical...
He stunk for the most part the last 7-yearas of his career (especially for the last 4 yrs), most likely because he had put in the work, benefited from Adderall, and had secured a guaranteed $161 Million contract, motivation gone. Go thru motions, get paid, retire.
In a split-second I would trade every day of my life that I've taken Adderall, for a life in which I didn't need it. ADD/ADHD and mental health disorders come in many different forms and impact people in may different ways. Some days I can't get out of bed without Adderall. My brain runs faster than Usain Bolt, overwhelming me and exhausting my body and making life and running extremely difficult. This leads me to need the medication to focus, and to help me get up and accomplish things. Brain chemistry, genetics, psychology, we still have so much to learn about these complicated areas of science and human life.
My argument isn't that TUE's should be handed out for Adderall like candy on Halloween. No, requests/applications for use should be followed up with thorough investigations. They should be handed out on a limited, case by case basis. Every action should be taken to allow the use of it for those that definitely need it, but on a limited use immediately before competition. A rigorous examination should occur, with consistent evaluation and documentation of issues and impact of use and lack of, recorded.
Just because it helps one person ( or 5% of population) in one or two or more ways, doesn't mean everyone should be allowed to use it, when it only benefits the remaining 95% of the population in one, distinct manner: performance-enhancement.
Everyone I've met who used adderall was a serious drug adict. They were abusing other drugs and were usually alcoholics. Hopefully she actually needs it, but this is a dangerous road she's going down.
How many people have you met that take it? Are most people, your friends and acquaintances openly offering to tell you what medications they take? Not a dangerous road if she's already under USADA testing and she' publicly disclosing it. Very small chance she's headed down road toward addiction.
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